Alright, we got the 8th pick, options...

jdbraver said:
Fartlayer, that would be a scary lineup. We would almost certainly average less than one pass per pos.
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I cannot even imagine what sort of synaptic disconnect would make you think its a good idea to just come out of nowhere and attempt another unprovoked petty personal insult? Is this just offseason boredom or some deeper emotional issue?

That's just not intelligent, and you will of course now stop.

To whatever degree that little things like facts and knowledge make a difference in your life and opinions, you may want to go take a look at the per 100 possessions data I posted on the main board over the last 4-5 days. Check SGs, pan down until you hit Reke. Pan over to the fourth column. Compare to every other SG in that list. Then you can get back to us, presumably without calling anybody a turdnose or buttlips.
 
jdbraver said:
But gerbil is ok? I'll apologize and stop should you do the same.
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While your defense of our glorious leader is breathtakingly noble, there was no part of the previous statement that indicated a negotiation. You simply have to stop, and our furry friend will just have to shrift for himself. Doing something competent draft day will be a nice start.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I'm just disappointed nobody's ever called me "Capt. Fartorial". I suppose I need to work on that.
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Well I think you could have real potential as a detail oriented niggler if you really worked on it, but the real key might be finding you a more insufferably arrogant looking exclamation point for your avatar.
 
Thought I'd post this because it is an interesting mock draft. Granted it is from bleacher, but here it is:

#1 Joel Embiid, Cavs
#2 Jabari Parker, Bucks
#3 Andrew Wiggins, 76ers
#4 Dante Exum, Magic
#5 Noah Vonleh, Jazz
#6 Arron Gordon, Celtics
#7 Marcus Smart, Lakers
#8 Elfrid Payton, Kings
The last time the Sacramento Kings passed on a mid-major point guard for a high-profile power forward, they drafted Thomas Robinson and watched Damian Lillard emerge into a star for someone else.

This year, the hot point guard prospect is Elfrid Payton, who's generating all sorts of buzz during his workouts, including the one he had in Sacramento.

Payton, who at 6'4" with dangerous athleticism for a ball-handler, has eye-opening two-way upside—more than 5'9", 25-year-old Isaiah Thomas, who the Kings will likely have to overpay for in restricted free agency.

Having recently turned 20 years old, Payton is almost a year younger than most juniors. And he had a breakout season averaging 19.2 points, six boards, 5.9 assists and 2.3 steals per game. Payton is also a terrific defender—he was honored as the Lefty Driesell Defensive Player of the Year in 2014.

The Kings could go with Julius Randle here, but between the foot concerns and the fact that Carl Landry and Jason Thompson are both under contract for at least two more seasons—not to mention they just acquired Derrick Williams—there's risk and overcrowding at the 4.

Payton is a bit of a reach at No. 8, but if this is the guy they like, and they have plenty of reason to, he could certainly be the pick.

#9 Doug McDermott, Hornets
#10 Julius Randle, 76ers
#11 Dario Saric, Nuggets
#12 Nik Stauskas, Magic
#13 Adreian Payne, T-Wolves
#14 Zach LaVine, Suns
#15 Rodney Hood, Hawks
#16 Gary Harris, Bulls
#17 James Young, Celtics
#18 Jusuf Nurkic, Suns
#19 Tyler Ennis, Bulls
#20 Kyle Anderson, Raptors
#21 Clint Capela, Thunder
#22 TJ Warren, Grizzlies
#23 PJ Hairston, Jazz
#24 Jordan Clarkson, Hornets
#25 Jordan Adams, Rockets
#26 Shabazz Napier, Heat
#27 Cleanthony Early, Suns
#28 Mitch McGary, Clippers
#29 KJ Daniels, Thunder
#30 Glenn Robinson III, Spurs

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So would everyone be happy with us drafting Elfrid Payton and passing on Julius Randle?
 
Mike said:
Thought I'd post this because it is an interesting mock draft. Granted it is from bleacher, but here it is:

#1 Joel Embiid, Cavs
#2 Jabari Parker, Bucks
#3 Andrew Wiggins, 76ers
#4 Dante Exum, Magic
#5 Noah Vonleh, Jazz
#6 Arron Gordon, Celtics
#7 Marcus Smart, Lakers
#8 Elfrid Payton, Kings
The last time the Sacramento Kings passed on a mid-major point guard for a high-profile power forward, they drafted Thomas Robinson and watched Damian Lillard emerge into a star for someone else.

This year, the hot point guard prospect is Elfrid Payton, who's generating all sorts of buzz during his workouts, including the one he had in Sacramento.

Payton, who at 6'4" with dangerous athleticism for a ball-handler, has eye-opening two-way upside—more than 5'9", 25-year-old Isaiah Thomas, who the Kings will likely have to overpay for in restricted free agency.

Having recently turned 20 years old, Payton is almost a year younger than most juniors. And he had a breakout season averaging 19.2 points, six boards, 5.9 assists and 2.3 steals per game. Payton is also a terrific defender—he was honored as the Lefty Driesell Defensive Player of the Year in 2014.

The Kings could go with Julius Randle here, but between the foot concerns and the fact that Carl Landry and Jason Thompson are both under contract for at least two more seasons—not to mention they just acquired Derrick Williams—there's risk and overcrowding at the 4.

Payton is a bit of a reach at No. 8, but if this is the guy they like, and they have plenty of reason to, he could certainly be the pick.

#9 Doug McDermott, Hornets
#10 Julius Randle, 76ers
#11 Dario Saric, Nuggets
#12 Nik Stauskas, Magic
#13 Adreian Payne, T-Wolves
#14 Zach LaVine, Suns
#15 Rodney Hood, Hawks
#16 Gary Harris, Bulls
#17 James Young, Celtics
#18 Jusuf Nurkic, Suns
#19 Tyler Ennis, Bulls
#20 Kyle Anderson, Raptors
#21 Clint Capela, Thunder
#22 TJ Warren, Grizzlies
#23 PJ Hairston, Jazz
#24 Jordan Clarkson, Hornets
#25 Jordan Adams, Rockets
#26 Shabazz Napier, Heat
#27 Cleanthony Early, Suns
#28 Mitch McGary, Clippers
#29 KJ Daniels, Thunder
#30 Glenn Robinson III, Spurs

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So would everyone be happy with us drafting Elfrid Payton and passing on Julius Randle?
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I would not have a problem drafting Payton but you would hope that if he is really the player we want, then we would trade down. Randle is definitely NBA player, a safe pick but he just does not fit with our franchise player.

I would prefer to trade the pick for a proven veteran who can help us win now.
 
Mike said:
Thought I'd post this because it is an interesting mock draft. Granted it is from bleacher, but here it is:

#1 Joel Embiid, Cavs
#2 Jabari Parker, Bucks
#3 Andrew Wiggins, 76ers
#4 Dante Exum, Magic
#5 Noah Vonleh, Jazz
#6 Arron Gordon, Celtics
#7 Marcus Smart, Lakers
#8 Elfrid Payton, Kings
The last time the Sacramento Kings passed on a mid-major point guard for a high-profile power forward, they drafted Thomas Robinson and watched Damian Lillard emerge into a star for someone else.

This year, the hot point guard prospect is Elfrid Payton, who's generating all sorts of buzz during his workouts, including the one he had in Sacramento.

Payton, who at 6'4" with dangerous athleticism for a ball-handler, has eye-opening two-way upside—more than 5'9", 25-year-old Isaiah Thomas, who the Kings will likely have to overpay for in restricted free agency.

Having recently turned 20 years old, Payton is almost a year younger than most juniors. And he had a breakout season averaging 19.2 points, six boards, 5.9 assists and 2.3 steals per game. Payton is also a terrific defender—he was honored as the Lefty Driesell Defensive Player of the Year in 2014.

The Kings could go with Julius Randle here, but between the foot concerns and the fact that Carl Landry and Jason Thompson are both under contract for at least two more seasons—not to mention they just acquired Derrick Williams—there's risk and overcrowding at the 4.

Payton is a bit of a reach at No. 8, but if this is the guy they like, and they have plenty of reason to, he could certainly be the pick.

#9 Doug McDermott, Hornets
#10 Julius Randle, 76ers
#11 Dario Saric, Nuggets
#12 Nik Stauskas, Magic
#13 Adreian Payne, T-Wolves
#14 Zach LaVine, Suns
#15 Rodney Hood, Hawks
#16 Gary Harris, Bulls
#17 James Young, Celtics
#18 Jusuf Nurkic, Suns
#19 Tyler Ennis, Bulls
#20 Kyle Anderson, Raptors
#21 Clint Capela, Thunder
#22 TJ Warren, Grizzlies
#23 PJ Hairston, Jazz
#24 Jordan Clarkson, Hornets
#25 Jordan Adams, Rockets
#26 Shabazz Napier, Heat
#27 Cleanthony Early, Suns
#28 Mitch McGary, Clippers
#29 KJ Daniels, Thunder
#30 Glenn Robinson III, Spurs

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So would everyone be happy with us drafting Elfrid Payton and passing on Julius Randle?
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If that is the guy they think is right and others are off the board, then they should take him. The risk with trading down and taking him is missing out on him. Having great defense out of the PG position would be great. Having length out of the PG position would be great. The top of that mock looks pretty accurate based on "reports".
 
Mike said:
Thought I'd post this because it is an interesting mock draft. Granted it is from bleacher, but here it is:
has eye-opening two-way upside?
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If that's true (not saying it's not) why he is not a lock to be a top 5-10 pick how many other PG's that are 6'4 have two way upside other than John Wall, MCW GoatBrook and Livingston there's no one else.

He has the size and seemingly has great potential I guess MCW in a pee weak draft was the 11th pick
 
I believe the issue with Payton is that his shooting sucks?

Unless Ben turns it around, a Payton/McLemore backcourt will be cringe worthy...Bricking everything.

I say **** it and draft him anyways. A lot of scouts are saying his upside is Rondo. Might as well swing for the fences with 8.


Edit: Although if we CAN trade down for Payton, and also get a vet or late 1st (Kyle Anderson!)...That would obviously be best case.
 
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Mike said:
So would everyone be happy with us drafting Elfrid Payton and passing on Julius Randle?
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I think most likely if we are really targeting Payton we will trade down to get him. The way this draft is shaping up, it appears to have eight obvious players at the top - none of which are Payton. (That's not to say Payton might not end up better than several of the top-8, just that there's a near-consensus top-8.) At least one of those top-8 players, whether it's Smart or Gordon or Vonleh or Randle is going to be available at #8, and somebody else is definitely going to want that player. Maybe we can snatch #14 and #18 out of Phoenix (and still be reasonably sure that Payton will last to #14). Maybe we can swap out #8 for Philly's #10 and get a couple of second-round picks with it (I mean, they clearly have enough). In fact, something like the #8 for Philly's #10, #32, and #39 would make a lot of sense if we weren't in love with the top-8 guy left for us.
 
gunks said:
I believe the issue with Payton is that his shooting sucks?

Unless Ben turns it around, a Payton/McLemore backcourt will be cringe worthy...Bricking everything.

I say **** it and draft him anyways. A lot of scouts are saying his upside is Rondo. Might as well swing for the fences with 8.
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Given our current roster, it would mean a stretch 4 at the PF position.
It's not exactly what I would prefer, but if the perimeter is (hopefully) a little more stout with solid defense at the 1 and, gulp, 2, and reliable at the 3/5, then I suppose that would have to be the move. That all depends on either Ben stepping up, which is possible, or getting a 3&D SG in free agency.
 
Staukas is looking better and better to me. Really hoping we resign IT and can cross pg off our list as him and Ray Mac can hold it down for the next several years. Looking at our roster if IT is resigned our biggest hole would be at sg and or sf depending on Gay. McLemore may or may not turn a corner next year but either way Staukas is a guy that can contribute. Our sg position was awful last year and needs to be upgraded.
 
Mike said:
Thought I'd post this because it is an interesting mock draft. Granted it is from bleacher, but here it is:

#1 Joel Embiid, Cavs
#2 Jabari Parker, Bucks
#3 Andrew Wiggins, 76ers
#4 Dante Exum, Magic
#5 Noah Vonleh, Jazz
#6 Arron Gordon, Celtics
#7 Marcus Smart, Lakers
#8 Elfrid Payton, Kings
The last time the Sacramento Kings passed on a mid-major point guard for a high-profile power forward, they drafted Thomas Robinson and watched Damian Lillard emerge into a star for someone else.

This year, the hot point guard prospect is Elfrid Payton, who's generating all sorts of buzz during his workouts, including the one he had in Sacramento.

Payton, who at 6'4" with dangerous athleticism for a ball-handler, has eye-opening two-way upside—more than 5'9", 25-year-old Isaiah Thomas, who the Kings will likely have to overpay for in restricted free agency.

Having recently turned 20 years old, Payton is almost a year younger than most juniors. And he had a breakout season averaging 19.2 points, six boards, 5.9 assists and 2.3 steals per game. Payton is also a terrific defender—he was honored as the Lefty Driesell Defensive Player of the Year in 2014.

The Kings could go with Julius Randle here, but between the foot concerns and the fact that Carl Landry and Jason Thompson are both under contract for at least two more seasons—not to mention they just acquired Derrick Williams—there's risk and overcrowding at the 4.

Payton is a bit of a reach at No. 8, but if this is the guy they like, and they have plenty of reason to, he could certainly be the pick.

#9 Doug McDermott, Hornets
#10 Julius Randle, 76ers
#11 Dario Saric, Nuggets
#12 Nik Stauskas, Magic
#13 Adreian Payne, T-Wolves
#14 Zach LaVine, Suns
#15 Rodney Hood, Hawks
#16 Gary Harris, Bulls
#17 James Young, Celtics
#18 Jusuf Nurkic, Suns
#19 Tyler Ennis, Bulls
#20 Kyle Anderson, Raptors
#21 Clint Capela, Thunder
#22 TJ Warren, Grizzlies
#23 PJ Hairston, Jazz
#24 Jordan Clarkson, Hornets
#25 Jordan Adams, Rockets
#26 Shabazz Napier, Heat
#27 Cleanthony Early, Suns
#28 Mitch McGary, Clippers
#29 KJ Daniels, Thunder
#30 Glenn Robinson III, Spurs

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So would everyone be happy with us drafting Elfrid Payton and passing on Julius Randle?
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I haven't seen Payton play, other than video. Randle seems the safer pick, but if they pick Payton I'm game. Whether he is perceived as a "reach" or not is immaterial to me. If the guy can play, he can play. And in this draft the guy at #8 could be no different than the guy at #16, so it makes the talk of "reaching" that much more immaterial.

On the mock draft, I'll believe Gordon to the Celtics when I see it.
 
I don't see the Kings passing on any PF prospect they like just because for now we are over loaded at the 4 and here's why. JT can play the backup 5 and Reggie Evans, Quincy Acy and Derrick Williams (not really a 4) are all essentially expiring contracts after this coming season.
 
I'd have no issue drafting Payton, but this is assuming that Smart is off the board. If he is, then sure, let's get Payton!
 
If we do end up trading down and end up with an extra 1st round pick, Adrian Payne is an interesting player who can stretch at the 4 and also shot block
 
Who the hell is Elfrid Payton? That post from Mike is seriously the first time i have ever seen or heard his name. Overseas guy?
 
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