Alright, we got the 8th pick, options...

Bricklayer said:
Sure it is. You always take a shot at greatness. It might not work, but the year of it not working would still be interesting and injuries aside, the best Kings season in the last 8 at least. And if it DOES work, you are superstar set for a long time if Love resigns with us now a young playoff team.
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Gay/Love/Cousins would surely cause some major problems for opposing teams, as well as look pretty funny together on the score card o_O.

Although i'm not sure if we would be able to stop anyone from scoring. Kind of like the current Houston Rockets and Portland squads.
 
HereWeVivek said:
I just read on Yahoo that we are willing to trade our 8th pick plus players for Kevin Love, with no assurance that he will stay here after the season (Spoiler alert, he won't)

o_O

Can't say i wouldn't sit back and enjoy the one season of Love/Cousins front court. But i can't say i think it's worth it to give up our 8th pick and some other pieces to rent him for a year
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I'd give it a shot if it means moving some of the other contracts as well. Cuz, Love and Gay frontline would not suck to watch for one year.
 
dude12 said:
I'd give it a shot if it means moving some of the other contracts as well. Cuz, Love and Gay frontline would not suck to watch for one year.
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sure wouldn't. But i doubt Rudy is still here.

and we would be losing the #8 pick (Randle, Gordon, Smart,Vonleh) and probably Ben McLemore :(
 
John Galt said:
Does Ben have more perceived value than IT? Maybe he does but I wouldn't think so. I want to cash in on IT's big season if possible - why "sell low" after Ben's slow start?
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If Isaiah still had a couple years left on his rookie deal then you could potentially argue Isaiah. But taking into account contracts, Ben has more value. Plus they would go into ultimate tank mode, which also gives Ben more value IMO.
 
John Galt said:
Does Ben have more perceived value than IT? Maybe he does but I wouldn't think so. I want to cash in on IT's big season if possible - why "sell low" after Ben's slow start?
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IT is a free agent. We can't trade him, at least not until the free agency period starts several weeks after the draft. And you would have to convince him he wanted to go to Minny, then do a sign and trade with all the other pieces moving...meanwhile other teams would be trying to dive in.

Our lack of planning to this whole thing really hasn't left us with great moveable assets right now. In the other thread I posted the absolute best we can offer. Hard to imagine its better than anybody else will offer.
 
randymoss1881 said:
It won't matter Minnesota will get a better offers than Ben/8/ray that won't even be the best offer in California.
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The thing about that is that I doubt the Lakers make an offer for Love this season. They know that if he stays in Minnesota, they can simply have him for nothing in the offseason, and have a new core of Him + Lottery Pick + Zombie Kobe, whereas if they had to make a package deal for him this season, they'd wind up with less assets to put around him (We're talking several years of draft picks/ any young talent the Lakers have on their roster). In other words, sure they get Love but they also get several more years of sucking eggs as Kobe's career fizzles out like a wet match.

With Love making no secret of his eagerness to test the free agent market in 2015, it places the Minnesota T-Wolves in an awful negotiating position where everyone knows that they have to get better in order to keep their star but years of having David Kahn lead their front office has left them with a whole lot of pieces that aren't exactly the most moveable and not enough space to make a move for another impact player. As currently constructed, that roster is mired in mediocrity and hovering around the 42-45 win mark, which in the western conference is outside the playoff picture AND there aren't many teams willing to make a blockbuster move for a guy who isn't going to give assurances of being on their squad long-term and is available for cheaper next year.

By outright stating that we are willing to trade our pick plus assets for Love, we're pretty much calling the T-Wolves bluff. Do you risk not being able to make a big improvement and miss the playoffs, thus losing your centerpiece for nothing? Or do you cut your losses and start the rebuild now before the market craters out?

Thanks to the last several years of the Maloof era and the fact two of our biggest assets are free agents this year, we're kinda limited as to what we can offer for Love, which in this case might actually be to our benefit. Obviously, we cannot trade next year's pick thanks to the Hickson trade, which means it'll have to be a package of 8th overall pick this year plus players. And since we're most likely not going to want to trade the best center in the NBA for a possible one year rental, I'm assuming Demarcus is off the table, meaning Ben McLemore and the expiring contracts of Jason Terry, Derrick Williams, and Travis Outlaw become our best remaining assets. A package of some of those things mixed together isn't awesome by any means but it's not something an NBA GM would immediately hang up on.

And, given the unique Love situation, unless they're syphilitic or going through late stage dementia, I honestly don't see many NBA GMs offering much more than we can at this point in time.
 
Tetsujin said:
The thing about that is that I doubt the Lakers make an offer for Love this season. They know that if he stays in Minnesota, they can simply have him for nothing in the offseason, and have a new core of Him + Lottery Pick + Zombie Kobe, whereas if they had to make a package deal for him this season, they'd wind up with less assets to put around him (We're talking several years of draft picks/ any young talent the Lakers have on their roster). In other words, sure they get Love but they also get several more years of sucking eggs as Kobe's career fizzles out like a wet match.

With Love making no secret of his eagerness to test the free agent market in 2015, it places the Minnesota T-Wolves in an awful negotiating position where everyone knows that they have to get better in order to keep their star but years of having David Kahn lead their front office has left them with a whole lot of pieces that aren't exactly the most moveable and not enough space to make a move for another impact player. As currently constructed, that roster is mired in mediocrity and hovering around the 42-45 win mark, which in the western conference is outside the playoff picture AND there aren't many teams willing to make a blockbuster move for a guy who isn't going to give assurances of being on their squad long-term and is available for cheaper next year.

By outright stating that we are willing to trade our pick plus assets for Love, we're pretty much calling the T-Wolves bluff. Do you risk not being able to make a big improvement and miss the playoffs, thus losing your centerpiece for nothing? Or do you cut your losses and start the rebuild now before the market craters out?

Thanks to the last several years of the Maloof era and the fact two of our biggest assets are free agents this year, we're kinda limited as to what we can offer for Love, which in this case might actually be to our benefit. Obviously, we cannot trade next year's pick thanks to the Hickson trade, which means it'll have to be a package of 8th overall pick this year plus players. And since we're most likely not going to want to trade the best center in the NBA for a possible one year rental, I'm assuming Demarcus is off the table, meaning Ben McLemore and the expiring contracts of Jason Terry, Derrick Williams, and Travis Outlaw become our best remaining assets. A package of some of those things mixed together isn't awesome by any means but it's not something an NBA GM would immediately hang up on.

And, given the unique Love situation, unless they're syphilitic or going through late stage dementia, I honestly don't see many NBA GMs offering much more than we can at this point in time.
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Agree with all of that, but an additional point that can be made is how many teams will be willing to play ball IF Love doesn't give them a guarantee. Can't imagine that list is a very a long one. We, being the brilliantly run team that we are, have come out loud and clear and more or less said "we don't care" if he doesn't give us a guarantee.
 
Sac.Kings said:
Agree with all of that, but an additional point that can be made is how many teams will be willing to play ball IF Love doesn't give them a guarantee. Can't imagine that list is a very a long one. We, being the brilliantly run team that we are, have come out loud and clear and more or less said "we don't care" if he doesn't give us a guarantee.
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I don't see a huge market for Love. By coming out and saying "Here Twolves, come take the 8th pick" we've basically set the market price for him. And for a team that wants to rebuild and move on, a lottery pick in an extremely deep draft is worth it's weight in gold. I'd certainly rather have that than some other veteran so Minny can go win 38 games again next season.

I don't see any team wanting to spend their lottery pick without a guarantee from Love. They really can't afford to do so.

By putting this out there, it says we want to go all-in next season. No more screwing around with development and young players. Our playoff push happens next year or we go down burning in flames while watching Love and Gay walk out the door.
 
Tetsujin said:
The thing about that is that I doubt the Lakers make an offer for Love this season. They know that if he stays in Minnesota, they can simply have him for nothing in the offseason, and have a new core of Him + Lottery Pick + Zombie Kobe, whereas if they had to make a package deal for him this season, they'd wind up with less assets to put around him (We're talking several years of draft picks/ any young talent the Lakers have on their roster). In other words, sure they get Love but they also get several more years of sucking eggs as Kobe's career fizzles out like a wet match.
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The Lakers need to get Love this off season because Kobe's biological clock is expiring, they need to do something big to convince Gasol to stay, they promised Kobe they'll bring in reinforcement, and if they wait another year many decent to good players (including Gasol) will walk and there is no guarantee Love will come to La La Land for a rebuilding team.
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smellfungus said:
Who's going to top 8/Ben?

Ben, 8, Thompson, Williams or Landry is a pretty good offer.
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Plenty of teams could. Its really not much of an offer. Ben's value has been damaged, the 8th pick is just outside prime range in this draft. Its really hard to see it being tops UNLESS it ends up being tops simply because we show the biggest balls, and make the deal even without any guarantee, while other teams who could offer more are scared to pull the trigger without the same.
 
Already seeing names like Klay Thompson and Beal being thrown around. Don't think we have a chance but at least our guys are trying to make something happen.
 
i guess if he walks, we have a crapload of capspace with big free agents on the market. landy has to be included in this deal.
 
Where exactly does it say that Love is adamant on not giving assurances to some team that he will resign with them?

If this Kings deal goes down, then conceivably Love would sign with the Kings prior to knowing whether Gay is opting in or out?
 
Kingster said:
Where exactly does it say that Love is adamant on not giving assurances to some team that he will resign with them?
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it doesn't, but it's more than a fair assumption that kevin love would only offer "assurances to some team that he will re-sign with them" if said team is an outright contender. he wants to win; he's said so on multiple occasions, and he's cautioned minnesota that this day would come if they failed to build a winning team around him (KAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHN!!!!!)...

so why would love assure the sacramento kings--a small market franchise coming off of eight straight losing seasons--that he would re-sign with them when he has refused to offer similar assurances to the timberwolves--a small market franchise coming off of ten straight losing seasons, but one that at least sniffed the .500 mark last season? would he feel that he was trading up from the longest active streak outside of the playoff picture for the second longest active streak outside of the playoff picture? ;)

kevin love knows he is a superstar; he knows he is a very wanted man around the nba. and, like many top tier talents in his situation, testing free agency is an extremely attractive notion. short of being traded to a contender, or possibly to a flashy big market team like the lakers, i can't imagine that kevin love will forego the opportunity to test the free agent market in 2015. that said, most teams in a position to trade for kevin love will be taking a big risk; it's just a matter of determining which team is willing to pull that trigger without any guarantees. interestingly enough, it sounds like the kings are one of those teams...
 
Padrino said:
it doesn't, but it's more than a fair assumption that kevin love would only offer "assurances to some team that he will re-sign with them" if said team is an outright contender. he wants to win; he's said so on multiple occasions, and he's cautioned minnesota that this day would come if they failed to build a winning team around him (KAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHN!!!!!)...

so why would love assure the sacramento kings--a small market franchise coming off of eight straight losing seasons--that he would re-sign with them when he has refused to offer similar assurances to the timberwolves--a small market franchise coming off of ten straight losing seasons, but one that at least sniffed the .500 mark last season? would he feel that he was trading up from the longest active streak outside of the playoff picture for the second longest active streak outside of the playoff picture? ;)

kevin love knows he is a superstar; he knows he is a very wanted man around the nba. and, like many top tier talents in his situation, testing free agency is an extremely attractive notion. short of being traded to a contender, or possibly to a flashy big market team like the lakers, i can't imagine that kevin love will forego the opportunity to test the free agent market in 2015. that said, most teams in a position to trade for kevin love will be taking a big risk; it's just a matter of determining which team is willing to pull that trigger without any guarantees. interestingly enough, it sounds like the kings are one of those teams...
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This trade is about Minn accepting not KLove. Small markets have to gamble. Have to hope his additions gets us to playoffs and he is intrigued by new stadium. Then hopefully he will stay.
 
Padrino said:
short of being traded to a contender, or possibly to a flashy big market team like the lakers, i can't imagine that kevin love will forego the opportunity to test the free agent market in 2015. that said, most teams in a position to trade for kevin love will be taking a big risk; it's just a matter of determining which team is willing to pull that trigger without any guarantees. interestingly enough, it sounds like the kings are one of those teams...
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And that's why this idea scares me. I can see it going down like this: Kings trade #8/Ben for Love, Rudy looks at that and says, "Hey, give it a year" and opts in. Salarywise we're hurting a bit and somebody offers IT $9M, so we let him walk. That leaves us going forward into 2014-2015 with Cuz/Love/Gay and literally nobody but McCallum at guard. We pick up a cheap, vet, no-name backcourt since we don't have any money to spend. We push our way into the #7-8 seed. Then at the end of '14-'15, just like he said, Love bolts for a big market. Gay reads the tea leaves and bolts. Our draft pick goes to the Bulls. And our team, going into our final season in Sleep Train, is Cousins, McCallum, and nothing. Nada. Zip. Just a bunch of cap space and maybe an MLE guy we picked up last year.

The crash-and-burn potential is really really high here.
 
ESP47 said:
Already seeing names like Klay Thompson and Beal being thrown around. Don't think we have a chance but at least our guys are trying to make something happen.
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Well, to be more precise you are seeing names like Klay and Beal being thrown around as guys those teams don't want to give up. And since those teams don't have lottery picks and aren't planning on returning to the lottery for a long time, if they aren't willing to give something up...

I think we have little shot of making a Love deal given how weak our own assets are. But if we have any shot at all it would be precisely because we are the more determined/risk taking actor, and while we might not have great assets we are willing to throw everything we do have into the deal, whereas maybe other teams with more to lose hold back and try to half ass it.
 
I think, if any two offers are considered the 'same' in the Wolves eyes, the Kings will get the benefit of being a bad team here. Sacramento is the perfect place for the Wolves to send Love if it's not outside the Western Conference.

A bottom of the NBA franchise that everyone is already saying Love won't resign with. If Love comes here and bolts after one season, the Wolves look better for pulling the trigger. Everyone wants to look smart.
 
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