ParniValjak
All-Star
Clutching at straws much?!
Would you? Reke for Rondo.
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Clutching at straws much?!
Not unless straws stands for things Kings fans forget about.
roasthawg
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One of those trades where if it happened I'd be excited and if it doesn't happen I'll be content. Tyreke has the bigger upside, is younger, and has the better attitude. Rondo is the better player and has a set position. I think Reke's biggest downside (jumper aside) is the fact that he can play three positions but isn't ideally suited to any single one. Imo pg is his best spot but it just so happens that another one of our top five guys (IT) plays that spot. So for now Reke will flounder at the three and try to adjust his game. Normally you should build around a guy like Reke and adjust your team to him... not vice versa. But oh well.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
If triple-doubles were the end-all-be-all, Brad Miller would be one of the top centers of all time
UK_King
Starter
Sorry, just thought i'd mention it.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
lol i think its comical that people think Reke is better then Rondo. Or having Reke would be better. Reke does one thing good !!! Right handed layups, and after 3 years he still hasnt learned anything new... It terms of basketball smarts hes on the opposite side of the spectrum of Rondo.
14,10,5.5, and good defense on a winning club.... smh.
14,10,5.5, and good defense on a winning club.... smh.
Fear the Putin
Starter
He can't shoot, but neither can reke. The only minus is he can't shoot free throws. For a pg, that is a major blow. But, the way he controls the offense and runs the break is just beautiful.
And unlike reke, he doesn't seem to be at cruise control at times.
And unlike reke, he doesn't seem to be at cruise control at times.
steelevt
All-Star
whatever, no need to be sorry. triple doubles are worth mentioning, especially if the player of topic is someone we're discussing about trading for. it's just that posters way of putting down someone who is not on our team. IT almost gets a triple double and the forum goes crazy, rondo almost gets 20/20/20 and it's no big deal to some people
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
whatever, no need to be sorry. triple doubles are worth mentioning, especially if the player of topic is someone we're discussing about trading for. it's just that posters way of putting down someone who is not on our team. IT almost gets a triple double and the forum goes crazy, rondo almost gets 20/20/20 and it's no big deal to some people
It would be of more significance if we wre proposing trading Kevin Martin for him. Since the proposal is trading a guy who is a threat to go for a triple double every night himself though, its just sort of a shrug. Rondo is good. SO IS REKE. That's the part that has been lost on too many Kings "fans".
Did the same thing to Webber. Same thing to Adelman. Get dissapointed and blind and bitter and grass is always greener envious of everybody else. Its really not a very impressive trait for a fanbase.
UK_King
Starter
None of that applies to me. I'm a big fan of Rondo and I'm a big fan of Tyreke.
I was watching and enjoying the knick v Boston game and thought, "i wonder if anyone else is watching" so i posted that quick comment while i did.
you really got shot down on here for saying almost anything, it's a shame because i love talking about basketball but a lot of the time when i post on here i feel nervous, it's like sitting an exam. Such a hostile atmosphere.
I was watching and enjoying the knick v Boston game and thought, "i wonder if anyone else is watching" so i posted that quick comment while i did.
you really got shot down on here for saying almost anything, it's a shame because i love talking about basketball but a lot of the time when i post on here i feel nervous, it's like sitting an exam. Such a hostile atmosphere.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Didn't mean for my comment to be hurtful. Just saying that sometimes we get a little carried away with numbers.
(Pretty sure I still remember people getting their panties up in a bunch about how we should have kept Tony Delk as our starting PG after he dropped 51 on us)
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Just cause some of us aren't "Reke Superfans" dosent make us any less of a Kings fan. We just want what we think would be best to win a championship. Or to see ANY success at all..
The flaw in your triple double theory is Reke gets "close" on a losing team, rarely winning in the process.
Rondo does it on a winning team.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
But for how long and for how much. And how long before Rondo and Cousins collide in a supernova-level implosion of epicness?
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Don't defend yourself or feel nervous. You are dealing with bunch of know it alls (some more than others) and if you don't agree with them you will be met with a snarky, condescending response. Gets real old.
Dreadnought
Bench
Rondo was on the verge of a 20/20/20 game. You do this trade immediately. Tyreke is no Derrick Rose and we should stop thinking that.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I happen to like Rondo a lot. But put him on Detroit and this statment would be met with guffaws.
He's a huge upgrade as a playmaker. He's a considerable downgrade as an offensive threat. The rebounding is similar, althoguh Rondo is small and will probably fall off a bit as the athelticsm fades. Rondo is a better PG defender. On the other hand he is much less versatile and too small to guard any other position. One guy is 14.3pts 5.4reb 10.2ast 1.6stl 0.1blk 3.7 TO can't shoot = GOD! The other guy is 17.1pts 5.1reb 5.1ast 1.3stl 0.6blk 2.9TO can't shoot = one dimensional! One guy is in his prime and as good as he's going to get. The other guy should still be in college. Rondo at Reke's age BTW was 10.6pts 4.2reb 5.1ast 1.7stl.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Is it not possible to present your point, without calling people who happen to disagree with you homers or blind. I'm neither a homer, nor blind, and I'm also not a big fan of Rondo's for various reasons, some of which I posted. Such as his disruptive attitude, which is no small thing. But mainly, because I don't agree with you that Tyreke won't acheive the same level that Rondo has. Tyreke is only 22 year old and Rondo is 26 years old.
Now you may be sure that Rondo would be huge upgrade over Tyreke, but I'm not. Sorry! If you want to argue that Rondo is a better PG than Tyreke, then I'll agree. But if you want to argue that Rondo is a better basketball player than Tyreke, and always will be, we're in disagreement. As I've said before, I don't care what you call Tyreke, he's a special talent. And I suspect that in four years, when he Rondo's current age, he'll be a lot better player than he is now, and a better player than the then 30 yr old Rondo.
I can't prove my point, but neither can you. That makes neither of us blind. Just in disagreement.
Mass
Starter
I've read all the posts, and I'd like to give you my opinion. I don't see anyone being 100% wrong or right. I can understand those who are saying that Rondo would be a big upgrade over Tyreke. They see him going for almost 20/20/20 last night, so it's obvious someone could think he is such a great player.
Personally, I'm not sold on that. I really like Rondo, he is a great point guard, very quick, one of the better passer and a very solid defender. He plays bigger than his size (look at his wingspan) and he is a real general on the floor. But, and this is a big "but", I think Tyreke has the potential to be better than Rondo when he reaches his prime. Rondo is playing in a real system, with great veterans and a good coach. This helps a lot. I believe that if you put Rondo in Charlotte or Washington, he would not be the kind of player he is right now. He is great as a 3rd/4th option, but he will never be a great 1st/2nd option. So, I'm not going to give up a 22-year-old Tyreke Evans who could be our 2nd best player, for him.
I'm not ready to give up on Tyreke yet. We could really regret this decision in 3/4 years. I could trade him only if we had a shot at a Chris Paul kind of player, on a long contract of course. But for now, let's be patient with him. Give him a real coach, someone who can use his skills in an organized offense. Someone who could teach him how to move without the ball. Be clear on what you expect from him. He can't keep switching from PG to SG to SF. If he needs to be a PG, play him at PG. If you want him at SG (and I think this should be his role), play him at SG. Get a real PG and a good SF, so he won't have to guard SFs anymore. I'm pretty sure that he would look much better, just doing these things.
Personally, I'm not sold on that. I really like Rondo, he is a great point guard, very quick, one of the better passer and a very solid defender. He plays bigger than his size (look at his wingspan) and he is a real general on the floor. But, and this is a big "but", I think Tyreke has the potential to be better than Rondo when he reaches his prime. Rondo is playing in a real system, with great veterans and a good coach. This helps a lot. I believe that if you put Rondo in Charlotte or Washington, he would not be the kind of player he is right now. He is great as a 3rd/4th option, but he will never be a great 1st/2nd option. So, I'm not going to give up a 22-year-old Tyreke Evans who could be our 2nd best player, for him.
I'm not ready to give up on Tyreke yet. We could really regret this decision in 3/4 years. I could trade him only if we had a shot at a Chris Paul kind of player, on a long contract of course. But for now, let's be patient with him. Give him a real coach, someone who can use his skills in an organized offense. Someone who could teach him how to move without the ball. Be clear on what you expect from him. He can't keep switching from PG to SG to SF. If he needs to be a PG, play him at PG. If you want him at SG (and I think this should be his role), play him at SG. Get a real PG and a good SF, so he won't have to guard SFs anymore. I'm pretty sure that he would look much better, just doing these things.
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Hoovtrain
All-Star
Well said
Kingster
Hall of Famer
There is currently a HOFer on the staff who is thought by some to be the best mid-range shooter this game has ever seen. Does that qualify as a real coach? If Tyreke can't use this real coach to benefit his shooting over this season and the summer, may we then say that the Tyreke experiment has failed? I'm all for giving it one more college try with Tyreke over the summer, but not for years into the future.
Not everyone who was a good player can necessarily teach.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
I think there is a real chance Tyreke could reach Rondo's level someday. Obviously this would be with a different skill set, so its hard to compare .. but I think Rondo is an of and on all-star (some years he'll make it, some years he won't) and Tyreke could be THAT someday.
I just think there is something to be said about the things Rondo would bring to this team, at his age and skill level RIGHT NOW. I think his winning history and attitude can help change the culture of our team. 'Bad attitude' rumors aside, Rondo leading this team would make us a legit threat. It would put Sacramento back on the NBA map. It would tell the league that we are ready to compete. I think that matters in the NBA. Confidence is so important .. a guy like Rondo would make everyone better, it would give our players confidence in who has the ball (I think this is something we lack, I don't think the players trust our current ball handlers) I also think Rondo makes this team a much, much more attractive place for free agents. He's second in the NBA in assists. Between Tyreke and IT we are just about the worst passing team in the league. What non ball-dominant player is going to CHOOSE to come into this situation?
I know its been said a lot around here by people who's opinions I've grown to respect quite a bit. Its time to win now. It really is. The days of a top 5 pick are over, the big young talent is already here. If it takes Tyreke (who as the primary ball handler is the most important piece to us winning) 4-5 more years to figure this point guard thing out.. isn't that just too long? For the fan base, for Demarcus, for our inability to lure free agents .. don't we need to win sooner than that?
And if Tyreke ISN'T the primary ball handler, which I think would be an absurd waste of talent .. then how valuable is he?
I love Tyreke, but I think its time to make our splash. And if your opinion is that you think that would be 'jumping the gun' thats fine. I can respect that. I just feel otherwise.
I just think there is something to be said about the things Rondo would bring to this team, at his age and skill level RIGHT NOW. I think his winning history and attitude can help change the culture of our team. 'Bad attitude' rumors aside, Rondo leading this team would make us a legit threat. It would put Sacramento back on the NBA map. It would tell the league that we are ready to compete. I think that matters in the NBA. Confidence is so important .. a guy like Rondo would make everyone better, it would give our players confidence in who has the ball (I think this is something we lack, I don't think the players trust our current ball handlers) I also think Rondo makes this team a much, much more attractive place for free agents. He's second in the NBA in assists. Between Tyreke and IT we are just about the worst passing team in the league. What non ball-dominant player is going to CHOOSE to come into this situation?
I know its been said a lot around here by people who's opinions I've grown to respect quite a bit. Its time to win now. It really is. The days of a top 5 pick are over, the big young talent is already here. If it takes Tyreke (who as the primary ball handler is the most important piece to us winning) 4-5 more years to figure this point guard thing out.. isn't that just too long? For the fan base, for Demarcus, for our inability to lure free agents .. don't we need to win sooner than that?
And if Tyreke ISN'T the primary ball handler, which I think would be an absurd waste of talent .. then how valuable is he?
I love Tyreke, but I think its time to make our splash. And if your opinion is that you think that would be 'jumping the gun' thats fine. I can respect that. I just feel otherwise.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Case in point..PW.
Mass
Starter
No, it doesn't. Being a great shooter doesn't mean you are a great teacher. And when I say he needs a real coach, I mean a real head coach. Right now, 95% of the times he attacks 1 vs 1, from the dribble. He needs someone able to teach him how to move without the ball, how to use the screens, how to use backdoors and all this stuff. He would be much better if he learns to play off the ball. These are skills that requires a lot more work than improving a jump shot.
To do that, he needs a great coach/teacher. Is Smart the right person? I hope so, but I'm not sure. He has never had a teacher in his NBA career. He always had the freedom to do pretty much whatever he wanted on the offensive end. I'm not sure this is a good thing for him.
