Bricklayer said:There is no comparison -- I am far tougher than Peja Stojakovic, as I supect are a number of board members.
Bricklayer said:Tougher than Peja, more muscle defintion than Brad, and bigger....oh...er...![]()
BMiller52 said:Does she look quicker than mike too?
I know she looks calmer than Bonzi and ummmmm, dunno what she has on reef.
AleksandarN said:She is probably a better ball handler than Bibby too
Oh boy.AleksandarN said:She is probably a better ball handler than Bibby too
Bricklayer said:I think most are aware of that ancient injury at this point, but I do SO get tied of it being thrown out as some sort of half-assed excuse for why Peja is a wuss today, or worse yet saying its perfectly understandable that he's a wuss because he actually showed once he was a macho macho man and it backfired so lifelong wussdom is the 100% reasonable and logical response.At BEST it means that he was basically traumatized into being a wuss -- that having tasted pain once he wouold forever wimp out afterward. At worst its irrelevant as a young player who was either tricked or the victim of rampant doctor incompetence but would still NEVER have gone out on the court if he knew the truth or how bad it would hurt.
Either way Peja is quite obviously AT THIS POINT, HERE TODAY, well on the wussy side of things and as adverse to pain as a gradeschooler. Moreso perhaps. He's the guy who faints in the delivery room.
Bringing up ancient history is akin to saying Brad can jump because he used to be a high jumper in high school, that Mike can defend because he used to lock down kids on the playground in junior high, or that Webb is in fact durable because he didn't have a major injury until 1995. Historical footnotes even if true. Not helpful at all at this point to us unless we can convince Peja to go into wuss-therapy to sort out the root sources of his extreme pain aversion.
anytime i see your avatar i laugh. i'm always expecting a napoleon quote to pop up.AleksandarN said:She is probably a better ball handler than Bibby too
thesanityannex said:sorry off topic.
i think its funny how we can all find a way to debate peja's injured finger when we have no idea exactly how it felt.............we are not Peja and we are not Peja's pinky finger. until then, we'll never know.
VF21 said:Oh please...
Just because you don't subscribe to the idea doesn't mean it's totally without merit. We know Peja has a low pain threshold. It's been obvious with pretty much everything that's happened to him over the course of his career.
What I was objecting to was the notion by some allegedly professional athletes that Peja was a wuss because he didn't suck it up and play through the pain. While it might be okay for a tight end in football to do it, you don't see quarterbacks doing it because it throws off their passing. So, why should it be expected for shooters to do it when their fingers would either be VERY tender OR totally numb, which in either case would pretty much totally change the feel of the ball and how the shooter...shoots.
I'm very sorry if you're tired of it "being thrown out as some sort of half-assed excuse for why Peja is a wuss today" - just because something is used as an excuse, doesn't mean it's necessarily not a VALID excuse.
Bricklayer said:Oh please yourself...
Your need to defend every King because they are a King aside, there is NOTHING valid about raising a decade old injury as some sort of, again, half-assed excuse for sitting out with a hurt pinky. (a "slight sprain" according to the report). The wuss factor is PRECISELY when you become afriad of and unwilling to endure pain, regardless of where the aversion began. Being "tough" would be exactly going right back out there again knowing that you might suffer more pain and just accepting it.
And yes, every week quarterbacks go out there sporting injuries which would leave Peja shelved for months (I seem to recall Brett Favre playing most of the season with a BROKEN finger on his throwing hand a year or two ago, and I wonder how many games Peja would play through with a sports hernia?). Many basketball players do as well. I do wonder what the odds are Iverson would sit out with a hurt pinky.
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AleksandarN said:Sorry to bud in but his hand is swollen and according to Pedja has no real feeling in it. So tell me how effective would a basketball player be when his shooting hand is in that kind of condition? It would be a different story if it was the pain of injury that kept him from playing but that was not the case.
West_Gunslinger16 said:Trade Peja and we'll get slaughtered by other teams that's for sure. Is there any better shooter than Peja Stojakovic?
Bricklayer said:Perhaps not.
Is there anything more overrated by Kings fans than having the best shooter?
Definitely not.
Oddly teams without the best shooter have just kept on beating us over the years. They must be cheating. Everyone knows if you don't have the best shooter that you can only average 40ppg and go 0-82.
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Shooting's cute. Every team needs a few shooters. But its been a good 20 years since the team with the best shooter won a title (Bird). Its not a relevant consideration when it comes down to winning.
Stojakovic said:Some tend to think about Peja as a good player, and some don't. What's in question here is whether Peja is detrimental to this team's success or not. In my opinion, Peja's not the problem here. Heck, I think he's an important piece to the "puzzle" , and if there was a way to keep him around, I'd do it. Besides, trading him at this point is unrealistic. His salary is fairly small, and there is no possible way you could get equal value in return for him unless you'd settle with somebody like Calvin Booth or Vitaly Potapenko. If anything, a sign and trade next year is a much bigger/better possibility.
Bricklayer said:I sincerely doubt any team that has to rely on Peja is ever going to win a ring. But that's not a current concern. We're playing tonight to avoid fallingback into last place in the Western Conference. Peja as bigtime winner, fantasy though it might be, isn't important right now.
Stojakovic said:You're right, but that's not the point. How many guys in this league are truly capable of carrying a team to a ring , or as you say ... how many players are truly capable of successfully awarding their teams with success when they rely on them ?
Kobe can't do it. T-Mac can't do it. KG can't do it. All better players than Peja, so unless Peja magically turns into MJ overnight he won't be able to carry this team to a title. With a good core of players (not saying that this one isn't good, our chemistry so far is lacking however and we lack a true post presence), and another star/superstar, we'd have a shot at the title even if we relied on Peja.
Stojakovic said:You're right, but that's not the point. How many guys in this league are truly capable of carrying a team to a ring , or as you say ... how many players are truly capable of successfully awarding their teams with success when they rely on them ? Kobe can't do it. T-Mac can't do it. KG can't do it. All better players than Peja, so unless Peja magically turns into MJ overnight he won't be able to carry this team to a title. With a good core of players (not saying that this one isn't good, our chemistry so far is lacking however and we lack a true post presence), and another star/superstar, we'd have a shot at the title even if we relied on Peja.