Joakim Noah?

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If the bulls decide to match offers and keep asik. Would they be willing to do a Thornton and Hayes for Noah swap. I doubt they want 2 11 million dollar contract at the same position. Pretty good 3 man big rotation with cuz Noah and jt. With trob as a potential future. Chicago gets more shooting to help spread floor for rose and a solid 4 th big. May take jimmer to make it work also
 
Entity said:
If the bulls decide to match offers and keep asik. Would they be willing to do a Thornton and Hayes for Noah swap. I doubt they want 2 11 million dollar contract at the same position. Pretty good 3 man big rotation with cuz Noah and jt. With trob as a potential future. Chicago gets more shooting to help spread floor for rose and a solid 4 th big. May take jimmer to make it work also
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If we can do that, our line-up would be much more balanced, and we would have someone that could compliment Cousins very well in the post. I am all for it! Now only to convince the Bulls to bite...
 
If we are trading thorton and a bad contract wouldnt we want a very good SF? We already have a 3 man big rotation, If we can get a high quality SF , we need that more. Then maybe a smaller trade of Jimmer/Outlaw for a 5th defensive big
 
Yeah I was wondering of he knew what three man rotation ment lol. Any if the other guy was referring to Robinson..... I'm not quite ready to anoint him just yet. He would be project big. 2 years revaluate then see if he has surpassed jt. If not trobs our 4 th big of the future. If he has good jt is 4th big
 
Well maybe we cant anoint Trob just yet, but with Big cuz and resigned JT both at 6'11" our 1st round draft pick is going to be our 3rd Big man at 6'10" (Even though Hayes is our 4th , at 6'6" hard to call him a big man)

why not argue my real point - do we use our best trade chip for a starting Big man when our need at starting SF is more?
 
Entity said:
If the bulls decide to match offers and keep asik. Would they be willing to do a Thornton and Hayes for Noah swap. I doubt they want 2 11 million dollar contract at the same position. Pretty good 3 man big rotation with cuz Noah and jt. With trob as a potential future. Chicago gets more shooting to help spread floor for rose and a solid 4 th big. May take jimmer to make it work also
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Hey!

This is my idea, I've been pushing for weeks now. I deserve a citation, or at least a footnote. I even updated it after getting a look at TRob's version of PF at summer league.

And yes, Thornton and Hayes looks like the exact package to me. Unfortunately the problem is that because those are long term deals, that still leaves the Bulls facing luxury tax hell in future years. It just means that they will have filled the SG hole (or so they think -- I don't think Thornton works any better with Rose than he did with Reke) with that money and can bunker down rather than having to spend even more. Also let's them have enough offensive weapons to surive next season wthout Rose.
 
Jkbiker said:
Well maybe we cant anoint Trob just yet, but with Big cuz and resigned JT both at 6'11" our 1st round draft pick is going to be our 3rd Big man at 6'10" (Even though Hayes is our 4th , at 6'6" hard to call him a big man)

why not argue my real point - do we use our best trade chip for a starting Big man when our need at starting SF is more?
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we've got 27 SFs. If we actually had a Cousins/Noah/JT/TRob whenever he is ready frontcourt, and a Evans/Salmons or Cisco/Brooks/IT/ backcourt you've actually balanced yourself a bit, and can hopeully win the bigs and the littles with enough authority that a roleplayer can handle the SF spot.
 
My bad brick I didn't see your write up. About the tax bulls will be facing. They face the same keeping Noah. Only now they have "flexible pieces"
 
Although you have been pushing Noah for 3 years. I guess I kinda knew you would be on board with this
 
This would work best if you had a third team involved so that Chicago could shed salary. Basically, the Bulls would get Thornton and a third team would take on Hayes, sending a player to the Kings. Ideally, that player would have a shorter contract so that the Kings end up with more capspace after the season to sign any Reke deal or Cousins extension.
 
swisshh said:
This would work best if you had a third team involved so that Chicago could shed salary. Basically, the Bulls would get Thornton and a third team would take on Hayes, sending a player to the Kings. Ideally, that player would have a shorter contract so that the Kings end up with more capspace after the season to sign any Reke deal or Cousins extension.
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You can resign your own free agents and go over the cap so cap space is not an issue.
 
swisshh said:
The Maloofs aren't paying luxury taxes.
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You don't pay a luxury tax by going over the cap. There are two levels above "being under the cap." You can go over the cap which I think is $58 mil which lays certain restrictions on you. Then there is the hard cap at I think $70 mil. If you go over the hard cap, you start paying luxury tax unless the new CBA has changed all that. I don't think it has. I do agree the Maloofs aren't paying any luxury taxes.
 
I REALLY wanted the Kings to land Horford or Noah in the 2007 draft. Once I gave up the pipedream of the Kings trading up for Horford, I really thought we might end up with Noah. I was so pissed when the Bulls took him right before the Kings selection. Maybe I'm giving Petrie too much credit, but I still believe he was the pick had he been there.

Anyway, I'd love to see our front office pull off a deal for the former Gators star and rectify what could have been in 2007. ;)
 
I think most of us here were pushing for Noah since he was in the draft and we lost that damned coin flip. We had a 50/50 shot to draft him.

He was "my player" too in 2007. I was pushing for him hard, but we didn't have that many people here that didn't want him so there wasn't much arguing.
 
Bricklayer said:
Hey!

This is my idea, I've been pushing for weeks now. I deserve a citation, or at least a footnote. I even updated it after getting a look at TRob's version of PF at summer league.

And yes, Thornton and Hayes looks like the exact package to me. Unfortunately the problem is that because those are long term deals, that still leaves the Bulls facing luxury tax hell in future years. It just means that they will have filled the SG hole (or so they think -- I don't think Thornton works any better with Rose than he did with Reke) with that money and can bunker down rather than having to spend even more. Also let's them have enough offensive weapons to surive next season wthout Rose.
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And there is lies the problem. Both contracts are long terms so they will just flat our say no. It does nothing for them financially. The whole point of trading Noah would be to cut down on the salary, especially in the long term. With that in mind, Thornton and Garcia might be more appealing for them BUT in that case our owners look at Noah's deal, project extensions for Cousins and Reke and they say no thanks, we don't want to pay luxury tax ourselves.

Aside from Ibaka, Noah would be exactly the type of player I would want next to Cousins.

Having said that, I ask the question, why would Chicago choose Noah over Asik (which is essentially what this trade scenario is suggesting). Noah is at least twice the player that Asik is but is only going to earn $4 million more per season
 
Your right it depends on their faith in asik. My thing is they have to get scoring besides rose. They will have even more payroll to do so. If they get asik and trade Noah then they have the scoring in MT. without spending more money. Sure payroll is the same as before only now they have a shooter. Again how much faith do they have in asik.
 
Am I wrong or Asik just being resigned means they cannot trade him before a certain date?
If they really want more scoring and shed some salary in the short term trading Noah is the only logical solution, given these circumstances the amount of faith they have in Asik is almost a nonfactor.
 
William Blake said:
Am I wrong or Asik just being resigned means they cannot trade him before a certain date?
If they really want more scoring and shed some salary in the short term trading Noah is the only logical solution, given these circumstances the amount of faith they have in Asik is almost a nonfactor.
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Asik has not been re-signed but if he did, then he cannot be traded until sometime in December. I think people are assuming that Chicago will want to recruit for this season at the expense of long term thinking. I am not convinced that would be the case. I still think they would rather lose Asik and keep Noah, play with what they have and prepare themselves for an assault at the championships when Rose gets back the year after.

Chicago values Noah highly and he would be considered the second most important player by them, Rose being the main man of course. The only way they trade Noah is if they get a Howard or even Bynum in return.
 
Jkbiker said:
Well maybe we cant anoint Trob just yet, but with Big cuz and resigned JT both at 6'11" our 1st round draft pick is going to be our 3rd Big man at 6'10" (Even though Hayes is our 4th , at 6'6" hard to call him a big man)

why not argue my real point - do we use our best trade chip for a starting Big man when our need at starting SF is more?
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The need for a SF is nowhere near as important as the need for shotblocking. Id trade anything on this team not named Cousins or Evans for a legitimate starting shotblocker. Noah rebounds too.
 
Entity said:
If the bulls decide to match offers and keep asik. Would they be willing to do a Thornton and Hayes for Noah swap. I doubt they want 2 11 million dollar contract at the same position. Pretty good 3 man big rotation with cuz Noah and jt. With trob as a potential future. Chicago gets more shooting to help spread floor for rose and a solid 4 th big. May take jimmer to make it work also
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Personally, I'd be willing to give up more than Thornton and Hayes for Noah. He would transform this team into a winner, imo.
 
Problem with the Bulls is they don't have many terrible contracts to dump outside of Boozer, a bad fit for this team.
 
Čarolija said:
Asik has not been re-signed but if he did, then he cannot be traded until sometime in December. I think people are assuming that Chicago will want to recruit for this season at the expense of long term thinking. I am not convinced that would be the case. I still think they would rather lose Asik and keep Noah, play with what they have and prepare themselves for an assault at the championships when Rose gets back the year after.

Chicago values Noah highly and he would be considered the second most important player by them, Rose being the main man of course. The only way they trade Noah is if they get a Howard or even Bynum in return.
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So if Chicago wants to keep Noah and lose Asik, what about the Kings dealing for Asik?
 
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