Any news about Peja's injury?
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There you may be mistaken. What you do not know is that Peja and Geoff have a special relationship. Looked at in the darkest possible fashion one could even say that every player that has opposed or threatened Peja in any way has eventually been..removed. Looking at it in a more rational light, Geoff likes Peja for reasons that go beyond his contributions and will be loathe to move him. May do it. But its no slam dunk especially given the numerous other potential trading pieces on this squad.
Man, you guys are so off base Peja, questioning his heart and all that. He's not great on defense, he's not a great rebounder. Guess what? He's not very athletic. For someone with his level of athletic ability he's a pretty darn good defender. I'm not going to defend his rebounding, but to constantly harp on this as a matter of "heart" and "softness" is just really tiresome.
Peja came into the league a terrible defender, he turned himself into about as good a defender as can reasonably be expected with his athletic ability. That's heart. You don't get to be the best shooter in the world without working relentlessly on your game. He's added step back jumpers, pull ups, turn arounds and now a post game since he's come in the league. That doesn't show heart?
Who the hell cares that he didn't play -- would he have helped the team shooting 1-10 against the Spurs? Doesn't it show some good sense to recognize that he's not going to help the team, even if he obviously knows how a sprained pinky sounds to people?
You can question Peja's game all you want, but all I know is that it's pretty easy to sit around in your pajamas and question Peja's heart.
Peja came into the league a terrible defender, he turned himself into about as good a defender as can reasonably be expected with his athletic ability. That's heart. You don't get to be the best shooter in the world without working relentlessly on your game. He's added step back jumpers, pull ups, turn arounds and now a post game since he's come in the league. That doesn't show heart?
Who the hell cares that he didn't play -- would he have helped the team shooting 1-10 against the Spurs? Doesn't it show some good sense to recognize that he's not going to help the team, even if he obviously knows how a sprained pinky sounds to people?
You can question Peja's game all you want, but all I know is that it's pretty easy to sit around in your pajamas and question Peja's heart.
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A spade is a spade.
NO. Working on your jump shot and other shots is NOT heart ... that's work ethic. They are not necessarily the same thing.
An example of heart is Allen Iverson playing with a broken thumb, and saying "put me in coach".
No. A competitor with heart would NEVER say that he can't help the team. A competitor ALWAYS thinks he can make a difference. A competitor wants to be out on the court with crutches and a fake leg.
Lack of heart is the man that says "ho-hum, I'm a little achy ... so I'm gonna sit this one out guys. We don't really have a chance anyhow, so what's the difference?"
NO. Working on your jump shot and other shots is NOT heart ... that's work ethic. They are not necessarily the same thing.
An example of heart is Allen Iverson playing with a broken thumb, and saying "put me in coach".
No. A competitor with heart would NEVER say that he can't help the team. A competitor ALWAYS thinks he can make a difference. A competitor wants to be out on the court with crutches and a fake leg.
Lack of heart is the man that says "ho-hum, I'm a little achy ... so I'm gonna sit this one out guys. We don't really have a chance anyhow, so what's the difference?"
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You're scaring me.
I can say this much:
If this team ditches Peja ... go ahead and toss the keys to the Princeton Offense out the window (and good riddance). Peja is currently making the offense work. No one else. Our cuts aren't that good, our talents aren't being used ... but Peja is bailing us out with his shot.
So, my guess is ... if we see Peja go, RA is goign to be quick on his heels.
I can say this much:
If this team ditches Peja ... go ahead and toss the keys to the Princeton Offense out the window (and good riddance). Peja is currently making the offense work. No one else. Our cuts aren't that good, our talents aren't being used ... but Peja is bailing us out with his shot.
So, my guess is ... if we see Peja go, RA is goign to be quick on his heels.
Come on... this wasn't the Western Conference Finals, this was a regular season game very early in the season, when Adelman was probably itching to give Garcia extended minutes anyway. You really think Peja would have sat out if it mattered or if the coaches wanted him to go? This was the guy who came back against the Lakers with a badly sprained ankle. Lot of good it did, but he's not exactly a pansy.
And huh, AI always puts himself above the team? Or where does his bit "heart" ultimately lie?
And huh, AI always puts himself above the team? Or where does his bit "heart" ultimately lie?
All I have to say to that is ha! The game is debateable. The lack of heart and softness has been evident since very early on. All that has changed is that there is now little hope that he's going to grow out of it.
And no, woking on your shooting has got nothing to do with "heart". We are talking about two entirely different things. Nor has Peja added much to his game in the last 5 years if that even was your argument.
And no, woking on your shooting has got nothing to do with "heart". We are talking about two entirely different things. Nor has Peja added much to his game in the last 5 years if that even was your argument.
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Did you just compare a BROKEN THUMB to a slightly sprained PINKIE?
A broken thumb is probably the most crippling of all finger injuries. Your thumb is used for EVERYTHING. This is what seperates us from every other animal - our thumb.
Plus, it's jarring. There is nothing you do with your hand that avoids your thumb. You can't splint it to another finger. You can't get it out of the way. The thumb is used for EVERYTHING.
A broken thumb is probably the most crippling of all finger injuries. Your thumb is used for EVERYTHING. This is what seperates us from every other animal - our thumb.
Plus, it's jarring. There is nothing you do with your hand that avoids your thumb. You can't splint it to another finger. You can't get it out of the way. The thumb is used for EVERYTHING.
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If you need your (shooting hand) tumb more then your pinky (or any finger), I think I can help you rid yourself of bricklayer image. 
I have other things on my mind when I take the court.
Just as a gruesome little aside, perhaps the most painful injury I have ever had (and that's saying something) occured when I tried to block a pass from the other teams PG right at his hand and ended up having both the full force of the ball, and then his hand on the follow through, come right through my outstretched thumb, snapping it back almost flush onto my wrist. Being an idiot, I tried to tape it back flush against the rest of my hand and play with a club, but that just wasn't happening.
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bozzwell said:
If you need your (shooting hand) tumb more then your pinky (or any finger), I think I can help you rid yourself of bricklayer image.
Go ahead and tape your pinky to your other finger. Take some shots.
Then tape your thumb to the meat of your hand. Take some shots.
You can't settle the ball into your hand properly. You can't dribble. You can't do much of anything.
Individual fingers are almost replaceable. Your thumb is completely, and totally independant and cannot be replaced.
While your "shot" uses finger motion to get the mechanics, it's hard to get to that point if you can't grip the ball or let it sit properly.
Wrong sport. You tape fingers together in football. In basketball you splinter individual fingers/tumb - unless there is too much swelling. I believe that trainers have "wired" bandages and tape nowadays to almost completely immobilise injured finger on its own.
My comment was meant to be a lighthearted dig at _Bricklayer_ thumbing his shots. No, I can't show him how to grip the ball with messed up tumb. If I could, I would train monkeys to do my chores.
My comment was meant to be a lighthearted dig at _Bricklayer_ thumbing his shots. No, I can't show him how to grip the ball with messed up tumb. If I could, I would train monkeys to do my chores.
You're responding with the notion that pain isn't an excuse but swelling and losing feeling is. You don't think that doesn't happen to everyone with a sprained finger? They're not mutually exclusive events. And his whole hand cause of his pinky? C'mon. He says that because he hasn't felt worse by comparison. Would he faint if it was broken?
It's used to support the ball when you are shooting. Just dribbling would be hard, nevermind shooting.
You really want to pursue this line of discussion? Because you're not going to convince anyone that a broken thumb is better than a sprained pinky except the Peja homers who will take either position depending on which is more advantageous at the time.
You really want to pursue this line of discussion? Because you're not going to convince anyone that a broken thumb is better than a sprained pinky except the Peja homers who will take either position depending on which is more advantageous at the time.
Who cares how much pain he was in, or how much swelling or numbness he had. I don't know and I don't care to. All I know is it was enough that he decided he couldn't play. And number two, players have played with worse and it's a reasonable guess that most would tough out a sprained pinky. He couldn't. Now where is there mention of bruising on the meat of his hand? Because the MRI somehow missed it.
You'd splint the thumb by itself because you have to, like bozzwell said. You won't get the support you need and it'll hurt much worse. But that's how Iverson managed.
Actually, he probably got some meds. So he'll just have to think more about how to position his stump. Go on eyes instead of feel.
Actually, he probably got some meds. So he'll just have to think more about how to position his stump. Go on eyes instead of feel.
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First, the idea was to give an idea of how useless you would eb without usage of the thumb.
Second, proper wrapping of the thumb basically makes it immoble. It's not completely against the hand, but for the sake of usage, it might as well be. The point of taping or wrapping is to prevent motion.
(and that's just to support a sprain)
Second, proper wrapping of the thumb basically makes it immoble. It's not completely against the hand, but for the sake of usage, it might as well be. The point of taping or wrapping is to prevent motion.
(and that's just to support a sprain)