kingsboi
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I sure hope our front office doesn't view that they have to make any move for the sake of making a move, even if that player doesn't fit with what we are trying to build here, which even I'm not sure right now.
Free agency coming July 1
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I sure hope our front office doesn't view that they have to make any move for the sake of making a move, even if that player doesn't fit with what we are trying to build here, which even I'm not sure right now.
Uhg....
roasthawg
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He's at 22 pts/7.2 asts/3.2 tov per 100 possessions. Compare that to IT's 29.8 / 9.2 / 4.3. Nearly identical shooting percentages. So basically Collison is a very similar player to IT on the offensive end with a lower usage (19.7% to 26.3%). I think our offense will benefit from seeing less usage out of our pg... especially with the sg position looking to be stronger in the coming year by default if nothing else.
On the defensive end Collison is better. His career defensive win shares is at 8.4 in 5 seasons to IT's 1.2 in 3 years.... a pretty significant upgrade. Better defender, just as good a shooter, less usage... and cheaper.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Well count me in. Going by that video from the war room, they wanted a defensive pg. I don't see how the could not be looking to collison.
roasthawg
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-20140630-story.html
Clippers are pushing hard to resign Collison so we'll need some luck or need to overpay to get him. The way things are going matching IT's offer is looking most realistic.
Clippers are pushing hard to resign Collison so we'll need some luck or need to overpay to get him. The way things are going matching IT's offer is looking most realistic.
Rockmeister
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It seems like all the players that we want are being taken away by other teams. When is it our turn to get a player or two?
ShastaKingsFan
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Good info there. If they don't think that McCallum is ready this year, I don't know why they wouldn't go after Collison
ParniValjak
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When we become a good play off team! No one wants to join a 28 win team with no real way to get better because of salary pressure
It's the usual free agency season so far. Maybe the FO will finally realize that free agency isn't kind to Sacramento.
Livinthedream
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Our big free agency "signing" was keeping Rudy from opting out. The next step is waiting for the IT situation to play out. That won't settle until some big names start to fall. Lowry was the first.
Rockmeister
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I wonder who's fault that is when we can't get good players to become a good play off team. We haven't been in the play offs in TEN years. I am tired of player development.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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Collison wouldn't be the WORST replacement for IT considering whats on the market right now, but lets not get carried away here. We'd have one of the worst 5 or so starting point guards in the NBA if he was to start for us. But hey, when you don't manage your cap correctly, and you lack tradable assets, this is where you are.
And Collison is a worse playmaker than Thomas. You might get a lower usage rate, or less shot attempts, but he sure as hell isn't facilitating at a high level.
And Collison is a worse playmaker than Thomas. You might get a lower usage rate, or less shot attempts, but he sure as hell isn't facilitating at a high level.
Dime Dropper
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That's strange. What would Phx want back? Hibbert? Lance S+T? They may be able to do better, unless they love the idea of a physical, defensive backcourt in Bledsloe and Stephenson. Find it hard to see them giving up Dragic though.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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That link doesn't say any other information regarding the tweeted rumor, so who knows ...
MassachusettsKingsFan
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Respectable, most of the time. Probably better than you would think for a score first guard.
Albatros
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He's not really an upgrade on IT IMO seems to bring a similar game.
If you're pinching pennies and he's cheap then ok but to "win now"... come on.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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He's CERTAINLY not an upgrade. This isn't a win now move to me either, thats for sure.
But the PG market sucks, and the Kings have no money to spend. They struck out on Rondo, and just don't have the assets for anyone else.
The one positive is that Collison, unlike IT, will come at a much cheaper pricetag, and is JUST bad enough that you can remove him from the starting lineup when an upgrade comes along, or if McCallum develops. If you give IT 8+ million, you're dedicating yourself to him. He's your guy. He never seemed like the Kings guy to me.
It's a stop gap in every sense of the word, but .. not the worst one considering the market. We'll have to see what the contract looks like.
Does it make the team better next season? no. And that's a bummer, but it's reality. Not much else we can do with our cap and asset situation.
Entity
Hall of Famer
d is great
Yes.....a chance to get a PG who can play some defense is a significant upgrade in that area
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I'm a little fuzzy on the limits of what you can do with sign and trades under the new CBA, but unless you can work them into 3 team multiple player trades, with Stephensen being the talent leaving Indy, I don't see what Indy possibly has that could remotely net them Rondo.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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Hmm. We could jump in and take George Hill.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
...at $8mil per year...
+ we'd have to be matching salaries still, so still need to be sending something out.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Who knows what Indy is sending. Boston has been hot for Hibbert for a while now. Maybe they'll take a big back from the Kings?
I wouldn't give up anything of value for Hill, really, but Thompson? Landry, certainly. Although it feels like they could do better than Landry if they were just trying to salary swap.
Padrino
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given the kings' cap situation, lack of roster flexibility, lack of trade assets, and overall lack of depth, they're really gonna have to bank on nik stauskas having an immediate impact next season. if stauskas can light it up from beyond the arc and legitimately share ball handling duties in year 1, then perhaps signing a stop-gap starting PG like darren collison works out fine. i certainly wouldn't consider collison an "upgrade" over IT, but he should be cheaper than IT, he comes at a much lower usage rate, and he's a solid defender. that said, you would still need to get something useful back for IT in a sign-and-trade; he can't just walk for nothing, not when the kings are so barren of assets...
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