KG to Pistons?
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bigbadred00
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piksi said:
It's called Chemistry. The team had none of it. I don't know if it can all be blamed on KG, I think Sammy (injured most of the year) and Spree didn't really help with team chemistry. You can have all the talent in the world on a team but if the team doesn't jell they aren't going to win, especially with injuries and teammates (numerous) arguing over playing time. I think the problem is they had too many marginal players to go along with KG and noone with any real help. Honestly they had KG, Cassell, Hudson, Wally, Spree, Kandi, Madsen, Hassell, Griffin, Carter all fighting for 15+ mins, the team just didn't work out. The year before they didn't have so many options nor the headaches that came with Cassell and Spree. But this year, along with having too many players these headcases overwhelmed the team.
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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Yoda said:
When KG joins the pistons it is no longer a team . A bunch of players nobody anted to start for them coming together and winning a title... take away Sheed and Ben and add KG and all of a sudden its KG's team. Overall defense isnt as good. I just dont think they would go anywhere with KG instead of the Wallaces.
BobbyJ_for3!
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Stupid KG trade rumors.
Tell me when he gets traded, or maybe when Minny's GM publically says anything about it happening.
Tell me when he gets traded, or maybe when Minny's GM publically says anything about it happening.
captain bill
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Is the Toronto Sun really the leading authority on the happenings of the TWolves and Pistons? I'll take some salt with this one.
2 words: Flip Saunders. Probably had a good time in Minny with KG and would love to have him back, and could work him in well. Detroit will probably add more depth this offseason, and Billups/Hamilton/Prince/Garnett looks pretty damn good already, and McDyess could round out the starting 5. That team would be absolutely deadly, and since KG can bring many skills rolled up in one, I see no reason this could hurt the Pistons. I guarantee you if this trade went down, as these teams stand Detroit would still be a contender and Minny would miss the playoffs. Anyone who doesn't think Garnett is one of the 2 or 3 best players in the world doesn't know basketball. Yeah, the Wallaces got rings and made for good sports talk fodder, but that in no way makes them comparable to KG.
2 words: Flip Saunders. Probably had a good time in Minny with KG and would love to have him back, and could work him in well. Detroit will probably add more depth this offseason, and Billups/Hamilton/Prince/Garnett looks pretty damn good already, and McDyess could round out the starting 5. That team would be absolutely deadly, and since KG can bring many skills rolled up in one, I see no reason this could hurt the Pistons. I guarantee you if this trade went down, as these teams stand Detroit would still be a contender and Minny would miss the playoffs. Anyone who doesn't think Garnett is one of the 2 or 3 best players in the world doesn't know basketball. Yeah, the Wallaces got rings and made for good sports talk fodder, but that in no way makes them comparable to KG.
captain bill
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AriesMar27 said:
um...who is trading Webber here? I thought he was a Sixer, not a Twolve or Piston.
SacTownKid
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Yoda said:
Well, no. But the Pistons with the two Wallaces is better than the Pistons with no Wallaces and a KG. I would bank on that. The Pistons are good b/c they are a team. Simple as that.
AleksandarN
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If they do this trade they must really think Darko can step up big time because he will end up being the starting center if this trade went down. I highly doubt it though because I do not think Joe Dumars would gamble like that.
SoupIsGood
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That would be a bad trade for Detroit.
Bricklayer
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PFFFT!! said:
I've been proposing two of our big three for a while now. If Detroit has really had discussions about the two Wallaces, we SHOULD try to get our asses into that discussion as well. The true superstar is the rarest breed in the NBA. You can go decades as a franchise without seeing one. If one is on the market for a couple of lesser players, history has shown the team picking up the superstar is normally the one that goes laughing to the bank.
And from Detroit's perspective, hard as it is to see them moving Big Ben, this would be the ultimate move to show confidence in Darko, as amusing a concept as that might seem. And yes, of COURSE they are back in the playoffs next year -- that's ridiculous. They were a 50 win team before Prince was anything and before Sheed arrived. And if Darko blossoms, they become more than just scary.
nbrans
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Bricklayer said:
That's very true. Tracy McGrady>Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley; Shaq>Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant;
Although it's ironic that one of the exceptions to this rule just happens to be one of the principles in this potential trade. Detroit got the better end of the Grant Hill trade when they picked up Ben Wallace, even though he was cnosidered a lesser player at the time.
captain bill
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Here's something to consider ripping KG for not making the playoffs: in the prior year, with the exact same team, they made the WCF. The next year, KG again has a monster year and wills his team to coming close to the playoffs. Spree did a disappearing act, practically retired on the court. Cassell also collapsed and was injured for stretches. Same for Wally. KG played his heart out and managed to get that team close. It's difficult to question his talent when with the same supporting cast he got close to the finals. Something else was going on with that team, to say otherwise is foolish.
As for us getting KG, I'd prefer parting with Peja and Mike. Pairing up Brad and KG would be scary, and they could practically run the team themselves. Add in Bonzi to that mix, along with our young guys filling out and maybe a FA, that team can do things.
As for us getting KG, I'd prefer parting with Peja and Mike. Pairing up Brad and KG would be scary, and they could practically run the team themselves. Add in Bonzi to that mix, along with our young guys filling out and maybe a FA, that team can do things.
captain bill
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Maybe, but I get the feeling Minny would ask for Mike and Brad. Hmm. Peja and Garnett, duo for the ages?
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ONEZERO
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when is garnett a free agent?
Bricklayer
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Think that's the weakest of the three possible pairings, but it does of course recreate the Webber/Peja dynamic.captain bill said:
D-Mass
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captain bill said:
I agree that they would want Brad and Mike. Their point guards have been plagued with injuries, inconsistency, and chemistry problems. I think they'd love to get a big guy and a point guard they can trust and rely on. The one thing we would have on our side is Rasheed Wallace. I think teams are still weary to take him on. Plus, if they end up keeping Latrell...boy, can you imagine that pair on the same team?
Padrino
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D-Mass said:
tough to say. what does minny want? also tough to say. would they want a purely defensive PF who can double as a C, and a troublesome PF who shows flashes of brilliance offensively, is capable defensively, but shoots his mouth off more than cassel and sprewell could ever hope to do? or would they want a very capable floor leader, scoring PG, and clutch performer, albeit pathetic defensive presence, in mike bibby? maybe packaged with the versatile brad miller? maybe either of those packaged with the brilliant spot shooting peja stojakovic? it really is tough to say. there's positives to what either team could present to the t-wolves, but there's negatives as well. KG is the ENTIRE PACKAGE. there's no way the t-wolves would get that back in any trade for KG. so, do they want to make up for the loss of his defensive presence, or for the loss of his offensive force and prowess? cuz thats essentially what each team (sacto and detroit, excluding all other possible scenarios with other teams) could give the t-wolves, respectively, in return for their incredibly talented superstar.
i, personally, would like a peja/miller for KG scenario. peja/bibby, if peja/miller doesnt work. but i'd hate to drop a miller/bibby combo to get KG. i'd do it in a heartbeat, but i'd hate to lose both bibby and miller, each of which basically runs the kings offense now that vlade, webber, and christie are all gone. of course, no matter how ya look at it, the situation would involve rebuilding the team from the ground up, and around KG. so, that said, i would trade whatever it took to get him, except all 3 of the big 3, which would be a multi-player trade from both ends, anyways, to match salaries. any other trade combination would be satisfactory, imo. superstars like KG come once in a blue moon. i've said before, you draft guys like KG, you do not trade them. so, if one becomes available, you better be doin yer damned best to pursue him with everything ya got. thats my opinion, but i'm sticking to it.
the only other thing i should like to mention is that, if KG is really being shopped (HIGHLY unlikely, one would think), then there's gonna be a lotta phone calls from a lotta GM's around the league asking a variation of the EXACT same question: "what would it take for you to trade kevin garnett to us?" do the kings have the necessary pieces to compete with all the other teams who could possibly present minny with a better offer than two of our core, or wallace and wallace? i dont really know. the offseason is gonna get a lot more interesting if reports are true, and KG is being shopped. unless, of course, minny is hell-bent on a wallace/wallace for KG trade, which i think is a bad move. ben wallace is a force to be reckoned with, defensively, but he's only so much better than KG in that area, and he completely lacks an offensive game. as for rasheed wallace, well...he's highly overrated. he occasionally looks inspired, but most of the time he too busy arguing, rather profusely, with the refs. his penchant for in-game distraction is a serious downside, imo. KG, a SUPERSTAR, is too valuable to give up for a lesser star and a role player (which is what rasheed wallace is. he's hardly a dominant force in the nba).
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captain bill
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D-Mass said:
The same could be said of Sheed and Bonzi. And what a disaster they were in Portland.
Then again, Spree is pretty much done as an impact player in the NBA. I would bet just about anything that he will not return to Minny next year.
Kev.in
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Daniela said:
Trust me, they'd make the playoffs. Let's not get ridiculous here. The trade might not work out, but it's not going to ruin them.
Now, as for what they'd be thinking, it's pretty simple. Trading the Wallaces for KG opens up a bunch of minutes for another big man, you have to figure that'd be Darko. People have varying opinions on Darko's skill level and abilities but Detroit would be thinking that he'll turn into quite a player and that this lineup:
F - KG
F - Prince
C - Darko (or McDyess f they want to play it safe at first)
G - Hamilton
G - Billups
would be better than:
F - Sheed
F - Prince
C - Wallace
G - Hamilton
G - Billups
You also have to consider that Ben Wallace's contract is up next summer. Giving him a big extension at his age and with Darko still on the bench might not seem so appealing when they sit down and plan out the next 5 years. Letting him walk is not an option and neither is dealing him in the middle of the season. If they're going to get something for Big Ben and set it up for Darko to develop, now is the time.
Keep in mind that KG, Cassell and Spree led a team to the WCF the other year and that was without much contribution from Wally and with Ervin Johnson and Olowokandi at center.
Padrino
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Bricklayer said:
i think its the strongest of the pairings, actually. mostly because i dont think minnesota is gonna be in dire need of a one-dimensional spot up shooter (albeit a very good one) after trading their very dominant superstar. they do need a proper floor runner and consistent PG. bibby fits that profile. and the C position would become very important for the t-wolves after trading away garnett. miller is obviously no where near as physical or dominant as garnett, but he would replace some of those offensive attributes that garnett also posesses. namely, shooting and passing from the big man position. fred hoiberg is plenty capable of acting as their go-to guy form the outside, and at a much cheaper rate than peja's will become. and mike bibby is no push-over from the outside, either. especially in crunch time.
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ONEZERO
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Padrino said:
i think u got the wrong idea of bricks post... he was saying that if we had to trade 2 core players and we were left with peja , then kg and peja on the "kings" would be the weakest pairing, as opposed to bibby/kg or miller/kg.
Bricklayer
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Padrino said:
Weakest for us, not for Minnesota. We're better off with a Bibby/Garnett pairing (ala Cassel/Garnett) or a Miller/Garnett pairing (Webb/Vlade), and those pairs also come far cheaper as well.
Padrino
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Bricklayer said:
oh. haha. it was so obvious, i took it the wrong way. yeah, then i agree with you, brick. of all 3 pairings, its probably the weakest, though all of them have their advantages. KG/miller is a great big man duo. KG can keep up with any PF in the league, and he dominants all centers in the league not named tim duncan and shaquille oneill. mostly its cuz of KG's speed and ferocity. KG/miller is like a more talented divac/webber. and i think everyone agrees that pairing mike bibby with kevin garnett is ace, and could only yield western conference finals-esque results. KG/peja aint bad, either, because then peja wouldnt really need to expand his game. KG rebounds enough for any 3 kings, and his post presence alone would increase peja's open shots from outside. KG with any of those 3 is reason to get excitied.
i cant wait til the kings get him.
