KG to Pistons?
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Bad Boy Bo
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Vlad said:
I agree. I don't even see that scenario with Bibby and KG working all that well.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
But it puts you right ojn the brink, and unlike Cassel, Bibby's got YEARS ahead fo him. Bonzi is also there to be Spree, in mor ways than one. And all of a sudden you are an elite WCF type team that is literally one player away. And because your main guys are all in their prime you are going to be right there for the next 5 years or so knocking on the door. Hard to beat that kind of situation.Vlad said:
Vlad
Bench
Bricklayer said:
Even with Garnett, Bibby, and Wells, who do we put at the 2 other positions (SF, PF/C). Thomas and Skinner? And who comes off the bench? Evans and Hart? I think we are still behind the following teams (in no particular order)
Detroit (Wallace, Wallace, Prince, Hamilton, Billups)
Indiana (O'Neal, Artest, Jackson, Tinsley, deep bench)
San Antonio (Duncan, Parker, Ginobili)
Phoenix (Nash, Stoudamire, Marion, and Johnson, if he stays)
We'd probably be on the Dallas/Houston/New Jersey level(assuming the SAR deal works out). I'm not saying it wouldn't be an improvement, just not that much of one. Plus, Minnesota would never ever do it.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Vlad said:
You are ignoring the very recent Cassel/KG history. That was a 58 win team. A WCF team. Soemthing that the Kings have managed to pull off exactly once in their entire Sacramento existence. And the KG/Bibby/Bonzi combo is EVERY bit as good as KG/Cassel/Spree, and a hell of a lot younger. As I mentioned, you are then one piece away. One. You are knocking on the door. One good trade, one wise use of the MLE, and you're home. And you've got 4-5 years to pull it off. In the meantime you've got the league's leading rebounder, best passing big man, and first team all defense member to completely anchor you and cover a host of your sins, and a very good GM to find that one extra piece.
captain bill
All-Star
Anyone who would say no to trading Peja/Miller or any other combo of 2 of the 3 is nuts. End of story. Even if they don't win it all straightaway, you've still got to be comatose to say no.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Bricklayer said:
KG at 35 may be an ugly thing. That guy has a LOT of mileage on that body of his. I do agree that it would be a good team for the next 3 years for sure.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Lot of wear and tear, and yet Mailmanesque durability. Given his build and the fact he does in fact jump, in some ways perhaps even more remarkable. His games played in the last 6 years: 81, 81, 81, 82, 82, 82. Amazing. That alone probably means we have no interest in trading for him though.SacTownKid said:
AleksandarN
Starter
This is interesting does this mean Darko may be on the trading block? Because the last month it sounded like from the other articles and his contract extention ment that he was staying in Detriot.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/0508/07/C01-272255.htm
Dumars denounces Garnett rumor
The two Wallaces and two first-round picks to Minnesota? He says it isn't so.
By Dave Dye / The Detroit News
Garnett
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Trading Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace?
Say it ain't so, Joe.
Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president, did just that.
Dumars squelched a wild rumor that the Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves have discussed a possible deal that would include sending Kevin Garnett to Detroit for Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and two first-round draft picks.
A column by Bill Harris in Friday's Toronto Sun created quite a stir among Detroit basketball fans the last couple of days. Harris attributed the rumor to an unidentified "NBA source."
But Dumars said any rumors involving the Pistons' seven core players -- Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Richard Hamilton, Chauncey Billups, Tayshaun Prince, Antonio McDyess and Lindsey Hunter -- should be disregarded.
Dumars said he has no intention of breaking up the nucleus of a team that has reached the NBA Finals the last two seasons.
He also said he has not even talked lately with Kevin McHale, the Timberwolves' vice president.
Harris described the blockbuster possibility as "crazy" and "farfetched."
"There certainly is a chance a (rumor) like that got started merely because long-time Minnesota coach Flip Saunders has taken over as coach of the Pistons," Harris wrote.
Garnett, a 6-foot-11 forward, averaged 22.2 points and 13.5 rebounds last season. He is an eight-time NBA All-Star and was the league's Most Valuable Player in 2003-04.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/0508/07/C01-272255.htm
Dumars denounces Garnett rumor
The two Wallaces and two first-round picks to Minnesota? He says it isn't so.
By Dave Dye / The Detroit News
Garnett
Comment on this story Send this story to a friend Get Home Delivery
Trading Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace?
Say it ain't so, Joe.
Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president, did just that.
Dumars squelched a wild rumor that the Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves have discussed a possible deal that would include sending Kevin Garnett to Detroit for Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and two first-round draft picks.
A column by Bill Harris in Friday's Toronto Sun created quite a stir among Detroit basketball fans the last couple of days. Harris attributed the rumor to an unidentified "NBA source."
But Dumars said any rumors involving the Pistons' seven core players -- Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Richard Hamilton, Chauncey Billups, Tayshaun Prince, Antonio McDyess and Lindsey Hunter -- should be disregarded.
Dumars said he has no intention of breaking up the nucleus of a team that has reached the NBA Finals the last two seasons.
He also said he has not even talked lately with Kevin McHale, the Timberwolves' vice president.
Harris described the blockbuster possibility as "crazy" and "farfetched."
"There certainly is a chance a (rumor) like that got started merely because long-time Minnesota coach Flip Saunders has taken over as coach of the Pistons," Harris wrote.
Garnett, a 6-foot-11 forward, averaged 22.2 points and 13.5 rebounds last season. He is an eight-time NBA All-Star and was the league's Most Valuable Player in 2003-04.
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captain bill
All-Star
It hardly means that Darko is on the block, but more like the Pistons are happy standing pat. They would probably entertain offers for Darko, but he certainly won't come cheap. Flip wants to hold on to him and help him grow, but they would probably part with him for some solid contributers that could help get another ring. If he is traded, it will probably be for someone who is already a legit starter.
Vlad
Bench
As Dumars squelched this rumor, Pistons VP Dave Hammond squelched the rumor that Darko was on the block 2 weeks ago. It seems that Hammond is saying that Darko is close to untouchable, but if they get a great deal for him, they might go for it (But Hammond said the bottom line is always the same_the Pistons will do what it takes to make the team better). I believe this was already posted, but to reiterate...
Pistons deny they tried to deal Darko Milicic to Hawks
DETROIT - (KRT) - The Pistons never offered to trade Darko Milicic to the Atlanta Hawks for small forward Al Harrington, despite a report that they did, Pistons vice president John Hammond said Tuesday.
Hammond, the team's vice president of basketball operations, said there was "absolutely no truth" to a report in the New York Daily News that the Pistons tried to deal Milicic after firing Larry Brown as coach.
Brown rarely played Milicic, the No. 2 pick in the 2003 draft, in his two seasons with the Pistons.
Milicic, 20, perhaps got a new lease on life when the team fired Brown and hired Flip Saunders as coach.
Harrington, 25, has played seven seasons in the NBA - the first six at Indiana before averaging 17.5 points and 7.0 rebounds last season at Atlanta.
Milicic averaged 1.8 points, 1.2 rebounds and 6.9 minutes in 37 games last season.
Though teams frequently call inquiring about Milicic, Hammond said, the Pistons did not have any serious talks with the Hawks.
"It's something that is almost ongoing," Hammond said of calls about Milicic. "Darko Milicic has a lot of value in this league, and there are a lot of teams that would love to acquire him through a trade. We get trade offers on Darko a lot, especially at times like the trade deadline and during the draft."
At the summer league this month at Las Vegas_his first summer league experience_Milicic averaged 9.8 points and 5.8 rebounds in about 25 minutes per game.
Milicic is now overseas playing for the Serbia-Montenegro national team.
Despite Milicic's lack of playing time and production with the Pistons, Hammond said they see too much potential in him to trade him. Milicic is 7-feet and 245 pounds, with guard-like speed.
"He is an investment of ours," Hammond said.
Hammond said Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president of basketball operations, lumps Milicic along with the starters on an informal untouchable list.
"Joe hates to have an untouchable list," Hammond said. "But people kinda know that if you call for Chauncey Billups or Ben Wallace or any of those guys, people in the league know they're kind of untouchable.
"Over the course of the last few months, Darko has kind of somewhat been in that category."
But Hammond said the bottom line is always the same_the Pistons will do what it takes to make the team better.
"If there's an opportunity to ever improve our team," Hammond said, "Joe Dumars has shown that he's done that."
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/12229896.htm
Pistons deny they tried to deal Darko Milicic to Hawks
DETROIT - (KRT) - The Pistons never offered to trade Darko Milicic to the Atlanta Hawks for small forward Al Harrington, despite a report that they did, Pistons vice president John Hammond said Tuesday.
Hammond, the team's vice president of basketball operations, said there was "absolutely no truth" to a report in the New York Daily News that the Pistons tried to deal Milicic after firing Larry Brown as coach.
Brown rarely played Milicic, the No. 2 pick in the 2003 draft, in his two seasons with the Pistons.
Milicic, 20, perhaps got a new lease on life when the team fired Brown and hired Flip Saunders as coach.
Harrington, 25, has played seven seasons in the NBA - the first six at Indiana before averaging 17.5 points and 7.0 rebounds last season at Atlanta.
Milicic averaged 1.8 points, 1.2 rebounds and 6.9 minutes in 37 games last season.
Though teams frequently call inquiring about Milicic, Hammond said, the Pistons did not have any serious talks with the Hawks.
"It's something that is almost ongoing," Hammond said of calls about Milicic. "Darko Milicic has a lot of value in this league, and there are a lot of teams that would love to acquire him through a trade. We get trade offers on Darko a lot, especially at times like the trade deadline and during the draft."
At the summer league this month at Las Vegas_his first summer league experience_Milicic averaged 9.8 points and 5.8 rebounds in about 25 minutes per game.
Milicic is now overseas playing for the Serbia-Montenegro national team.
Despite Milicic's lack of playing time and production with the Pistons, Hammond said they see too much potential in him to trade him. Milicic is 7-feet and 245 pounds, with guard-like speed.
"He is an investment of ours," Hammond said.
Hammond said Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president of basketball operations, lumps Milicic along with the starters on an informal untouchable list.
"Joe hates to have an untouchable list," Hammond said. "But people kinda know that if you call for Chauncey Billups or Ben Wallace or any of those guys, people in the league know they're kind of untouchable.
"Over the course of the last few months, Darko has kind of somewhat been in that category."
But Hammond said the bottom line is always the same_the Pistons will do what it takes to make the team better.
"If there's an opportunity to ever improve our team," Hammond said, "Joe Dumars has shown that he's done that."
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/12229896.htm
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BobbyJ_for3!
Bench
KKSloga said:Thats right, I forgot about Bibby's heart as he was torn apart my ridnour, Sam Cassel on a bad back, Steve Nash and Nick Van Exel. Boy I hope Pedja one day has the heart of Bibby!!
being torn apart by people, or whatever case you are making, has no indication of heart.
maybe his first year with the kings was a fluke in the playoffs, along with those game winners sprinkled throughout his kings career.
Maybe not, but I think generally, people are in agreeance taht as far as heart goes, Bibby > Peja.
Anyway, back to the subject...
I agree, KG and Bibby would flourish, but thats not only cause Webb was similar in his prime. Its also because those are two amazing players who are not selfish in any way.
If only it were possible for KG to come here. I'll need some really warm sox for when it happens...hell will have frozen over.
loopymitch
All-Star
I know we're not comparing Bibby's and Peja's heart, there is no comparison!
KKSloga said:Thats right, I forgot about Bibby's heart as he was torn apart my ridnour, Sam Cassel on a bad back, Steve Nash and Nick Van Exel. Boy I hope Pedja one day has the heart of Bibby!!
If we're going to wish for Peja to become like Mike, my wish would be that Peja could grow ...
Oh, never mind.
Kool Keith
G-League
GOT HEART?
Maybe we should have kept Brent Price... he had heart. In fact, we should build an entire team of heart. "Sacramento Kings-o-Hearts". That way even if we lose, we can at least say we tried.
I mean never mind that its intangible.. today its what sets our players apart. Why should it matter how they perform? If they've got heart, they're a stayin!!!
heart (härt)
n.
1.
a) The chambered muscular organ in vertebrates that pumps blood received from the veins into the arteries, thereby maintaining the flow of blood through the entire circulatory system.
b) Postulating that the team is ones own.
Maybe we should have kept Brent Price... he had heart. In fact, we should build an entire team of heart. "Sacramento Kings-o-Hearts". That way even if we lose, we can at least say we tried.
I mean never mind that its intangible.. today its what sets our players apart. Why should it matter how they perform? If they've got heart, they're a stayin!!!
heart (härt)
n.
1.
a) The chambered muscular organ in vertebrates that pumps blood received from the veins into the arteries, thereby maintaining the flow of blood through the entire circulatory system.
b) Postulating that the team is ones own.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Kool Keith said:
c) Having a pair, and pride to go with it. Never taking the easy way out. Fighting and competing because it is who they are and they know no other way.
I suspect without knowing that people who poopoo the notion are people who do not possess it themselves. Because I find it hard to believe anybody who DOES have heart could or would ever underestimate its importance or spend time tolerating or excusing its alck.
Kool Keith
G-League
Bricklayer said:
See if I wrote that I'd get a warning... not that it matters - you may accuse me of having no pride etc but its not relevant to the topic at hand.
Im talking about the notion and its relation to sport. I wont be baited into a slanging match with a moderator.
You say Im underestimating it....... I say certain people are OVERESTIMATING it and to the point that it can excuse anything.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Kool Keith said:
It is difficult to OVERestimate its impact, because in the end it can be the x factor that makes some people winners, and other losers. It made Jordan what he was. It made the Pistons what they are. Wanting it more and refusing to surrender are some of the very best traits any athlete can have in any sport, and make for the most inspirational sporting memories. People who fail to recognize the importance of that factor doubtless find themselves constantly mystified as to why their putatively more talented teams and heroes never seem to win anything.
mr. moustache
Bench
Bricklayer said:
Reminds me of accusing people who question our government's authority with a lack of patriotism. blech.
KingsPride
G-League
I think sending KG there will actually destory the team's chemistry. Billups was paired up with KG for a few seasons in Minny and the T-Wolves could not accomplish a thing at the time.
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thesanityannex
Guest
I find it really hard to believe someone (Peja) can make it to the NBA without having "heart". No one makes it to this league without heart and determination, bottom line. Everyone in the NBA is a competitor as well, some show it more than others, and some do it more than others. Unfortunately, Peja isn't in the latter, but he competes none the less.Bricklayer said:
