God no, not in this draft. Theres a very realistic chance the elite 4 in this draft being the best player ever in Sacramento history. And while Vivek is probably a bottom 5 owner, do I really care if we upgrade to the 19th best owner over the 27th? Give me the franchise altering talent
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God no, not in this draft. Theres a very realistic chance the elite 4 in this draft being the best player ever in Sacramento history. And while Vivek is probably a bottom 5 owner, do I really care if we upgrade to the 19th best owner over the 27th? Give me the franchise altering talent
Light it up
G-League
I'd like to retain Ellis if possible, but not sure why we need to ship Keegan out if Ellis is gone.
On a side note, I know the majority want to do a full rebuild thru the draft. My big concern is that would rely on Perry being able to draft well and history has shown he is pretty terrible at drafting. He has a bit better track record making trades but drafting is not a strength for him.
Padrino
All-Star
Agreed. Franchise-altering talent can overcome incompetent ownership. Just look at the Clippers before Donald Sterling's ouster. Or the Knicks of James Dolan's latter day tenure. Even the worst owners in sports get lucky from time to time.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
My answer was more in jest. This draft is loaded and would love to get another 1-2 1st. Ideally that, unload longer term salary and get a younger player back
TaxMan
Starter
I really don't see a scenario where we get two unprotected FRPs for Sabonis. I'm thinking maybe it's 1 unprotected and a second heavily protected. If we take on Williams' contract I think that's how you get to the second unprotected FRP and the pick swap.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Again, what pick and where? We just saw last year, it's not some unfathomable thing to get into the back end of almost any draft, lol.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Not for the Kings but what do you think about a trade between Nawlins and Golden State:
Zion for Kuminga, Moody Horford and a first round pick.
Why for the Pels? They end the failed Zion era and run out a lineup of Fears/Herb/Murph/Kuminga/Queen. That’s got an interesting mix of talent.
Why for the Warriors? They are running out of time and this is a low cost move. If it works they could rise up the standings, if it fails at least you took a big swing instead of fading into the sunset.
Zion for Kuminga, Moody Horford and a first round pick.
Why for the Pels? They end the failed Zion era and run out a lineup of Fears/Herb/Murph/Kuminga/Queen. That’s got an interesting mix of talent.
Why for the Warriors? They are running out of time and this is a low cost move. If it works they could rise up the standings, if it fails at least you took a big swing instead of fading into the sunset.
I like it for New Orleans -- I'd tune in to watch that lineup fly up and down the court. I don't know that the Warriors are desperate enough to take on 2 and a half years of paying Zion not to play, but they appear to have already written off Kuminga and there's a chance Zion helps them to win one playoff series before spraining something so I can kindof see the logic there for them.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
If I remember correctly there are a bunch of health related outs in Zion’s contract so I believe they could cut him loose.
Unless Giannis is an option in the offseason I just can’t think of many difference makers that could give Golden State one last chance. Zion seems like a worthy bet if it’s just one pick
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Ya this is pretty much a no brainer
Jdbraver137
Starter
Not sure why 76ers would trade a cheap contract.
I'm sadly driving Keon to the airport and waving goodbye to him with a tear in my eye as the plane takes off, but i'd still do this. Especially with us no longer have team control of Keon
QWERTYLICIOUS
Starter
If I were Golden State, I'd pass on this for the same reasons I've always wanted the Kings to stay away from Zion.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I get it but It’s low risk high reward. If it fails you gave up 1 first round pick and you can cut him. If it works you have a real chance to win a championship. I’d rather take a high risk swing at a low cost than mortgage their future in a deal for say Lauri. A deal like that would cost all your future capital. Now, if Giannis wants to come? Sure I’d take a swing there.
Steph
Melton
Jimmy
Zion
Draymond
That’s a lot of proven playoff performers and high end talent.
I realize that Jared McCain is a local kid so that part of this is cool, but other than that I'm not sure why there's so much enthusiasm for swapping him in for Keon Ellis. As I recall McCain is really more of an undersized 2 -- his playmaking skills are not especially impressive nor does he have a great handle to break down defenders and get to the basket. So then you look at Keon Ellis being slightly longer, a better defender, a better career 3pt shooter, and this seems like a downgrade to me. McCain doesn't solve our SG log jam or provide us with a lead playmaker. Ellis is 4 years older, but other than that he looks like the better player.
Also we really only have a 23 game sample of McCain looking good during his rookie year before he got injured. Since he returned from injury he's been pretty bad. He should bounce back, probably, but we know who Ellis is in the NBA at this point while with McCain we really don't. He may end up being a less athletic version of Malik Monk.
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Joshyjosh31
Starter
We don’t have a SG log jam and Ellis won’t be here next year so why not take the chance on n McCain
Because Keon Ellis is probably better?
Also... I consider Devin Carter and Nique Clifford both primary SGs, hence the log jam. McCain and Ellis play the same position but McCain is less effective as a defender and so far this season has not re-discovered his outside jumper. We'd be buying into the idea that we can fix him or that he's not fully healthy yet. I get it if our front office is dead set on moving Ellis regardless, but this just speaks even further to how undervalued Ellis has been by our front office, coaching staff, and fans.
I mean, youre not paying attention if you think I want Keon traded.
Im more reading the tea leaves that we dont value him at all as an org. So at this point, if the extension is off the table, go get me a good asset in return, which I think McCain is.
Keon is better right now, sure, but he's cost controlled and I think he's got real upside as a creator
I know that you don't want Keon traded -- you made that clear in your post -- I was just responding to the general idea that McCain for Ellis would be considered a talent upgrade for us. McCain's value is tied to his shooting but Keon has also been a knockdown shooter so far in his career (last 5 games aside) and unlike McCain he's also a plus defender. I liked McCain as a prospect -- just looked it up and I had him ranked 14th in that draft. He briefly had Rookie of the Year buzz after a hot start but the sum total of his NBA output so far suggests he may settle in as a solid starter with some positional mismatch issues due to his size or a good sixth man scoring role which is maybe not the steal some fans are envisioning here.
There's this thing which happens (probably true of every fanbase) where we tend to get exasperated with our situation and stop looking at players objectively. I would bet that most Sixers fans are doing the same thing -- they're comparing McCain to Ellis statistically and saying they'll drive McCain to the airport themselves if he can land them a player like Keon Ellis. The situation sucks -- if we're trying to recover something from Keon before he departs in Free Agency though that was a problem Scott Perry created himself. Needlessly I would add. And I don't think we're going to have a cap space issue here after some vets are traded, so the salary savings part of this idea doesn't factor in for me.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Why would ellis being better matter the guy isn’t resigning to a team that’s practically benched him. Carter is playing in the GLeague there’s zero reason to pencil him in our future rotation he’s headed down the same path as Ellis. If all theee players reach close to there ceiling then McCain and Carter definitely can play together coming off the bench and Nique could start. All three could even play together in lineups considering Nique could defend up
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Stop teasing us. Cruel. Everyone knows we are stuck with Lavine
The problem is I hate the package they can offer. Gotta do some more homework and make it a 3-team deal
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Yeh id rather have a giant expiring next year than take on longer deals. If we get a third team involved they are the ones that will get the asset.
To me it should be:
A) Trade for a player or asset we want
B) Trade for expirings (hello Clippers)
C) keep and figure out off season/next year
Jdbraver137
Starter
If they did their homework they wouldn’t take LaVine.
BuddyBuckets
Bench
Did the kings brass not just see Keon play minutes and get 6 steals with great defense? This guy should be starting. We arent getting a 1st after the way we mismanaged his contract. Just resign him, if you want to trade him do it next year when he has 3 years on his deal.
And please bucks, be dumb enough to take lavine.
Lastly deebo for Collins no sweetener needed. Saves 10 million next year and we can buy out Collins now.
And please bucks, be dumb enough to take lavine.
Lastly deebo for Collins no sweetener needed. Saves 10 million next year and we can buy out Collins now.
Jdbraver137
Starter
Anyone with a BuddyBuckets nickname shouldn’t talk about defense. Though yes, Keon is worth more than a 2nd rounder.
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