Whis into the job once Natt is gone?
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Basketball's Sad Lexicon:
These are the saddest of possible words: Muss'man to Theus to Natt
Trio of coaches and each one a turd: Muss'man to Theus to Natt
Adelman stand-ins who won't cut down his net
Now it appears the Maloofs might hire Whisenant
Little experience, but hey, he's the shizznit...
Muss'man to Theus to Natt.
These are the saddest of possible words: Muss'man to Theus to Natt
Trio of coaches and each one a turd: Muss'man to Theus to Natt
Adelman stand-ins who won't cut down his net
Now it appears the Maloofs might hire Whisenant
Little experience, but hey, he's the shizznit...
Muss'man to Theus to Natt.
Devil's advocate...
So how did the Van Gundy's (Jeff and Stan) qualify? Neither of them played in the NBA either, as far as I know, I could be wrong. What would it take to equal "proven NBA knowledge" when any would-be coach has to start somewhere?
Why not me?
I'm wildly unqualified too, have absolutely no experience in the NBA, have proven absolutely nothing at any level even remotely appropriate to the NBA. But hey, I know the game, and I too would be willing to bury my nose as far up Maloof behind as I could jam it in return for a multimillion dollar a year job. So why not me if that's the standard?
Whisenant's NBA resume is completely nonexistent. In fact his college resume is almost nonexistent, and the last thing he did at any level other than the WNBA was 25 years ago. Oh, I forgot, he coached his son's AAU team in there too.
I'm serious -- I'm going to be pissed off if the Maloofs give the job to this guy instead of me. I'm younger, smarter, of course much better looking, won't have the WNBA thing hanging over my head getting us called the Queens, and if any player gives me any gruff I'll give him a swift kick right where you don't want a swift kick. In fact right about now I am thinking someboyd needs to deliver one of those to the Maloof brothers as well. And maybe their mom, as I seem to recall her having a crush on Whiz or some such form back the first timie we had to go through this crap.
I'm wildly unqualified too, have absolutely no experience in the NBA, have proven absolutely nothing at any level even remotely appropriate to the NBA. But hey, I know the game, and I too would be willing to bury my nose as far up Maloof behind as I could jam it in return for a multimillion dollar a year job. So why not me if that's the standard?
Whisenant's NBA resume is completely nonexistent. In fact his college resume is almost nonexistent, and the last thing he did at any level other than the WNBA was 25 years ago. Oh, I forgot, he coached his son's AAU team in there too.
I'm serious -- I'm going to be pissed off if the Maloofs give the job to this guy instead of me. I'm younger, smarter, of course much better looking, won't have the WNBA thing hanging over my head getting us called the Queens, and if any player gives me any gruff I'll give him a swift kick right where you don't want a swift kick. In fact right about now I am thinking someboyd needs to deliver one of those to the Maloof brothers as well. And maybe their mom, as I seem to recall her having a crush on Whiz or some such form back the first timie we had to go through this crap.
To be honest I don't think he'd be any worse than Muss, Theus or Natt and he'd be a hell of a lot better than Brick (sorry Brickie ).
I don't think that any elite coach is going to take on this mess, and I'm not so sure a top-tier prospect would want it either if any decent job opens up in the offseason, and I'm sure a few of those will as they always do.
I think the real question is are we better off giving a chance to Whiz or taking on a retread mid-tier guy like Paul Silas (just throwing a name out), but a guy who has done a decent job with not ready for prime-time teams for a few years, righting the ship, getting young guys playing time and then handing the reigns over when the team is ready for a real coach.
).I don't think that any elite coach is going to take on this mess, and I'm not so sure a top-tier prospect would want it either if any decent job opens up in the offseason, and I'm sure a few of those will as they always do.
I think the real question is are we better off giving a chance to Whiz or taking on a retread mid-tier guy like Paul Silas (just throwing a name out), but a guy who has done a decent job with not ready for prime-time teams for a few years, righting the ship, getting young guys playing time and then handing the reigns over when the team is ready for a real coach.
Jeff: Being an NBA assistant coach for 6.5 years, making it to the playoffs every season, and coaching under Pitino, Riley and Nelson, then being promoted to head coach (where he stayed for 10.5 years), qualifies as NBA coaching experience, I believe. His teams only missed the playoffs in 1 year, and his NBA career winning percentage is 57.5. His prior background: his dad had been a college coach, and he coached a few years in college also, making it to the final 4 in his best year.
Stan: Played in college, coached college for 8 years. Like Jeff, was an assistant under Riley, who he worked under for 8 years, and was named head coach when Riley abruptly resigned before the start of the season. Taking a roster that had won 25 games, he led them to 42 wins and into the second round of the playoffs. In 5 years as an NBA head coach, has never had a losing season, and has a career record of .636.
So, while I'm not really clear on what the question was, I'm thinking that maybe the answer is: be a college coach, work your way up to NBA assistant, and be an NBA assistant for over 6 years before getting tried out as head coach in the NBA. If you then constantly win, win, win, you're doing like the VG brothers.
Stan: Played in college, coached college for 8 years. Like Jeff, was an assistant under Riley, who he worked under for 8 years, and was named head coach when Riley abruptly resigned before the start of the season. Taking a roster that had won 25 games, he led them to 42 wins and into the second round of the playoffs. In 5 years as an NBA head coach, has never had a losing season, and has a career record of .636.
So, while I'm not really clear on what the question was, I'm thinking that maybe the answer is: be a college coach, work your way up to NBA assistant, and be an NBA assistant for over 6 years before getting tried out as head coach in the NBA. If you then constantly win, win, win, you're doing like the VG brothers.
The guy has at least graced the sidelines and knows the game of basketball. I don't get the huge backlash here, didn't back then, and certainly don't know. In actuality he's probably the most "qualified" candidate we've had in the last few years. I mean, what's the fear here??? That we're going to regress into the laughing stock of the league? Uh, hate to tell you guys.....already there!
Does it really matter at this point what coach is chosen if all there is to choose from is the ever so tired list of leftover assistants? What's it going to do, make us worse than we are under Kenny Natt!? The only other guys I could see being considered for the job would be guys like Avery Johnson (who apparently is getting paid for the next year or two to sit at home!) and Eddie Jordan (who is probably the favorite IMO but once again, he's getting paid to sit at home!). Not to mention the kind of money each would command. Now if an established coach is interested, available, is a choice of Petries, and we end up with Whis because of his ties to the Maloofs then that I can understand, by all means, fire away! As currently constructed however, I think what better time then to step outside the box and throw something else against the wall and see if it sticks. And for those not wanting this guy as coach simply because he coached women and tremble with fear at the thought of :gasp!!!: being called "Queens" fans, give me a break.
Does it really matter at this point what coach is chosen if all there is to choose from is the ever so tired list of leftover assistants? What's it going to do, make us worse than we are under Kenny Natt!? The only other guys I could see being considered for the job would be guys like Avery Johnson (who apparently is getting paid for the next year or two to sit at home!) and Eddie Jordan (who is probably the favorite IMO but once again, he's getting paid to sit at home!). Not to mention the kind of money each would command. Now if an established coach is interested, available, is a choice of Petries, and we end up with Whis because of his ties to the Maloofs then that I can understand, by all means, fire away! As currently constructed however, I think what better time then to step outside the box and throw something else against the wall and see if it sticks. And for those not wanting this guy as coach simply because he coached women and tremble with fear at the thought of :gasp!!!: being called "Queens" fans, give me a break.
To be honest I don't think he'd be any worse than Muss, Theus or Natt and he'd be a hell of a lot better than Brick (sorry Brickie ).
I don't think that any elite coach is going to take on this mess, and I'm not so sure a top-tier prospect would want it either if any decent job opens up in the offseason, and I'm sure a few of those will as they always do.
I think the real question is are we better off giving a chance to Whiz or taking on a retread mid-tier guy like Paul Silas (just throwing a name out), but a guy who has done a decent job with not ready for prime-time teams for a few years, righting the ship, getting young guys playing time and then handing the reigns over when the team is ready for a real coach.
).I don't think that any elite coach is going to take on this mess, and I'm not so sure a top-tier prospect would want it either if any decent job opens up in the offseason, and I'm sure a few of those will as they always do.
I think the real question is are we better off giving a chance to Whiz or taking on a retread mid-tier guy like Paul Silas (just throwing a name out), but a guy who has done a decent job with not ready for prime-time teams for a few years, righting the ship, getting young guys playing time and then handing the reigns over when the team is ready for a real coach.
Sorry Boothman.
Hold on there....SVG played college ball? Why am I picturing Ron Jeremy with a headband?
In any case, I think you can be a good coach without having played the game, but you definitely need the experience at various levels, especially the NBA. Were the Whiz an assistant for someone at the NBA level for a few years, I'm sure there would be less complaining.
In any case, I think you can be a good coach without having played the game, but you definitely need the experience at various levels, especially the NBA. Were the Whiz an assistant for someone at the NBA level for a few years, I'm sure there would be less complaining.
It's not like this team is on the verge of great playoff success and they need a proven leader to push them over the top. What this team needs is a legitimate teacher. Not a disciplinarian, not an ego-stoking former star who wants to make a name for himself. Adelman was successful I think because he took his ego out of it and said "I'm just here to coach basketball." And he was good at it. He didn't need to be the man. Musselman, Theus, and Natt all seemed to be waging some kind of "me vs. them" power struggle instead of just coaching the team. I think we could do without that. Seriously, how many times do Geoff and the Maloofs need to say "play the kids" before that actually happens?
For those reasons, I'm not entirely against the idea of Whis being the coach. If he has the right system, the patience to teach it to these players, and the confidence of the front office than maybe he is the right man for the job. But I hate the implication that the spot is his to lose simply because he's already involved with this organization and plans A, B, and C have failed. That's just pathetic. Let the guy have another interview, but please bring in some other candidates. Tom Thibodeau in particular who's gotten rave reviews from former coaches and All-Star players as a defensive guru. At least hear what he has to say. Nobody wanted to even interview Larry Brown last year and he's quietly turning the Charlotte Bobcats into a respectable team. There are lots of other candidates out there (including two former "coach of the year" winners) who at least merit consideration.
For those reasons, I'm not entirely against the idea of Whis being the coach. If he has the right system, the patience to teach it to these players, and the confidence of the front office than maybe he is the right man for the job. But I hate the implication that the spot is his to lose simply because he's already involved with this organization and plans A, B, and C have failed. That's just pathetic. Let the guy have another interview, but please bring in some other candidates. Tom Thibodeau in particular who's gotten rave reviews from former coaches and All-Star players as a defensive guru. At least hear what he has to say. Nobody wanted to even interview Larry Brown last year and he's quietly turning the Charlotte Bobcats into a respectable team. There are lots of other candidates out there (including two former "coach of the year" winners) who at least merit consideration.
I thought we were done with this kind of ridiculous crap after Theus. What a joke. I can't wait for another KHTK lecture from Gavin on general business principles and how their "business experience" helps guide their decision-making. Business rule #1: If you don't know what the hell you are doing, hire someone who does and get out of their way.
At this point I don't care. If they hire him, I'd like to see who he picks as his assistants. If he is more of the director, and brings in people that can coach offense & defense, it could be an improvement over the last 3 yrs. Worst case, he exactly what everyone expects and we get another top 5 pick next yr. Best case, he does for the Kings the same thing he did for the Monarchs.
Coachie is aging. Mentally sharp but physically unable to stand the rigors of an 82 game NBA season. Consultant who works with the rookies, yes. Doesn't always travel with the team, yes. Mentor to the coaches, yes. Full time assistant fulfilling all the duties required by the head coach, no.
Coachie is aging. Mentally sharp but physically unable to stand the rigors of an 82 game NBA season. Consultant who works with the rookies, yes. Doesn't always travel with the team, yes. Mentor to the coaches, yes. Full time assistant fulfilling all the duties required by the head coach, no.
This kills me. Normally, I love out of the box thinking; however, there is a relatively proven NBA model for a good coach (largely involving previous NBA head coaching or assistant coaching experience). The Maloofs ignored this rule hiring a college coach and failed miserably and now want to duplicate this mistake by hiring a WNBA coach. This is not meant to be sexist or disrespectful to the WNBA. I'm a huge UCLA fan, but would hate if the Kings hired Ben Howland too. Quite frankly, any coach without recent NBA pedigree as a coach or assistant is hedging our bets towards failure. Now not all NBA assitants work out (see Natt, Kenny), but get a laid back guy, with NBA experience, who can make good gameplans and quick decisions and control a locker room and you are increasing your odds of success exponentially. It's like hitting on a 13 in Blackjack - you can still bust, but your odds are still in your favor (depending on what the dealer has showing of course).
Especially with a vast number of qualified candidates out there this summer. This would be an extreme dissapointment.
Especially with a vast number of qualified candidates out there this summer. This would be an extreme dissapointment.
The timing of this got me thinking. Lots of Natt is not coming back talk and today the Whis report. It could be they threw this out there to test the waters again. See what the fan reaction is like before the actual search begins. They want to see how it may impact season ticket sales too.
I am 100% against it. They should have turned it over to him this year instead of Natt so this talk could be dont with and we can move on already.
I am 100% against it. They should have turned it over to him this year instead of Natt so this talk could be dont with and we can move on already.
If we don't want former head coaches, I'm more for Shaw or Thibodeau as likely choices to move up from an NBA assistant coach position.
Altho, I must admit, I'm starting to think we should just hire Whiz and get it over with, get it out of the Maloofs' head. My only fear is that he won't be good, but he might be good enough to fool the Maloofs into deluding themselves that he's on the way up, when he's really reached the top at mediocre. The Maloofs seem to delude themselves quite a bit.
Altho, I must admit, I'm starting to think we should just hire Whiz and get it over with, get it out of the Maloofs' head. My only fear is that he won't be good, but he might be good enough to fool the Maloofs into deluding themselves that he's on the way up, when he's really reached the top at mediocre. The Maloofs seem to delude themselves quite a bit.
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