EC Playoffs Round 2: (1) Cavaliers vs. (4) Celtics
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I suppose I praise Kobe's game once in a while, but I don't think I praise his character or anything like that, except maybe his work ethic, which I can't see anyone disagreeing with.
What's sad? That someone actually disagrees with your holy opinion of LeBron? That I actually dare to not believe the media's hype about how great of a guy he is?
What's sad? That someone actually disagrees with your holy opinion of LeBron? That I actually dare to not believe the media's hype about how great of a guy he is?
See.. this was the most telling part of me. Every game I've always watched, he seemed like the most competitive guy on the court. Sort of like KG from 5 years ago, except on crack. This game truly looked like he did not give a damn. It's not that he gave up, he never started. There was a couple of 2-3 minute stints where he was going hard at the basket and trying to make things happen, but my god man, you are the 2 x MVP, unquestionably the best player on the floor. Man up and show some pride! How do you allow yourself to be whooped so badly by a rival on your home floor, and not show an OUNCE of regret during of afterward?? It was baffling, and I'm really not overstating it. This was a complete 180 from the LBJ I've come to see.
That being said, everybody has off games. But not everybody has off body language. I can understand sucking. But not caring? He is saying the right stuff about the series not being over, trying harder, blah blah blah. But to say that everything is OK and not put more of an emphasis about how they got ran off the court in their own building? Either he's already mentally checked out and is checking in at Chicago, NY, South Beach, wherever... or we truly just witnessed the weirdest ****ing sequence ever.
BTW, there is no way Mike Brown gets another coaching job after this. I know he will, because ****, someone gave Isaah chances; still though, I've never seen a worse rotation, use of timeouts, and just plain disregard for logic.
Well, now. Either Kobe "quitting" in the past has just become less of a diss or Bron has gotten the most serious tarnish on his crown that a non-Kobe fan can put on him.
Pete, sad to see you getting irritated with the claim considering how often you like to point a finger at 24 for this perceived offense.
Pete, sad to see you getting irritated with the claim considering how often you like to point a finger at 24 for this perceived offense.
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Biased in favor of Kobe or against Bron? I didn't chime in on whether I thought Bron tanked the last gm or not. I'm saying it's a dubious accusation because we start pretending to know what's in their heads. I do know that the Suns gm where Kobe supposedly tanked, he scored 50 the previous one and they lost and Jackson was preaching to work from inside out the entire series. His performance in Gm 7 was somewhat more in line with what Jackson wanted than his performance in Gm 6, believe it or not. I'm not making that up, they were trying to pound the ball into Kwame MF Brown in that series. There's an article in today's LAT that mentions that fact.
I have been saying for awhile, and I know I've said it here in the past, that Bron is sometimes too sweet on assists and that him attacking the other team is sometimes what is more necessary for the Cavs than setting up Ilgauskas, Varejao, etc. I don't think his previous gm, as bad as it was, was conclusive proof of him tanking on purpose even if I do think he was too blase in the postgm. So who's too biased, me or the people who are calling him out?
It's rather silly imo to get into the internal motivation of these guys. We should just stick to whether they played well or played like crap. Bron laid an egg, nuff said. I think that cuts more to his carefree youthful attitude than anything. Dwight was like that last year, but look at him now, he's all biz.
I have been saying for awhile, and I know I've said it here in the past, that Bron is sometimes too sweet on assists and that him attacking the other team is sometimes what is more necessary for the Cavs than setting up Ilgauskas, Varejao, etc. I don't think his previous gm, as bad as it was, was conclusive proof of him tanking on purpose even if I do think he was too blase in the postgm. So who's too biased, me or the people who are calling him out?
It's rather silly imo to get into the internal motivation of these guys. We should just stick to whether they played well or played like crap. Bron laid an egg, nuff said. I think that cuts more to his carefree youthful attitude than anything. Dwight was like that last year, but look at him now, he's all biz.
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Respect that. But to the part where you say lebron needs to not worry about the assists and the setting up of people thing I don't agree with. 3 or 4 years ago, yeah. Not now. He's a lot more aggressive than before. It's what we all wanted him to do. He's found a way to be aggressive and get his monster points and he still gets his assists and his rebounds too.
I just think lebron needs a legit #2. And the cavs failed to do that in the last 7 years. Not to mention his coach doesn't have a creative gene in his makeup.
Sorry if I came off as disrespectful, gargy. Didn't mean it.
I just think lebron needs a legit #2. And the cavs failed to do that in the last 7 years. Not to mention his coach doesn't have a creative gene in his makeup.
Sorry if I came off as disrespectful, gargy. Didn't mean it.
It's mercifially over - Cavs closed out 4-2 by Boston.
LeBron James is simply surrounded by a mediocre cast - certainly not a championship level one. Cleveland knew that when they went out and got Jamison at the trade deadline. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mike Brown is a lousy coach - worse than mediocre.
Now LBJ gets to write his ticket out of the "Mistake by the Lake" - and none to soon for the two time MVP, mega superstar.
LeBron James is simply surrounded by a mediocre cast - certainly not a championship level one. Cleveland knew that when they went out and got Jamison at the trade deadline. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mike Brown is a lousy coach - worse than mediocre.
Now LBJ gets to write his ticket out of the "Mistake by the Lake" - and none to soon for the two time MVP, mega superstar.
Ever since LeBron was drafted, Cleveland has opted to have them play the LeBron offense instead of developing a real offensive system. It makes it extremely difficult for them to incorporate a true 2nd option and that's killed them in the playoffs. They're built very much like AI's teams (superstar dominates the ball, surround him with shooters, defenders, and rebounders) were and that may get you good regular season results and past some weak teams in the playoffs, but it won't defeat great teams. It's also held back LeBron's post game, mid range game, and off ball play.
Yup, for as great as the "other guys" (Mo Williams, West, Jamison) have been in their various regular season stints, they were invisible in the playoffs. Mo has got to hit some of those wide open runners... dunno if they're just scared or what, but without that, the C's can just throw 3+ guys at LeBron without much fear to the consequences.
The Cavs FO blew it. They blew it from the start.
When you get a young superstar talent like James .. you dont build a team like this.
Thunder are doing it the right way. Surrounding Durant with YOUNG talent. Good young talent. Cleveland basically just tried to plug up the team with vets right from the get go. From Hughes to Gooden to Flip Murray to Shaq to Jamison. Just stupid patchwork. Build a team around Lebron, but allow that team to grow up together. They should have kept Boozer.
If your team has Boozer and James on it from 2003 to now, that team has a title.
Very good chance James is gone now. That team is a mess.
When you get a young superstar talent like James .. you dont build a team like this.
Thunder are doing it the right way. Surrounding Durant with YOUNG talent. Good young talent. Cleveland basically just tried to plug up the team with vets right from the get go. From Hughes to Gooden to Flip Murray to Shaq to Jamison. Just stupid patchwork. Build a team around Lebron, but allow that team to grow up together. They should have kept Boozer.
If your team has Boozer and James on it from 2003 to now, that team has a title.
Very good chance James is gone now. That team is a mess.
They didn't have the same deal for Igauskas. Igauskas was traded with the belief that the Wizards would cut him, which they did, but he considered a few other teams before deciding to return to Cleveland.
With Boozer, Cleveland let him off his contract at his request and promised to give him a huge contract in return, I don't remember the details but it was something like they had to get under the cap.
Boozer just left them and took a little more money from Utah.
With Boozer, Cleveland let him off his contract at his request and promised to give him a huge contract in return, I don't remember the details but it was something like they had to get under the cap.
Boozer just left them and took a little more money from Utah.