Beno speaking up about Kings offense

#61
I've got the solution. This is going to surprise some people, but it's been right under our nose all along. To provide that leadership we need, the Kings need to sign some low cost, experienced veterans from the OTHER professional basketball team in town: http://www.heatwavelive.com/

Why didn't we think of this during the summer!!!?
 
#64
There seems to be a contradiction in logic there. You say they've got to keep that max offer open. Then a moment later, you point out how no max player would have come here anyways. So why keep enough money available for a max player when we all know there's a snowball's chance in hell of one signing here? That seems like shooting themselves in the foot to me.

Basically, Evans and Cousins are supposed to be your future. So the best approach is to surround them with a decent team for the next few seasons. Then in a few seasons once Evans and Cousins develop, you already have a decent team around them which should translate to a good team overall.

But if you surround Evans and Cousins with bench caliber players for the next few seasons, not only will the team suck, but you’re probably hurting Evans and Cousins progress and your chances of resigning them as well.
This is depressingly true. No Max player is going to want to sign in Sacraento if the team isnt at least a competative club. Although Sacramento is one of the very few teams that will have big money available next season. The Kings will unfortunatly have to overpay a quality player to come play for them. Unless we are willing to trade some of our depth away in the process, which I am not sure the Kings have enough talent to dangle in front of another team looking to trade a quality player. Might as well make the best of this team, get another lottery pick next season, hopefully a SF or SG who can shoot the lights out on the perimeter, and prey that the team improves to the point where free agents wont tell their agents specifically no trade to the Kings. Right now, Sacramento is looking like the NBA wasteland again. It wasn't until Vlade and Webber came to Sacto, and they drafted J-Will before they were able to attract even decent free agents. Somehow the Kings need to improve from within and draft well in order to succeed. They still do not have the talent to even scratch out a season making the 8th seed in the playoffs. The Kings are a laughingstock right now until they can get their act together. Until then, wishing for free agents is just that, wishing...
 

Kingster

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#65
This is depressingly true. No Max player is going to want to sign in Sacraento if the team isnt at least a competative club. Although Sacramento is one of the very few teams that will have big money available next season. The Kings will unfortunatly have to overpay a quality player to come play for them. Unless we are willing to trade some of our depth away in the process, which I am not sure the Kings have enough talent to dangle in front of another team looking to trade a quality player. Might as well make the best of this team, get another lottery pick next season, hopefully a SF or SG who can shoot the lights out on the perimeter, and prey that the team improves to the point where free agents wont tell their agents specifically no trade to the Kings. Right now, Sacramento is looking like the NBA wasteland again. It wasn't until Vlade and Webber came to Sacto, and they drafted J-Will before they were able to attract even decent free agents. Somehow the Kings need to improve from within and draft well in order to succeed. They still do not have the talent to even scratch out a season making the 8th seed in the playoffs. The Kings are a laughingstock right now until they can get their act together. Until then, wishing for free agents is just that, wishing...
Oh, we're all Doomed! Doomed I say! For eternity and anon... Doomed
 
#66
I wouldn't call us a laughing stock, a very bad team maybe, one that I am not shelling out any dough for (I scored free tix for the Pacers game Tuesday though!).

RookieOftheDay, you seem to constantly forget that the rules are going to change very soon, and that plays a major role in why the organization is trying to be smart. Swissh, Rookie, you a guys are co-GM's, you have been promoted. What should you have done this past offseason and what dou you suggest we do now to help the team?
 
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bajaden

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#67
Did you read a word I said or are you just shooting from the hip? It seems like the latter. I didn't say anything about "instant gratification" or careless spending, or anything of the sort.

There’s a middle ground here. It’s not as if the only two options are doing diddly squat and breaking the bank on an overpaid second tier star.

I’m talking about adding a starting caliber player that’s affordable and that will be part of the team’s growth/maturation process. I provided an example of a player who not only fit that mold but was available and most likely attainable.

If The Kings didn’t have so much cap space I could see sitting on their hands but they have enough space that they could have signed a Felton caliber player and still have been in good shape cap wise.

As for the sophistication claim. Give me a break. There isn’t anything sophisticated about defending a team that’s strategy is to dump salary for years only to take a passive approach to free agency. Why dump all that salary in the first place if you aren’t going to use it to get better? Might as well have kept the Bibby/Artest/Miller/Martin squad if you’re going to just sit on the money you freed up by trading those guys. Heck, I even heard a Jazz announcer say that The Kings are doing Evans and Cousins a disservice by not surrounding them with better players.

Right now The Kings are gambling on draft picks and nothing else. Your examples of New Orleans, and Orlando only work in a best case scenario where Evans and Cousins end up the same caliber players that Paul and Howard are. Maybe that will happen in a few years, maybe it won’t. The point is, in the meantime, you at least need to add a legit starter or two to keep the team from being stuck in a state of perennial lottery bound suckage for the next couple of seasons while the Evans/Cousins duo develops. Otherwise, they'll probably just bolt for better teams when their rookie contracts are up. And who could blame them?
There have been countless posts on why its best to wait to sign any freeagent worth his salt. From the uncertainty of the new CBA, to waiting to see just exactly what you need by playing out this, or part of this season. There are a lot of unanswered questions that need answering before commiting a ton of money to someone. We have two major ending contracts in Landry and Dalembert. A decision has to be made on whether to offer them a new contract or not. That decision could tie in with whether to use one of our young bigs in a trade or not. If you decide to keep Landry, then Thompson becomes more expendable. If you decide to let him walk, then I doubt you want to move Thompson. Obviously Thompson is affected similarly with whatever decision we make on Dalembert, since he can also play center.

Its possible that the CBA will include a hard cap, lower contract salaries and shorter contracts with less guaranteed years. If your sitting there with a boatload of money, do you wait for black friday and the best deals, or do you do early panic and spend a lot of money on someone you might get cheaper by waiting? I think I know I'm wasting my breath on you, because I don't think you really care. I think you have an agenda. The reason I believe that, is that you ignore any and all other ideas other than your own. And your own are that everything sucks from management to the players themselves. You throw out some nice little thing at the beginning of your post about wanting the team to succeed and you like this player or that player, and then you go right back into your little mantra. I've yet to hear a positive thought come out of you, other than when you feel you have to say something to convince us that you really are a Kings fan. So far I'm not convinced. But I'm sure you don't care what I think. At any rate, there are very good arguments as to why the team is doing the right thing by waiting for the next freeagency period. And if they do nothing then, I'll join you in your criticism. But I felt that the Kings would only do a signing or a deal this past off season if it was a no brainer. But they wern't going to trade or sign a player just to make you and themselves feel like they've done something.

I felt going into this season that it was going to be a shakedown cruise. While I admit that its been shakier than I would have thought, I still think thats the mindset of the orgainzation. Figure out what you have amongst all the young talent. Make a decision on who you want or don't want going forward, and then fill in the rest of the pieces through the freeagent market and with your draft picks for the coming year. The Kings will have more money to spend than any other team in the league next offseason. The freeagent market, while devoid of mega superstars like LeBron and Wade, is still going to be a deep one loaded with good talent.

Having said all that, and I'm sure you've heard it before, I will admit that there were players out there that I think could have helped the Kings. And one can speculate that they could have been had for the right price. But we don't really know what it might have taken to get one of those players. And to say its possible, without really knowing all the fact, is arguing in the abstract. So if you want to criticize, be my guest. But to accuse Bricky of being an apologist for the Kings is almost funny. No one on this fourm has been more critical of the Kings and management than Bricky. No one has been a harsher critic of Petrie than Bricky. But Bricky is also fair. Yeah, I know there are some that don't believe that. If he see's real progress he'll say so. Just as readily as he'll criticize.

You deny being a person that wants instant gratification, but at the same time your upset because the Kings didn't do something quickly enough for you, which is the definition of wanting instant gratification. You want success now. So do I. But unless your extremely lucky enough to have a no brainer deal fall into your lap, its usually doesn't happen quickly.
 

bajaden

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#68
1. Dally is not and never has been a leader. We needed a leader in the backcourt most of all.
2. Clear capspace for what? The lockout has scared most of the top FAs into signing extensions. Carmelo remains but he's not coming here.
3. I understand the team is losing money, but customer faith is not won back this way. It's not about breaking the bank, but spending a little more to get a major need, instead of going the cheap route and taking your chances with bad chemistry.
Your right about Dalembert not being a leader. Nor is he a scoring machine. I'm not sure many of us thought he was brought here for either of those things. At least I didn't. So far he's done what I thought he was capable of. I know that probably some thought he might be better offensively, but since I watched him play quite a bit before we traded for him, I had no such inclinations.

At the moment there is still a lot of good freeagents available next offseason. But I also agree with you that the team desperately needs to put butts in the seats by showing improvement over last year, and at the moment they're headed in the wrong direction. So the question is, is it because we don't have enough talent, or is it because the talent we have isn't being coached properly? Or is it both?

I'm not going to go back and beat the horse again. But the team won 25 game last year with some combination of Hawes, Thompson, Landry, Greene, Casspi, Beno, and Evans in the starting lineup last year. So is it unreasonable to think that the starting lineup this year would be mostly made up of that same group, with the others of that group being the first off the bench? Those, with the obvious exception of Hawes are the players on the team that best know each others games. They're the one's that have the most experience playing together. You want chemistry on the team. Try putting the players that already have some chemistry on the floor at the same time. Then work the new players into the rotation, and if necessary down the line, into the starting lineup.

I'm not saying you'd have a winner, but it would likely be better than what were seeing right now. And right now you have a confused team, with players starting to speak out. For the first time I can remember, Thompson looked visibly angry on the bench during the last game. And like Thompson or not, he's the consumate team player. If you start to lose players like Thompson, your going to lose the whole team.

I do think it gives one pause when you see players like C.J. Miles, a player, or a player like him, that maybe could have been had in the offseason, playing so well for Sloan. And not just Miles, but all the lesser players on the team. Sloan always seems to get the most out of his players. He knows their strengths and weaknesses. I seem to recall that we once had Ronnie Price. And now were trying to find someone that can guard the other teams PG. Hmmm!

Yeah, I know that hindsight is 100%. I'll tell you what. You get me a Jerry Sloan clone, and I'll forget all about Ronnie Price..
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#69
There seems to be a contradiction in logic there. You say they've got to keep that max offer open. Then a moment later, you point out how no max player would have come here anyways. So why keep enough money available for a max player when we all know there's a snowball's chance in hell of one signing here? That seems like shooting themselves in the foot to me.

Basically, Evans and Cousins are supposed to be your future. So the best approach is to surround them with a decent team for the next few seasons. Then in a few seasons once Evans and Cousins develop, you already have a decent team around them which should translate to a good team overall.

But if you surround Evans and Cousins with bench caliber players for the next few seasons, not only will the team suck, but you’re probably hurting Evans and Cousins progress and your chances of resigning them as well.
There was no contradiction. He was referring to the major freeagents in the last freeagent market. Not the freeagents in the next freeagent market, when the Kings will be one of the few teams with the money to spend. I'll agree that there are no guarantees that even then, a major player will want to come here. But there will certainly be fewer teams competing for that players services, which increases your chances of aquiring that player.
 
#70
I actually agree with him here. I much more akin to motion-based offenses. There's too much ISO, and i think that's a refection on PW's offensive schemes so far. I think he's trying so hard to play to Tyreke's strength's that it's damaging the rest of the roster's ability to produce.
Sounds like Lebron or Artest streetball which isn't good for the team!!!
 
#72
Kings will go nowhere until the owners get off their duffs and use some of that moola to get some quality vets. Not too mention a REAL head coach, not the cheapest generic knockoff they can find.
 
#73
About 45 seconds ago I came to this conclusion: I'm honestly not concerned about what's going on between the players and Westphal. Yes, I know it's important, but I have a basic faith in Westphal and his intelligence, and enough faith to know that he at least sees most if not all the things we see and comment on, or at least appreciates that particular perspective. I also know it is a given that there are things going on behind the scenes, decisions being made, directions being forged, and reasons for all those decisions.

I also believe that we need stability in the head coaching position and to a degree in the player personnel. Therefore I don't see a change in coaching as the best solution. I also conclude that Westphal knows he is taking a personal image hit running the team the way he is, but since, as a given, I don't have all the info, I conclude it is better to let him work. Therefore, all that said, to me, the most important thing is that the Maloofs, Petrie, and Westphal are all on the same page and in good communication, and have a plan, whatever that plan may be, given all the uncertainties surrounding and within the franchise and in the general econonmy. As long as I see some signs that this is the case, I feel things are generally ok.

Up until maybe a year ago, no such plan seemed apparent. Then it clearly did, up until a couple weeks ago. However, more unknowns (to us) (finality of thwarted arena efforts, etc.) may have entered the picture since setting course on Plan A a year ago. Therefore, the only thing I can really say at this point is 1. I hope M/P/W are tight right now with their communication (and I can't be totally sure they are), and 2. Wherever this thing ends up, whether it's in Sac or not, we are still well positioned youth talent wise, and cap space wise, to be a rising contender in the next 5 years, if, and this is a big if, M/P/W stay focused on a plan and make adjustments to that plan as needed.

Biggest potential problem I can see is: lack of foresight, direction, conviction, or communication ability at the top. Or, major $$ trouble at or around the top. (I don't doubt that Westphal knows how to construct and teach a high level NBA offense.) Both of those things, as I see it, are the only natural conclusions one can come to when trying to asses the roots of the problems that Beno, Head, and even C.J. Miles and the Jazz announcers have had the guts to kindly point out in public.
 
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#74
I wouldn't call us a laughing stock, a very bad team maybe, one that I am not shelling out any dough for (I scored free tix for the Pacers game Tuesday though!).

RookieOftheDay, you seem to constantly forget that the rules are going to change very soon, and that plays a major role in why the organization is trying to be smart. Swissh, Rookie, you a guys are co-GM's, you have been promoted. What should you have done this past offseason and what dou you suggest we do now to help the team?
Why would you figure I'd forgotten that? It's not as if thinking the team should have been more active in FA means you've forgotten about the new CBA, lol.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#75
Why would you figure I'd forgotten that? It's not as if thinking the team should have been more active in FA means you've forgotten about the new CBA, lol.
No, I imagine with the way you completely ignore the strategic realities of the situation in all other ways, the addition of yet more more reason not to throw money at average players this summer probably barely causes a dent.
 
#76
The reason I believe that, is that you ignore any and all other ideas other than your own.
It seems as if you, and quite a few other folks around here see not agreeing with other ideas as tantamount to ignoring them.

other than when you feel you have to say something to convince us that you really are a Kings fan.
LOL, what? I couldn’t care less if anyone thinks I’m really a Kings fans or not. In fact, I find it really amusing that folks would question whether someone was a real fan or not simply because that person holds views/opinions about the team that don’t fall in line with the local consensus.

there are very good arguments as to why the team is doing the right thing by waiting for the next freeagency period
I never claimed there weren’t. I’ve heard and understand all of the arguments to that effect. I simply don’t agree with them. It’s not as if my opinion on the matter is even uncommon. Lots of fans, and a good number of people in the media have echoed my feelings on it.

If your sitting there with a boatload of money, do you wait for black friday and the best deals, or do you do early panic and spend a lot of money on someone you might get cheaper by waiting?
The key word there is might. While The Kings took a passive approach based on what might happen, lots of other teams took action and made themselves better. I don't consider adding a quality player in FA to be a panic move. I consider it a doing all you can to make the team better move.

You deny being a person that wants instant gratification, but at the same time your upset because the Kings didn't do something quickly enough for you, which is the definition of wanting instant gratification.
Wrong. I don’t expect instant success. I simply expect that as much as possible be done to ensure future success.
 
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#77
He was referring to the major freeagents in the last freeagent market. Not the freeagents in the next freeagent market
What's the difference? If The Kings can't lure a max free agent now they aren't going to be able to next year, or the year after that either. If you know a top FA isn't coming here, then the next best thing is to get the best caliber player you can.
 
#78
No, I imagine with the way you completely ignore the strategic realities of the situation in all other ways, the addition of yet more more reason not to throw money at average players this summer probably barely causes a dent.
Again, I'm not ignoring anything. I don't know why I have to keep pointing this out to folks, but not agreeing with something isn't tantamount to ignoring it. I've heard and understand all the arguments for why The Kings were wise to not spend money this year. I simply don't agree.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#79
Again, I'm not ignoring anything. I don't know why I have to keep pointing this out to folks, but not agreeing with something isn't tantamount to ignoring it. I've heard and understand all the arguments for why The Kings were wise to not spend money this year. I simply don't agree.
At some point it becomes the same thing.

Speaker 1: "You can't afford them."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "You just lost your job."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "Your credit card is maxed out."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "They are out of style."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "You have nothing to wear them with."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "You have 47 other pairs at home."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "Hell, they aren't even your size."
Speaker 2: "uh huh. But damnit, I'm going to buy these shoes anyway!"

At a certain point the decisionmaking process is so compromised that ignoring and "deciding" become conflated.
 
#80
At some point it becomes the same thing.

Speaker 1: "You can't afford them."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "You just lost your job."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "Your credit card is maxed out."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "They are out of style."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "You have nothing to wear them with."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "You have 47 other pairs at home."
Speaker 2: "uh huh."
Speaker 1: "Hell, they aren't even your size."
Speaker 2: "uh huh. But damnit, I'm going to buy these shoes anyway!"

At a certain point the decisionmaking process is so compromised that ignoring and "deciding" become conflated.
Those are some pretty poor analogies that have little or nothing to do with The Kings' situation.

"You can't afford them." The Kings can afford them, though.

"You just lost your job." The Maloofs didn’t lose their job.

"Your credit card is maxed out." The Maloof's credit card isn’t maxed out.

"They are out of style." Not sure what that one even refers to, lol.

"You have nothing to wear them with." Again, don’t quote follow that one.

"You have 47 other pairs at home." Are you pulling these out of thin air?

"Hell, they aren't even your size." In the NBA, when talking about bad team, good, starting caliber players are one size fits all.
 
#81
Those are some pretty poor analogies that have little or nothing to do with The Kings' situation.

"You can't afford them." The Kings can afford them, though.

"You just lost your job." The Maloofs didn’t lose their job.

"Your credit card is maxed out." The Maloof's credit card isn’t maxed out.

"They are out of style." Not sure what that one even refers to, lol.

"You have nothing to wear them with." Again, don’t quote follow that one.

"You have 47 other pairs at home." Are you pulling these out of thin air?

"Hell, they aren't even your size." In the NBA, when talking about bad team, good, starting caliber players are one size fits all.
Actually, when we talk about cap room, we are only talking about theoretical available money. The Maloofs have been hit pretty hard by the collapse of the economy. They have far more serious money issues with their real business, the Palms and other investments. Owning a pro sports team is a hobby for rich folks, not an income-producer.

So having theoretical money in terms of "cap space" does not mean the Maloofs and their fellow owners had or have that much real money to spend on the team.

Nobody here actually knows what the owners financial situation is. Its so easy to tell other people to spend money, isn't it? Especially if you pretend they actually have that money to spend.

On the other hand, the Maloofs learned the hard way, that throwing money at players, doesn't guarantee you a championship, or even a really good team, and had an example of a relatively low-spending team having great success (the Spurs). I just think they want to spend their money smarter this time, partly out of necessity, but also because huge player contracts sunk this team for a long time.
 
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bajaden

Hall of Famer
#82
Again, I'm not ignoring anything. I don't know why I have to keep pointing this out to folks, but not agreeing with something isn't tantamount to ignoring it. I've heard and understand all the arguments for why The Kings were wise to not spend money this year. I simply don't agree.
Your a funny dude I'll say that. You make no sense at all. You deny all logic thats presented. You find everything negative, including all arguments other than your own. let me put it this way. You say that not agreeing with somethng isn't tantamount ( nice word by the way ) to ignoring it. Well if someone tells you a volcano is erupting and lava is coming down the mountain toward your house, and you choose to do nothing. Then your either ignoring good information, or your just plain stupid. So you see that when people insist that your ignoring what they say, they're actually being nice. They're assuming that your intelligent enough to understand what they're saying. But if you want to prove them wrong, be my guest...
 
#83
You deny all logic thats presented.
I could just as easily say the same for the opposition. Obviously we don’t all share the same idea of what logic is. To me, a team that’s trying to rebuild and gain back its fan-base spending absolutely nothing in free agency isn’t very logical. Not if the goal is to do everything in your power to improve the team. It’s only logical if financial concerns outweigh concerns about tangibly improving the team.

You find everything negative, including all arguments other than your own.
I don’t see a lot to be positive about with The Kings right now. I’m not a “look for the silver lining” type of guy, so yeah, I may seem a bit negative at times but the way I see it, I’m just being realistic.

Well if someone tells you a volcano is erupting and lava is coming down the mountain toward your house, and you choose to do nothing. Then your either ignoring good information, or your just plain stupid.
No argument there but that (somewhat absurd) example is just a red herring and has F all to do with The Kings situation. In that scenario, staying home means certain death. There’s no potential upside to not leaving. There is (obviously) a potential upside to spending money in free agency, though.

So you see that when people insist that your ignoring what they say, they're actually being nice. They're assuming that your intelligent enough to understand what they're saying. But if you want to prove them wrong, be my guest...
That might glean some insight into the problem. This isn’t a “right” or “wrong” issue. There’s valid arguments to made for both sides. If folks are looking at it as if the right opinion to have is that The Kings shouldn’t have spent money and that anyone who has the opinion that they should have spent money is wrong, then that explains why there’s so much annoyance when someone expresses the opinion that they should have spent money.
 
#85
No one has said anything new in this conversation about spending in weeks.
Here's something new about spending that hasn't been discussed (at least not that I've seen). I read on another site the Kings payroll is below the League required minimum, so they will need to add some salary before the trade deadline. LMAO!
 
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#86
the minimum team salary, which is set at 75% of the Salary Cap, is $43.533 million.
Our current Salary is $43,017,530. The difference will be payed to the League if we don't make any moves to change the situation at some point not a big deal really.
 
#87
Here's something new about spending that hasn't been discussed (at least not that I've seen). I read on another site the Kings payroll is below the League required minimum, so they will need to add some salary before the trade deadline. LMAO!
Shows how long you've been around and how much you actually know about the team.
 
#89
Again, I'm not ignoring anything. I don't know why I have to keep pointing this out to folks, but not agreeing with something isn't tantamount to ignoring it. I've heard and understand all the arguments for why The Kings were wise to not spend money this year. I simply don't agree.
i dont know if you've mentioned it before, but who would you have wanted the kings to go after and how much did you expect us to pay. you say that you understand that the cba might change and that it's going to be hard for us to lure a free agent, so knowing that as well as the fact that we should throw out max contracts to those who dont deserve it because we will need the money when tyreke's contract ends as well as others that we need to keep. who did you expect us to get?

during the offseason i wanted a shooter like korver, miller, or reddick. considering the situation, i think we definitely had to overpay for them to get them here as opposed to the teams they went to. i've seen many seasons of giving players the MLE and them not living up to it. i didnt want another season of paying that much or more when a player didnt deserve it and handcuff our team going into next season.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#90
What part of "at least not that I've seen" and "I read on another site" are you having trouble understanding?
What he's trying to say is that all the things your bringing up have been discussed hundreds of times. Including the league mininum salaries for the team. Look! There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to the last freeagency period or the next one. You have your perference as to what you wanted the team to do. Its an opinion shared by many on this fourm. I, and some others have explained why it might be more beneficial to wait until after the next CBA is in place so you know what your dealing with in the future, as well as possibly better deals on contracts as a result. Amick and Crandell were on a question and answer internet fourm and Crandell was asked about this very thing. He said he asked Gavin Maloof that question and Gavin said that the Kings would be serious participants in the next freeagency period.

Now I'll agree that if you want to put butts in the seats you have to put a good product on the floor, and that adding one, or possibly two quality freeagents might have been a good step in that direction. I've would have had no objection if they did, depending on who they signed. I suspect that they wanted to wait till next year for the reasons stated previously. Maybe they thought that this team would come together and be good enough to get them through till next year when they could make a big splash. To be honest, I think this team should be better, and I'm not any happier than you are about the current state of the team.

So we know that not signing anyone didn't work out so well. Points for you. What we don't know is how well waiting till next year is going to work. Waiting didn't help the Knicks too well did it? Point is, we won't know until next offseason, which could unfortunately be a long one. If they have a plan, and they're following that plan, then we really can't honestly judge the plan until they're finished. That doesn't mean your wrong, or that I'm right. It means we don't know the ending yet.. By the way, Gavin told Crandell that they had a plan they were following, which is where I came up with it. At least its nice to know they have a plan..