Any news about Peja's injury?

AleksandarN · Nov 23, 2005

Zyphen said:

If you do not know how swollen or what condition his hand is in then why are you criticizing him for not play?

Well he did play the whole Sonic's game with the sprained pinky and was doing fine until he got hurt again by Fortson. It is obvious that hit that Fortson did one Pedja caused his condition where he was unable to get any feelings in hand after words. He soft do not get me wrong but what I do not like is people criticizing him for things that are assumed.

It was mentioned earlier in this thread

playmaker0017 · Nov 23, 2005

Zyphen said:

Ya - no one is going to tell me that a spained finger is anywhere close to the effects of a slightly sprained pinky. Here's the buddy system:

Big wrap - buddy system ... hmmm ... comparison? I think not.

Zyphen · Nov 23, 2005

AleksandarN said:

I know what condition his doctor says his hand is in. I know what condition HE says his hand is in. I know his tolerance level for it is less than what other players would have in a similar situation. Unless his constitution is remarkably bad for a pro-athlete (which is further proof of wussdom, just not the kind you can do much about), I think I have a good idea of how his hand is feeling based on my past experiences. The difference is, I would still play with it. And he feels too hampered to do so.

Oh, great. So you take the exaggerations of another poster and run with it as fact? I was seriously thinking maybe I had it wrong, in which case I would have dropped it.

HndsmCelt · Nov 23, 2005

Bricklayer said:

Well you are part right, shooting is over rated, but by the same token it is generaly under utalized. The best example of the proper role for a shooter (Bird is a stastical abnormality) might be Jeff Hornacek. Never the focus of the suns or Jazz offense but had the ablity to spread the floor. This of course has a lot to do with Malone being able to get to the hoop. Of course there were plenty of other factors: Malones considerable talent, Stockton's passing and a string of galoots at the 5 who cleared room but Hornacek required defense no one ever left him open and did not pay for it and when a defender is out in the wings he is in pee poor position to rotate for the double team in the paint and is out of position for rebounds as well.

The point here is this: Pedja despite his softness, his lack of rebounding and a milion other criticims has the ablity to spread the floor like no other player in the NBA and beceause of his size he is not drawing gaurds out as primary defenders, he is drawing out forwards AND the ocasional gaurd for the DOUBLE team. The big problem here of course is the compllet lack of a dominat big man like Malone or Webber for Pedaj to open up the court FOR. SAR could benifit in the near future, time will tell but SAR does not have to be Malone or Webber to put up numbers like they did IF Pedja is torching defenders and drawing the doubles.

Back on topic I personaly do NOT want to see a shooter on the court who can't shoot. Wuse or not it pointless. This is not about Pedja "growing a pair" or toughing it out. He may well be able to play with the pain but if his shots don't fall what does he bring? Not all that happy with Garcia geting the nod in his absence but I understnad the move. I think RA might want to consider swinging bonzi up to the 3 and starting Martin at the 2.

AleksandarN · Nov 23, 2005

Zyphen said:

Hey I was just going by what you said. But he still played through the orginal sprain pinky. So something must changed for him not to play another game, like maybe getting hit hard by Fortson which led to him losing feeling in his hand.

Why would I think that the poster was lying to us.

playmaker0017 · Nov 23, 2005

Zyphen said:

"Slightly sprained."

"Go on without me. I'm just not going to make it."

I mean, seriously. Peja is just going overboard with the injury. I can't feel my hand? I mean, Fortson may have whacked it - but come on!!

Below is an artist rendering of Peja after actually BREAKING his little pinky:

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

thesanityannex · Nov 23, 2005

playmaker0017 said:

wow. you are really getting into this pinky finger debate. you are even posting pictures for clarification. i don't know how often you get injured, but speaking for myself, pain comes in many different forms; dull, sharp, throbbing etc.

you keep saying, "oh, it was a slightly sprained pinky, how painful could that be". i'm injured all the time, and pretty much grew up in the e.r. (ex pro snowboarder, skating, surfing, bmx) some of my worst injuries were the least painful (13 staples in head, didn't know it was cut open for a few runs, broken wrists thought were just sore etc.) some of the smallest, tiny sprains, especially in the fingers can be excrutiatingly painful. point is, you aren't peja and can't feel his pain, therefore you have no right to judge what his pain feels like. go ahead, post as many pictures of tape jobs as you like, it won't convince me you know his pain threshold.

playmaker0017 · Nov 23, 2005

thesanityannex said:

I'm NOT trying to say I know his pain threshold.

I'm saying he has NO pain threshold.

If I were to guess at his pain threshold:
If pain thresholds were values between 0-100, where 50 is the average person. Peja is a 16.

Seriously, you just said it yourself - we don't know his pain threshold. We just know that this injury is NOT enough to bench most players.

Furthermore, the images of taped fingers was to represent how absurd the argument that a sprained pinky is anywhere near as dehibilitating as a broken thumb. It had transcended the Peja argument.

thesanityannex · Nov 23, 2005

playmaker0017 said:

so you know his pain threshold?

Zyphen · Nov 23, 2005

Well, this is getting a bit labored even for me. We're going through a lot of trouble just to say Peja is a wuss. Most everybody agrees with that. We're really all just arguing how big a wuss he is. I mean, I even stated in one of my first posts that I wouldn't want him to play (because he'd wuss out on us). It's not like this argument is about whether or not he should have played (which seems more substantial). It's about how big a wuss he is. If he had gone out and put on a bad performance, he'd be less of a wuss but that's not what we would have wanted in terms of putting our best squad on the floor. If he'd gritted his teeth, defended hard, and took his shots, and generally did all those gritty things he's never done, then he'd be a real man.

playmaker0017 · Nov 23, 2005

thesanityannex said:

In comparison to the rest of the world - yes.

Actually knowing it - no.

There is no way to evaluate it except subjectively. We have to use what we know externally to be the normal reaction to a slight sprain and compare that to Peja.

In that comparison - Peja = Wuss.

rexb_kings · Nov 23, 2005

so back to the question? how's Peja's injury? will he be out for how many days? games? i'll be watching the Warriors/Kings next week and wouldn't want to miss out the opportunity to watch Peja play? Ofcourse i want to see the Kings but Peja is my fav player.

VF21 · Nov 23, 2005

It's gonna be a long, long season...

AleksandarN · Nov 23, 2005

Here is the question for everyone.

Did he miss this game because of the pain he was in or did he miss it because of the swelling of hand and loss of feeling?

BTW here is his direct quote in the Sacbee

That there sounds more like the issue was the loss of feeling in his hand. He did not say anything of pain his was in. This should give a good indication on how he felt about his hand. People seemed to believe that Forston was the one that caused his sprained which is NOT the cause. His hand was sprained in the Bucks game and he had no problem playing after words. He only problem it seemed is when Forston hit him on his sprained hand which cause the loss of feeling in his hand. I really hate it when people assume that he could not play because he sprained his pinky when in fact he played just fine with his sprained pinky untill he got hit by Forston.

AleksandarN · Nov 23, 2005

VF21 said:

Hey we got nothing else to talk about why not kill time.

hts666 · Nov 23, 2005

How pathetic can the Peja bashers actually get? The f'ing article said he couldn't feel his hand, how the hell is someone supposed to shoot the ball without feeling it in his hand? Obviously everybody in this thread is a super human athelete with immeasurable thresholds for pain who have killed 10 men with their bare hands and pleasured 20 supermodels while having their leg surgically removed at the same exact time. But a mere NBA all star like Peja isn't man enough to play with a swollen hand.

VF21 · Nov 23, 2005

hts666 said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people discussing their opinions about Peja and his injury.

What is wrong IMHO is for someone to turn the thread into something else, something that makes one side absolutely right and the other absolutely wrong.

The discussion has continued thus far without it becoming contentious and there's no reason for it to stop... Your comments are inappropriate for this forum. Intelligent debate is always welcome; rabble rousing isn't.

Thank you for understanding...I'm sure you'll understand if I simply delete any further postings in that vein.

Now, can we get back to things like:

That WAS funny!

bozzwell · Nov 23, 2005

playmaker0017 said:

There is clearly nothing wrong with that dude's pinky and/or ring finger. He is clearly a wuss for sporting a wrap.

Stojakovic · Nov 23, 2005

What amazes me is that after 6 years people still have not come to terms with the fact that Peja is not tough...and they still continue to pick at it. I have played soccer all my life, and I have seen a lot of guys like Peja. At the slightest hit they'll go down and cry about pain for ages, while others suck it up and run it off. It gets on your nerves, but eventually you get used to it and accept the fact that people react differently to pain. That is something that cannot, and will not change.

DeAtHrOw · Nov 23, 2005

VF21 said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people discussing their opinions about Peja and his injury.

What is wrong IMHO is for someone to turn the thread into something else, something that makes one side absolutely right and the other absolutely wrong.

The discussion has continued thus far without it becoming contentious and there's no reason for it to stop... Your comments are inappropriate for this forum. Intelligent debate is always welcome; rabble rousing isn't.

Thank you for understanding...I'm sure you'll understand if I simply delete any further postings in that vein.

Now, can we get back to things like:

That WAS funny!

I thought he (Hts666)pretty much summarized this thread

GoGoGadget · Nov 23, 2005

VF21 said:

No kidding.

All this talk of missing/broken/sprained fingers, wrappings and hand meat is doing NOTHING to help with my current bout of boredom.

VF21 · Nov 23, 2005

Still bored?

I thought you were busily torturing the new guy in the office.

D-Mass · Nov 23, 2005

He's not playing again tonight.

Fillmoe · Nov 23, 2005

D-Mass said:

what a shocker

exGrizzly · Nov 23, 2005

I admire Peja's courage and general sensitivity and lack of bravado by admitting that, yes, his pinky is sore, and dammit he's not playing through that throbbing pain, thus lengthening the neverending time he'll have to endure it. He's like a fiinely tuned violin or piano, a champion's tennis racket -- one broken string and he's done for.

This has to be one of my favorite threads in ages. Get well soon, Big Fella.

GoGoGadget · Nov 23, 2005

VF21 said:

Hmmm... I've been single longer than I'm accustomed to, and I'm not dealing with it well. I think that's the root of my boredom.

VF21 said:

Too easy. Got boring.

Also, the wind gets taken out of his sails so easily now that its no longer amusing. Its officially scary, since he's supposed to be replacing a pretty important member of the staff. I've got a feeling he'll figure out very quickly that he's in over his head, will quit, and my plans of working part-time and going back to school will be dashed so that I can step in, save the day and do everyone's job.

Again.

VF21 · Nov 23, 2005

So do you wear the golden bracelets all the time or just at work?

GoGoGadget · Nov 23, 2005

VF21 said:

All the time.

Duh.

Never know when you're going to need them.

slugking50 · Nov 23, 2005

According to several people within and outside the team, Pejas pinky and ring finger are/were easily twice their nomal size and Peja hand was numb. He did shootaround today and felt much better.

Peja is a wuss but his injury was legit.

VF21 · Nov 23, 2005

Peja is out and the team catches fire, showing more TEAMWORK and chemistry than they have all year.

Am I the only one thinking about the irony of this?

Any news about Peja's injury?

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