Jose Calderon

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If he gets amnestied, should we bid on him? I know our backcourt is crowded, but to have a true pass-first facilitator like that? It could do a lot for this team's development.
 
Thomas played well for us last year, and I don't see any reason to try and replace him unless someone significantly better is available. While I haven't seen Calderon play in the last few years, the numbers suggest that he was only marginally better than Thomas last year.

You also have to consider that at 23 Thomas likely hasn't reached his full potential as a play-maker. Calderon, meanwhile, turns 31 this year and will start declining sooner rather than later.
 
dmj said:
Thomas played well for us last year, and I don't see any reason to try and replace him unless someone significantly better is available. While I haven't seen Calderon play in the last few years, the numbers suggest that he was only marginally better than Thomas last year.

You also have to consider that at 23 Thomas likely hasn't reached his full potential as a play-maker. Calderon, meanwhile, turns 31 this year and will start declining sooner rather than later.
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The experience would actually be an argument for Calderon, not that I think he's what we need either. He's kind of an empty stat PG.
 
dmj said:
Thomas played well for us last year, and I don't see any reason to try and replace him unless someone significantly better is available. While I haven't seen Calderon play in the last few years, the numbers suggest that he was only marginally better than Thomas last year.

You also have to consider that at 23 Thomas likely hasn't reached his full potential as a play-maker. Calderon, meanwhile, turns 31 this year and will start declining sooner rather than later.
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No one is saying he's reached his full potential yet, but that doesn't mean he's ever going to be the playmaker that Calderon is, and Calderon would only be under contract for this season only, so a decline beyond this year wouldn't be any of our concern. A true playmaker like Calderon could be a huge boost to a very disorganized and immature offense. That would probably be a good thing for Thomas actually.

Anyway, it's just a suggestion.
 
dmj said:
Thomas played well for us last year, and I don't see any reason to try and replace him unless someone significantly better is available. While I haven't seen Calderon play in the last few years, the numbers suggest that he was only marginally better than Thomas last year.

You also have to consider that at 23 Thomas likely hasn't reached his full potential as a play-maker. Calderon, meanwhile, turns 31 this year and will start declining sooner rather than later.
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I doubt Calderon would be replacing IT. He'd be a backup and replacing Jimmer's minutes. Personally, I like Calderon but if we're looking at reserve PGs, I'd rather look at FA first. However, I think this team is committed to giving Jimmer those minutes for now.
 
If, we can resign JT, and either sign or trade for a starting SF, and have money left over, then I'd say yes. The only criticism of Calderon, or at least question, is can he defend well enough to make everything else he does worth it. Personally, I don't think he's a terrible defender, but he's certainly not going to make the all defensive team anytime soon.

Calderon has averaged close to 8 assists a game for his entire career, while at the same time only turning the ball over around 2 times a game. Thats a 4 to 1 ratio, which is damm good by anyone's standards. While he's not known for his scoring, around 10 PPG for his career, he does shoot the ball well. 38% from the three, and 48% overall. So from the aspect of adding some experience along with, I think upgrading the position, and thats with all due respect to IT and Jimmer, he would be a nice aquisition.

Plus, I'd be interested in seeing how he performs outside of Toronto. He would be a steady hand bring the ball up, and could be a good mentor to both IT and Jimmer.
 
kingsnation said:
I doubt Calderon would be replacing IT. He'd be a backup and replacing Jimmer's minutes. Personally, I like Calderon but if we're looking at reserve PGs, I'd rather look at FA first. However, I think this team is committed to giving Jimmer those minutes for now.
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I think if we were to sign Calderon, he would have to start. Right now, he's better at the PG position than IT is. And thats no disrespect to IT. And I'll admit, that I like IT coming off the bench better than starting. Now that would probably push Jimmer further down the bench, and maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing. It would give him more time to develop with less pressure. Everyone here seems to love Beno, but if you look at his career, it really didn't take off, until he arrived here in sacramento after sitting on the Spurs bench for 3 years.

Nash didn't really arrive until his 5th year in the league. PG's tend to take more time.
 
Unless Thorton is comfortable coming off the bench, any trade for a ball handler needs to move Thorton so that Evans can start at the 2. I enjoyed watching Thomas play but he really is not likely to ever be the starting PG on a top team, 6th man of year maybe, valuable team member for sure. That being said any PG that moves Evans to the 2 needs to be pass first player. Udrich does come to mind as he would probably be in the Maloofs price range. Pitty we cant chase after Nash, but oh well. I am also not convinced that a Evan Thorton duo is a bad idea depending on how Evans PG skills are progressing and Smart's willingness to develop a half court passing game IN ADDITION to the fast break play he used last season. Time and time again we saw that when the FB broke down the offense just stagnated.
 
bajaden said:
I think if we were to sign Calderon, he would have to start. Right now, he's better at the PG position than IT is. And thats no disrespect to IT. And I'll admit, that I like IT coming off the bench better than starting. Now that would probably push Jimmer further down the bench, and maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing. It would give him more time to develop with less pressure. Everyone here seems to love Beno, but if you look at his career, it really didn't take off, until he arrived here in sacramento after sitting on the Spurs bench for 3 years.

Nash didn't really arrive until his 5th year in the league. PG's tend to take more time.
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Well under the amnesty scenario (which is only a possibility at this point,) we wouldn't be "signing" him, we'd be bidding on him.
 
I like the idea of Jose as PG. Let he and IT compete for minutes as it should not matter who starts rather who produces. And there is always match ups, IT being the "pest" type like a Nash and Jose more a pure PG with his 9 apg. Then there is Jimmer. If he can become the prolific 3-pt scorer he is capable of then he is a "guard" in the generic sense and would get "spread the offense" minutes and be capable of bringing the ball up.
 
CruzDude said:
I like the idea of Jose as PG. Let he and IT compete for minutes as it should not matter who starts rather who produces. And there is always match ups, IT being the "pest" type like a Nash and Jose more a pure PG with his 9 apg. Then there is Jimmer. If he can become the prolific 3-pt scorer he is capable of then he is a "guard" in the generic sense and would get "spread the offense" minutes and be capable of bringing the ball up.
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Calderon would have to spell the end of Jimmer. There is no way you can be a seriosu NBA team trotting out either Jimmer/IT or Jimmer/ Calderon backcourts defensively. It would be a slaughter. Jimmer's best shot at minutes, really from the moment he got drafted for us, was that Reke would be the backcourt mate there to take the tougher defensive matchup.
 
I've watched a lot of Raptors games. Calderon can shoot if he has to. He usually opts to pass for most games which explains his low scoring but the guy can score if called upon. I do think he would be a slight upgrade compared to IT. Calderon has decent enough defense for a starter. Won't light the world on fire, but not many PGs can play exceptional D anyway. Calderon is a play maker and a jump shooting threat. I wouldn't mind getting him as the PG. He would set everyone up and would be taking less shots than IT. He works well if he has legit scorers such as Cousins instead of the band of scrubs the Raptors had when Bargnani was out.
 
Bricklayer said:
Calderon would have to spell the end of Jimmer. There is no way you can be a seriosu NBA team trotting out either Jimmer/IT or Jimmer/ Calderon backcourts defensively. It would be a slaughter. Jimmer's best shot at minutes, really from the moment he got drafted for us, was that Reke would be the backcourt mate there to take the tougher defensive matchup.
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Or take the pressure off him next year. Gives him time to develop.
 
Get Calderon, ship-out one of our current PGs (preferrably IT, so Smart won't be able to play super smallball) and we'll be set on our backcourt..
 
Now that Nash is going to the Lakers, I don't see Toronto doing an amnesty for Calderon. With Derozan, Ross, Bargs, and Jonas, they would need a calm and savvy veteran running the show.
 
Lowry to the Raptors. There's a high probability Calderon will be amnestied. Why can't we just amnesty Salmons and sign Josè? It would make sense financially too, because let's say we give Calderon $3 million per year, I believe there will be a team out there willing to pick up Salmons, and $3 million is a reasonable price for him. So, basically, we would spend the same amount of money, but we would have a true PG instead of Salmons.
If they amnesty him, I'd think about it.
 
I don't see what Calderon would provide that IT doesn't. Play defense? Hardly. Don't see the point, other than to surrender more FA $ and trade capital when it could be used elsewhere. Get a top 10 point guard, or get a guard that is a wizened old vet that can teach IT some tricks of the trade if you want to make a deal.
 
Kingster said:
I don't see what Calderon would provide that IT doesn't. Play defense? Hardly. Don't see the point, other than to surrender more FA $ and trade capital when it could be used elsewhere. Get a top 10 point guard, or get a guard that is a wizened old vet that can teach IT some tricks of the trade if you want to make a deal.
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I think your underestimating Calderon. He's a pretty good PG. I won't argue the defensive side of the ball with you, other than to say, he's as good defensively as Beno or Nash etc. He's averaged 8 assists a game for his career and hardly ever turns the ball over. He is, in the strict sense of the word, a true PG, that seldom looks for his own shot. But can hit the shot if not guarded, shooting around 38% from the 3pt line. I'm not advocating going after him, I'm just trying to present him in a better light. Personally I don't think he's someone we need, but I do think he could help the team.
 
Mass said:
There's a high probability Calderon will be amnestied. Why can't we just amnesty Salmons and sign Josè? It would make sense financially too, because let's say we give Calderon $3 million per year, I believe there will be a team out there willing to pick up Salmons, and $3 million is a reasonable price for him. So, basically, we would spend the same amount of money, but we would have a true PG instead of Salmons.
If they amnesty him, I'd think about it.
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Why not just swap Calderon for Salmons straight-up?

We don't need Salmons and maybe they need a SG. They can have one of IT and Jimmer too.
 
Prince_XY said:
Why not just swap Calderon for Salmons straight-up?

We don't need Salmons and maybe they need a SG. They can have one of IT and Jimmer too.
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We don't need another guard. Salmons played well as a 2nd string PG last year. I'd rather leave our guards alone and if we want to give away people like a fire sale, let's get a SF. I'd focus on our biggest need by position and attitude. I don't think PG is our highest priority and from what I am reading, Calderon doesn''t help our defense. What's the point except shuffling the order and praying it does something?
 
Glenn said:
We don't need another guard. Salmons played well as a 2nd string PG last year. I'd rather leave our guards alone and if we want to give away people like a fire sale, let's get a SF. I'd focus on our biggest need by position and attitude. I don't think PG is our highest priority and from what I am reading, Calderon doesn''t help our defense. What's the point except shuffling the order and praying it does something?
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Calderon has a lot more to offer than does Salmons. A fact of which, unfortunately, I am sure that Toronto is well aware.
 
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