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Raptors Gm saying there is no promise made???? but he thinks its lower then 8??? i still think it might be hornets at 10???
Seems to be the Suns at 13.
Raptors Gm saying there is no promise made???? but he thinks its lower then 8??? i still think it might be hornets at 10???
Seems to be the Suns at 13.
Brick, you're letting your lack of desire for taking Robinson cloud your judgement. 6'9'' is absolutely not undersized for an NBA PF today, especially when you have his size and athleticism (and wingspan). I understand you were just comparing height, but throwing his name amongst theirs doesn't really do anything for anyone because those guys are nothing like him.
I completely understand the opinion that Robinson is not an ideal fit and you don't particularly want him. He's certainly not my first choice either. The only way I take him is if I feel he's clearly BPA available, and that's a possibility, in my opinion of course. He's a very good player with the physical attributes to do a lot of damage in the NBA. And his skills aren't even refined yet. I think he's probably going to be a poor man's Griffin, but with better defense (and not needing as many touches).
I'd obviously take Davis and MKG over him. After that it gets a little harder. I love Drummond's size and athleticism, and what he potentially could bring. If he'd shown a little more during college I'd take him over Robinson. As of now I'm just torn. It comes down to potential and fit over potential and non-ideal fit, with the latter having a much lesser chance of busting. I'm still undecided, so I think I'm going to just wait and see how workouts and interviews go. Hopefully Drummond can show more during workouts - he certainly seems like a decent guy.
I listed all those guys on purpose to protect myself from jsut sucha claim. It is not me calling him undersized, it was the league.
However as of today he measured up another half inch at 6'7.75, which moves the line a bit. And you know what, he is STILL a little shortish, but its only a little. He's about the same size as Udonis Haslem, who has always been slightly small. But just slightly. Haslem can play. Boozer is about the same size too and he can play. To give you an idea, he is the same height as Carl Landry. Weren't we all calling Landy small just a year ago? Robinson's size is fine, he's big enough he can comepte in the NBA. If he had come out even a half inch shorter you are beginning to talk about one of the smallest starting PFs though.
C-Webb was around 6'9" and he seemed to turn out alright. Then again, he was a once in a generation talent with perhaps the best set of hands to ever grace the hardwood
It seems draft process is officially started. Dion Waiters was apparently promised a selection he likes a lot and he shut down any further participation (workouts and interviews) in NBA combine, not sure if any workouts were scheduled after the event and whether they will be cancelled as well. The team is not known and he still has wide range but after some scout quote that there are only two future stars in the draft - Dvis and Waiters - it must be lottery ptomise, probably even somewhere in the middle. Someonea are trying to hit themselves a Westbrook.
Damian Lillard cancelled his workouts even before the Combine but now is set to workout for Portland. TO Portland at #6?
Couple of days ago I came across a very interesting thought: MKG burst onto national scene at a very young age - saw people claim he got on their radar as earlier as 4 years ago, though I really heard about him and his skillset in early 2010. The general description in those days was "all-around player without shooting". So even then it was clear his shot just won't cut it in the League and he knew that for sure very early in his career. 2 or 3 years later there's no improvement from devoted gym rat. Yes, maybe he just didn't know how to work on his shot but it's a legitimate concern that he may be at Rondo level as far as outside shot goes for his career. So right now I don't think MKG is such a big prize and I'm not excited about less athletic Eric Gordon or Blake Griffin with lesser athleticism and passing. Kings should not trade Tyreke unless he told Kings that he will spend the summer partying instead of working with "shot doc".
I don't get this talk they Tyreke does not fit the team. He is the 2nd best player on the team and potentially a franchise level player. I say potentially for a reason. How can a team that won 22 games not have a place for such a player.
For a team that has only won 22 games and has not made the play-offs for 6 years, we are not in a position to move 2nd best player because apparently he does not fit. The problem is not Tyreke but the coach who has no idea how to utilise a unique talent.
You get someone like Pop or even McMillan in and they immediately identify Cousins and Evans as their main guys, build a system around them and move on from there. Just because we are for some retarded reason all of a sudden going to run and gun it does not mean that Tyreke does not fit the team, it means our philosophy dead wrong. When you have a big guy whose strength is half court offense and a guard whose game is also suited to half court offense, then a smart coach would play to the strengths of his 2 best players and not some midget run and gun than never has and never will win in this league.
When you win 22 games, you don't trade your 2nd best player because he doesn't fit the team. You ditch the game style that is obviously not working if you only win 33% of your games despite having a dominant big on your team.
The second best player has nothing to do with it. Do you think the Bobs should build around their 2nd best player because he's their 2nd best player? (Heck, with the Bobs you could make a good argument they shouldn't build around their first best player). It's inconsequential. If you think he's going to realize a high ceiling, fine. But 2nd best doesn't mean anything.
My Draft List for the Kings:
1.) Anthony Davis
2.) Thomas Robinson
3.) Bradley Beal
4.) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5.) Terrence Jones
6.) Andre Drummond
7.) Jeremy Lamb
8.) Meyers Leonard
My Draft List for the Kings:
1.) Anthony Davis
2.) Thomas Robinson
3.) Bradley Beal
4.) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5.) Terrence Jones
6.) Andre Drummond
7.) Jeremy Lamb
8.) Meyers Leonard
With all due respect your example is just plain stupid! Your dislike of Evans is well documented so there is no point in arguing why your argument is just post if just empty baseless dribble. Fact is if Charlotte had a player of Tyreke's talent, they would not be as bad as they are and you can guarantee that he would be their building block going forward.
Being the second best player has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It's meaningless. It gets you nowhere because the second best player could be outstanding or the second best player could be mediocre. Get it? What is more helpful is to describe exactly why you think a guy should be "built around." Otherwise, you're supporting an argument with empty air. Rather than insulting me, I think you better reconsider whether you read the post, or just scanned something and did a knee-jerk. I'm waiting for an apology.
Being the second best player has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It's meaningless. It gets you nowhere because the second best player could be outstanding or the second best player could be mediocre. Get it? What is more helpful is to describe exactly why you think a guy should be "built around." Otherwise, you're supporting an argument with empty air. Rather than insulting me, I think you better reconsider whether you read the post, or just scanned something and did a knee-jerk. I'm waiting for an apology.
OK, I apologize! Oh wait, it wasn't me. Its hard to keep track of people you offend. By the way, if memory serves, you along with myself and a few others were supporting the Kings drafting Tyreke. No? Well, if so, then it would be fair to say that you haven't always hated Tyreke. And I doubt you hate him now. You simply want him to reach his potential.
I've been around here since Reke was drafted (I was actually one of the few who wanted Reke over Rubio), and I haven't noticed any of your posts as disliking Reke. It is pretty difficult to be critical of Tyreke here without being labeled a "hater" or something of similar ilk.
My Draft List for the Kings:
1.) Anthony Davis
2.) Thomas Robinson
3.) Bradley Beal
4.) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5.) Terrence Jones
6.) Andre Drummond
7.) Jeremy Lamb
8.) Meyers Leonard
Exactly. And if they want to go way back when in the records they will see that I initiated a post: Why We Should Draft Tyreke Evans. And they will also see that that post was written before the "leaks" started coming out that Petrie was interested in Evans and before the bandwagoners got on the train. And that I thought Evans had a superstar ceiling.
I'm not happy with Evans because he hasn't developed his outside shot. And I'm not happy with him because he hasn't done the proper work to get his outside shot. Why? Because he's not coming close to his ceiling, imo. So all this "you hate Tyreke Evans" lingo is simplistic and incorrect and maybe just flat-out disingenuous. If I hated the guy I'd want for him to continue down the path to mediocrity; just continue what he's been doing. I could then be fabulously happy with his slow path to: "Whatever happened to that Tyrek Evans guy?" I don't hate Evans. I hate that the guy is on the precipice of not coming close to realizing his potential. To my mind, that would be a considerable shame if that happened, to Evans, the franchise, and the fans. That's why for the last two years I have been making numerous inquiries/posts concerning his training regiment: I understand that realizing his potential is not a foregone conclusion. He may never realize it. So, despite the fact that I was at least one of the conductors of the Evans' train, I'm not going to unconditionally say that I want him to remain a King forever. His stay with the Kings is conditional upon his performance, just like everybody else.
I can't speak for others but your attitude towards Evans comes across to me very differently. Your posts seem to imply that youd given up on him, that he would never improve, never get a jumpshot and that we should trade him for money to polish Isaiah Thomas' teeth. I haven't read a single supportive post from you about him in the past half a year.
Exactly. And if they want to go way back when in the records they will see that I initiated a post: Why We Should Draft Tyreke Evans. And they will also see that that post was written before the "leaks" started coming out that Petrie was interested in Evans and before the bandwagoners got on the train. And that I thought Evans had a superstar ceiling.
I'm not happy with Evans because he hasn't developed his outside shot. And I'm not happy with him because he hasn't done the proper work to get his outside shot. Why? Because he's not coming close to his ceiling, imo. So all this "you hate Tyreke Evans" lingo is simplistic and incorrect and maybe just flat-out disingenuous. If I hated the guy I'd want for him to continue down the path to mediocrity; just continue what he's been doing. I could then be fabulously happy with his slow path to: "Whatever happened to that Tyrek Evans guy?" I don't hate Evans. I hate that the guy is on the precipice of not coming close to realizing his potential. To my mind, that would be a considerable shame if that happened, to Evans, the franchise, and the fans. That's why for the last two years I have been making numerous inquiries/posts concerning his training regiment: I understand that realizing his potential is not a foregone conclusion. He may never realize it. So, despite the fact that I was at least one of the conductors of the Evans' train, I'm not going to unconditionally say that I want him to remain a King forever. His stay with the Kings is conditional upon his performance, just like everybody else.
Being the second best player has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It's meaningless. It gets you nowhere because the second best player could be outstanding or the second best player could be mediocre. Get it? What is more helpful is to describe exactly why you think a guy should be "built around." Otherwise, you're supporting an argument with empty air. Rather than insulting me, I think you better reconsider whether you read the post, or just scanned something and did a knee-jerk. I'm waiting for an apology.
I've been around here since Reke was drafted (I was actually one of the few who wanted Reke over Rubio), and I haven't noticed any of your posts as disliking Reke. It is pretty difficult to be critical of Tyreke here without being labeled a "hater" or something of similar ilk.
Funny, because you just a couple days ago labelled everyone an IT hater in another thread for any level of criticism directed his way.
What's funny is both you and Kingster act like you've always been completely objective when posting about Reke and are unfairly labelled "haters", yet you both are among the first to call anyone who critiques IT a hater.
Not that I really care one way or the other, but the double standard is amusing.
Marshall simply isn't nearly as good as Isaiah Thomas. Be careful what you ask for.