It's early, but anybody have a draft wish list yet?
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As is usually the case when teams take on projects - it has to be about the system in place that exists to support the kid. It's hard to see someone like JaVale McGee fail under proper coaching, for example. There might have been a bit more growth in his game.
Bballkingsrock
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Just a tidbit, Chad Ford just had his latest mock draft and had us draft Thomas Robinson adding in his summary, that JOHN Henson is the darkhorse at this spot.
ParniValjak
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If I was convinced that Henson could stack on the weight on that toothpick frame of his, he would be as good a fit next to Cousins as you could hope for.
ParniValjak
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Sam also says that we are interested in Beal but might be leaning away from it considering that we have Thornton, Salmons and Evans (with possible extension coming this summer) already under contract.
If we indeed love Beal, I suspect that we will trade one of the 2 (as no one will want Salmons) for another piece that we need (SF or a shotblocker)!
I must admit that a few years ago I thought that Harrison Barnes will be a certainty at our pick but the more I think about it, the more I am worried that we will end up with Beal or Robinson which makes me extremely nervous.
I would rather trade that pick for an established young veteran that addresses a need (SF or PF)
bajaden
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I disagree that no one would want Salmons. He's still a good player in the right system. However, I don't think anyone would want him at the salary he's making.
This fits Petrie's MO. And I really don't like Zeller or Henson. I think they're both in the Shelden Williams category of good college bigmen without NBA talent. Terrence Jones could be a good player but he's underwhelming at 5. He'd be another trade-down target and another wasted opportunity.
ParniValjak
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That is what I am getting at. Its not the player on his own, its the overall package. The cost is greater than the production so no team would want Salmons at that salary because they are not getting most bang for their buck. Now if in some fantasy land he gets amnestied, then I can guarantee you that the number of suitors looking to pick him up at a smaller contract would be significant.
Uk kings fan
Bench
anyone watching the combine???
im upset a few of the guys arnt working out today
lamb also thinks he will be top 5!!!
im upset a few of the guys arnt working out today
lamb also thinks he will be top 5!!!
It happens every year, it's not a big deal. They'll all do the measurements and the agility/speed drills tomorrow. That's the one to watch.
Uk kings fan
Bench
still abit annoying you whould think it should be non optional and if you come you do everything
Return To Glory
G-League
Not sure if these measurements are legit yet. Jeff Goodman, a CBSSports.com Senior Basketball Writer, tweeted these measurements -
Here's the link to the tweets -
https://twitter.com/#!/GoodmanCBS
Here's the link to the tweets -
https://twitter.com/#!/GoodmanCBS
Uk kings fan
Bench
Thats bad news for robinson and his draft stock isnt it.... wanted to be 6-9 or higher... could fall to us then
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Yeah, I agree, I'm not going to quibble over a quarter of an inch. Especially if his wingspan is 7'3". Standing reach is what counts, along with leaping ability, which should be pretty good for him. Now if he were to come in at 6'7.75" in shoes, then I would be more concerned.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
He's on the edge, normal height in stocking feet for a with shoe 6'8.75 could range anywhere from 6'7.25 to 6'7.5. Familiar names who have been in that region over the years are Paul George, Luke Babbitt, Justin Williams, James Jones, Marcus Morris, Tristan Thompson, Derrick Williams, Carl Landry, Shelden Williams, Darrel Arthur, Danny Granger, Sean May, Hakim Warrick, Eric Williams, Reggie Evans, Richard Jefferson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Dominic McGwire, Tyrus Thomas etc. (just went down draftexpresses list of measurement history). Of those guys, guys like Darrel Arthur, Hakim Warrick and Tyrus Thomas might be the best physical/athletic matches.
It seems draft process is officially started. Dion Waiters was apparently promised a selection he likes a lot and he shut down any further participation (workouts and interviews) in NBA combine, not sure if any workouts were scheduled after the event and whether they will be cancelled as well. The team is not known and he still has wide range but after some scout quote that there are only two future stars in the draft - Dvis and Waiters - it must be lottery ptomise, probably even somewhere in the middle. Someonea are trying to hit themselves a Westbrook.
Damian Lillard cancelled his workouts even before the Combine but now is set to workout for Portland. TO Portland at #6?
Damian Lillard cancelled his workouts even before the Combine but now is set to workout for Portland. TO Portland at #6?
ParniValjak
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If rumours are true then its Raptors with a promise to Waiters
Uk kings fan
Bench
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...er-5-draft-day-scenarios-for-sacramento-kings
i found this quite interesting this morning dont know if any of you have seen it....
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"Thomas Robinson measures 6-9 with a crazy 7-3 wingspan today. That should end any concerns about his size"
that means he is gone before us but who is pushed down i think barnes????
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and last thing today i had a trade idea i havent done this before so stay with me i was thinking about it last night in bed.....
Tyreke + Salmons for Charlotte's 2nd Pick.
We Draft MKG and Robinson/Drummond (may aswell take the risk if T-Rob doesnt fall)
Charlotte gain two experianced players one being ROY a few years back... We get two draft picks and finish off our team and get rid of salmons
Teams
Kings
PG Thomas
SG Thornton
SF MKG
PF T-Rob/Drummond
C Cousins
Though we might get FA's in??
Charlotte
PG: Kemba
SG: Evans
SF: Salmons
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C: Biyombo
i found this quite interesting this morning dont know if any of you have seen it....
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"Thomas Robinson measures 6-9 with a crazy 7-3 wingspan today. That should end any concerns about his size"
that means he is gone before us but who is pushed down i think barnes????
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and last thing today i had a trade idea i havent done this before so stay with me i was thinking about it last night in bed.....
Tyreke + Salmons for Charlotte's 2nd Pick.
We Draft MKG and Robinson/Drummond (may aswell take the risk if T-Rob doesnt fall)
Charlotte gain two experianced players one being ROY a few years back... We get two draft picks and finish off our team and get rid of salmons
Teams
Kings
PG Thomas
SG Thornton
SF MKG
PF T-Rob/Drummond
C Cousins
Though we might get FA's in??
Charlotte
PG: Kemba
SG: Evans
SF: Salmons
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C: Biyombo
Uk kings fan
Bench
What does that mean?? sorry im new to the combine but does that mean he isnt going to be doing anything today or does that just mean no working out for indervidual teams??
ParniValjak
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I've previously said that I want us to keep Tyreke and build around Cousins and Tyreke going forward.
I don't think that trading up is a "valuable" thing to do as I think the price to pay to get to #2 is larger than the gap in talent between #2 and #5. The best value for us would be to either draft the best available or trade the pick for a productive player that fills the need.
Something I remembered is that GP is a BIG fan of Noah. He was visibly disappointed when Chicago picked him right before us and left us with Hawes. He has tried ever since to get a trade done without much success.
Now that Rose will be out for a good chunk of next season (if not the whole season) would Chicago be willing to give up Noah if they could get a better replacement (Dwight). If they are then we could be a team that makes a good trading partner. Magic would want to clear cap, get some young talent in and some valuable draft picks to rebuild and number 5 pick is a pretty nice starting point for a rebuild.
There would obviously need to be more pieces exchanged but Pick 5 would be the main piece and I would trade it and a bit more in a heartbeat for Noah as I see Cousins - Noah - Thompson as an outstanding frontline to move forward with.
I don't think that trading up is a "valuable" thing to do as I think the price to pay to get to #2 is larger than the gap in talent between #2 and #5. The best value for us would be to either draft the best available or trade the pick for a productive player that fills the need.
Something I remembered is that GP is a BIG fan of Noah. He was visibly disappointed when Chicago picked him right before us and left us with Hawes. He has tried ever since to get a trade done without much success.
Now that Rose will be out for a good chunk of next season (if not the whole season) would Chicago be willing to give up Noah if they could get a better replacement (Dwight). If they are then we could be a team that makes a good trading partner. Magic would want to clear cap, get some young talent in and some valuable draft picks to rebuild and number 5 pick is a pretty nice starting point for a rebuild.
There would obviously need to be more pieces exchanged but Pick 5 would be the main piece and I would trade it and a bit more in a heartbeat for Noah as I see Cousins - Noah - Thompson as an outstanding frontline to move forward with.
Uk kings fan
Bench
I really know very little about this but isnt getting say an MKG who fits the team better then having an Evans who doesnt???
Also for anyone why cant we get FA's in and do they care about where they go to live normally or is it just money....
ParniValjak
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I don't get this talk they Tyreke does not fit the team. He is the 2nd best player on the team and potentially a franchise level player. I say potentially for a reason. How can a team that won 22 games not have a place for such a player.
For a team that has only won 22 games and has not made the play-offs for 6 years, we are not in a position to move 2nd best player because apparently he does not fit. The problem is not Tyreke but the coach who has no idea how to utilise a unique talent.
You get someone like Pop or even McMillan in and they immediately identify Cousins and Evans as their main guys, build a system around them and move on from there. Just because we are for some retarded reason all of a sudden going to run and gun it does not mean that Tyreke does not fit the team, it means our philosophy dead wrong. When you have a big guy whose strength is half court offense and a guard whose game is also suited to half court offense, then a smart coach would play to the strengths of his 2 best players and not some midget run and gun than never has and never will win in this league.
When you win 22 games, you don't trade your 2nd best player because he doesn't fit the team. You ditch the game style that is obviously not working if you only win 33% of your games despite having a dominant big on your team.
Couple of days ago I came across a very interesting thought: MKG burst onto national scene at a very young age - saw people claim he got on their radar as earlier as 4 years ago, though I really heard about him and his skillset in early 2010. The general description in those days was "all-around player without shooting". So even then it was clear his shot just won't cut it in the League and he knew that for sure very early in his career. 2 or 3 years later there's no improvement from devoted gym rat. Yes, maybe he just didn't know how to work on his shot but it's a legitimate concern that he may be at Rondo level as far as outside shot goes for his career. So right now I don't think MKG is such a big prize and I'm not excited about less athletic Eric Gordon or Blake Griffin with lesser athleticism and passing. Kings should not trade Tyreke unless he told Kings that he will spend the summer partying instead of working with "shot doc".
Dime Dropper
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Brick, you're letting your lack of desire for taking Robinson cloud your judgement. 6'9'' is absolutely not undersized for an NBA PF today, especially when you have his size and athleticism (and wingspan). I understand you were just comparing height, but throwing his name amongst theirs doesn't really do anything for anyone because those guys are nothing like him.
I completely understand the opinion that Robinson is not an ideal fit and you don't particularly want him. He's certainly not my first choice either. The only way I take him is if I feel he's clearly BPA available, and that's a possibility, in my opinion of course. He's a very good player with the physical attributes to do a lot of damage in the NBA. And his skills aren't even refined yet. I think he's probably going to be a poor man's Griffin, but with better defense (and not needing as many touches).
I'd obviously take Davis and MKG over him. After that it gets a little harder. I love Drummond's size and athleticism, and what he potentially could bring. If he'd shown a little more during college I'd take him over Robinson. As of now I'm just torn. It comes down to potential and fit over potential and non-ideal fit, with the latter having a much lesser chance of busting. I'm still undecided, so I think I'm going to just wait and see how workouts and interviews go. Hopefully Drummond can show more during workouts - he certainly seems like a decent guy.
Uk kings fan
Bench
Raptors Gm saying there is no promise made???? but he thinks its lower then 8??? i still think it might be hornets at 10???
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