CurseOfTheSalmons
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that's nice. they got stuff we want: our picks, jimmy butler, and taj gibson. however, i'd bet that sportingnews lacks credibility.
Alright, we got the 8th pick, options...
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Letsgokings13
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I want Butler/16 or 19
twslam07
All-Star
I would rather us get Gibson. Cousins, Gibson, Gay would be a very, very good frontcourt. I like the potential of a Gibson and McLemore starting duo vs. Butler and Evans/unknown starting duo.
Gibson is almost as perfect of a compliment as you can get next to Cousins. I would say the only thing he is missing is elite shotblocking abilties, but other than that he's perfect. And even though he is not an elite shotblocker, he is still a very good one (averages 2.0 BPG per36 for his career). McLemore has the potential to be a near perfect compliment to Cousins and Gay as well. He can become a very good three point shooter/off-the-ball specialist, good defender, and get out and run on the fastbreak.
For those reasons, I would much rather us go after Gibson.
Gibson is almost as perfect of a compliment as you can get next to Cousins. I would say the only thing he is missing is elite shotblocking abilties, but other than that he's perfect. And even though he is not an elite shotblocker, he is still a very good one (averages 2.0 BPG per36 for his career). McLemore has the potential to be a near perfect compliment to Cousins and Gay as well. He can become a very good three point shooter/off-the-ball specialist, good defender, and get out and run on the fastbreak.
For those reasons, I would much rather us go after Gibson.
LPKingsFan
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I'm afraid Payton won't be there at 16. And I'm not interested in LaVine. Still, I'd try to squeeze one of the Bulls later picks back in a deal for 8, along with Gibson. Or perhaps Snell. Maybe taking the condition of next year's pick could convince them. Taj is a great fit next to Cousins, but he's not young. Turns 29 shortly.
Hmmmm....16, Snell and take the provision off the pick for 8.....seems reasonable for both sides and Sac could look at Tyler Ennis at 16. He's been under the radar as not blowing teams away in his workouts but maybe he is supposed to be more ready than the other PGs. Snell would make for another young SG who didn't quite shoot well but has good length and defensive capabilities
twslam07
All-Star
True, but Rudy Gay turns 28 shortly. I'm not too worried about Gibson's age since he joined the league when he was 24. He doesn't have as many NBA miles as his age would indicate.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
We're past the point of trying to get as many super young players as possible. 29 is by no means old and Gibson's actually avoided a lot of wear and tear on his body by virtue of having to play behind Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah for most of his career, which in itself started later than most people's. His style of play translates out to a longer career and isn't all that reliant on him being a spry youngster anyways.
Though I'm actually more keen on somehow squeezing Jimmy Butler, unfreezing our pick, and their #19 pick out of it, with their pick turning into Clint Capela. That's a hell of a lot to hope for but I'm greedy and have had an unhealthy mancrush on Jimmy Butler for the last several years.
Cuz
Evans
Gay
Butler
IT
is by no means fantastic but we'd have our defensive stopper in Butler who could compensate for IT's defensive deficiencies. Or if we wanted to get really nasty (or were further unwilling to pay IT) we could stick Ray in at the PG position and have an adept defensive backcourt (and also perhaps the ugliest offense in the NBA).
Is this likely? No. But it's June and one can't help to rosterbate about all the possibilities.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Still not a fan of Snell and don't see the long term value. The Bulls are a natural trading partner given that they have Gibson/Butler/16/19, but I'd be looking for a combination of some sort for 8. 16 might be too far to drop down for my liking as Peyton is likely to be gone, and I'm not sure who else I'm high on that will be available at that spot.
Albatros
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Snell is not a guy who's going to make you better now, at least I doubt it, maybe in 3 or 4 years or maybe not at all. I don't see them dropping the 8 just because they liked him in the draft last time out but who knows.
surely better to try and pry away Butler and a pick or Gibson, two players who will instantly make this team better, if you can take a later pick too, great. Maybe get an Ennis or a Napier down there if you're looking for PG help.
surely better to try and pry away Butler and a pick or Gibson, two players who will instantly make this team better, if you can take a later pick too, great. Maybe get an Ennis or a Napier down there if you're looking for PG help.
upinsmoke
All-Star
True unless a third team gets involved. For example The Sixers have to spend some money just to get to the salary floor and if they draft Imbiid, sit him and tank another year our expirings then have some value to them.
CurseOfTheSalmons
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tony snell REALLY sucks, guys. we should want nothing to do with him. ben mclemore is a better prospect.
can we stop this, please? IT holds his own on the defensive end, and at the very least, he knows what he should be doing on defense and can outscore his opponent. ben mclemore DOES NOT. he can't defend, doesn't know how to defend, and not only can't he outscore his opponent, he can't do ANYTHING better, like rebounding, stealling, assisting, etc. jimmy butler would compensate for BEN MCLEMORE, not isaiah thomas.
can we stop this, please? IT holds his own on the defensive end, and at the very least, he knows what he should be doing on defense and can outscore his opponent. ben mclemore DOES NOT. he can't defend, doesn't know how to defend, and not only can't he outscore his opponent, he can't do ANYTHING better, like rebounding, stealling, assisting, etc. jimmy butler would compensate for BEN MCLEMORE, not isaiah thomas.
No, he really doesn't.
CurseOfTheSalmons
Starter
this is so false. go ahead and show everyone clips of isaiah thomas playing worse defense than ben mclemore. show us isaiah thomas pirouetting and getting faked across the court by simple off-ball movement.
roasthawg
Starter
McLemore was horrendous last season... just awful. Worse than IT in every facet of the game. Doesn't mean IT is a solid defender... he's not. I want IT back, I'm a fan. But he gets paid because of his offense.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Um, how about no? Nobody's going to stop pointing out how weak he is defensively just because you don't like it. Ben sucked last year, doesn't change anything about IT. Ben was a rookie and at least has the tools. He's clearly a weakness though unless he improves. Butler would start ahead of Ben which is why he'd compensate for IT's pourous defense. Not that hard to grasp.
CurseOfTheSalmons
Starter
can you guys watch him play, please? isaiah thomas knows how to play pick and rolls, he can handle switches and off ball movement, he communicates, he reacts quickly, and he tries. for a guy that drops 20 ppg, 6 apg, and is the vocal leader of the team, what he does is absolutely fine at this point in the team's building process. players know they can shoot over isaiah, but they don't salivate like when they're being guarded by ben mclemore or jimmer. this should not even be a topic.
Arguing IT is anything but a bad defender is not going to help your credibility.
Livinthedream
All-Star
It's not about effort. It's about size. If you put a 180lb guy on an NFL defensive line and tell someone he belongs because he has great technique, they'd think you're crazy. Same here. For all of his heart and desire, his physical stature is a hindrance on the defensive end. There is no way around it.
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twslam07
All-Star
You must think just about everyone in the league is a solid defender.
Not to mention the fact that his heart and desire rarely extends to defense. Not sure where that whole myth started but he doesn't consistently fight through screens, recover or rotate with this mythological effort always used to describe him.
Yes, on offense he is all heart. D? Not so much.
You just said IT is an ok defender while saying Snell is a bad defender.....hahaha.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yes, here is why they would want it: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...bson-Snell-Two-Picks-To-Wolves-For-Kevin-Love
Note also, I would 1 million percent put it beyond them to be trying to form up a Big Three of their own. In such a scenario I am no even sure if they could keep Noah. But Rose, swign a trade for Love, then nab Melo as a FA. IT possible. But they have to dump salary like mad.
twslam07
All-Star
If they shed every other contract except Rose, Love, and Noah in order to sign Melo, they will have around $16 mil before hitting the cap. Is that enough? Possibly. You would have to sell him on playing with a contender.
randymoss1881
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This better not be true I would be all over 8 for Afflalo unless we are holding out for there 12.
"The Magic have also been trying to both move up and get another lottery pick. They've offered Nos. 4 and 12 and Afflalo to the Cavs and Bucks, but so far, no takers. They've also used Afflalo as bait to get a pick from the Kings at No. 8 and the Nuggets at 11, but so far, no deal."
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1329175#p40169293
"The Magic have also been trying to both move up and get another lottery pick. They've offered Nos. 4 and 12 and Afflalo to the Cavs and Bucks, but so far, no takers. They've also used Afflalo as bait to get a pick from the Kings at No. 8 and the Nuggets at 11, but so far, no deal."
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1329175#p40169293
You're way late to the party on this one. The plus/minus aspects of IT have been debated ad nauseum...and beyond. No one is faulting IT for his prowess on offense. What people are saying about his defense, however, is irrefutable. He's a liability because he's short. Period. No matter how hard he tries, he is not going to be able to guard some players effectively because of his stature. It's not about his heart, or his talents or anything but his physical limitations. Much like trying to play Jon Brockman at the 5...
What people need to do is go one step further at realgm and note where they found the rumor.
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