Whis into the job once Natt is gone?
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My lord. Only in Kingsland can you be finishing off a 16-58 season and have the morons who created the mess find a way to threaten to make it even worse.
You have to love the implied "decisionmaking" process there -- unable to make an intelligent basketball decision like any remotely rational team, instead the owners agree that if they get their pet nepotistic favorite (Whiz) then Geoff can have his pet nepotistic favorite (Carril) and we can all be laughingstocks together, but hey at least we get to work with friends you know?
At least we won't have to worry about using up our cap space on a FA -- if I was a player around the league I'd tell my agent not to even take our calls.
You have to love the implied "decisionmaking" process there -- unable to make an intelligent basketball decision like any remotely rational team, instead the owners agree that if they get their pet nepotistic favorite (Whiz) then Geoff can have his pet nepotistic favorite (Carril) and we can all be laughingstocks together, but hey at least we get to work with friends you know?
At least we won't have to worry about using up our cap space on a FA -- if I was a player around the league I'd tell my agent not to even take our calls.
Indeed!
WTF are Joe and Gavin thinking!?! They said their first priority was to get a better product on the floor and put butts in the seats....well, THAT WONT CUT IT! Why not hire Avery Johnson?? Hell, I'd almost be in favor of JVG, if it meant not hiring Ole' Whiz. Yeah...I can hear it now...'Okay, C'mon ladies, lets bring it in!' This is nausiating!
edit: I all of a sudden LOVE Kenny Natt, and wholeheartedly endorse bringing him back next year!
WTF are Joe and Gavin thinking!?! They said their first priority was to get a better product on the floor and put butts in the seats....well, THAT WONT CUT IT! Why not hire Avery Johnson?? Hell, I'd almost be in favor of JVG, if it meant not hiring Ole' Whiz. Yeah...I can hear it now...'Okay, C'mon ladies, lets bring it in!' This is nausiating!edit: I all of a sudden LOVE Kenny Natt, and wholeheartedly endorse bringing him back next year!
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THIS from the nucklehead Maloof's makes about as much sense as hiring Slamson for the job.
Unnceremoniously letting Adelman go was strike one, going gaga over Muss strike two, dumping Theus strike three instead of just letting him finish this season - on the way to compete oblivion if they now decide to take A WHIZ.
Unnceremoniously letting Adelman go was strike one, going gaga over Muss strike two, dumping Theus strike three instead of just letting him finish this season - on the way to compete oblivion if they now decide to take A WHIZ.
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I dont get it...what would be the problem with just bringing in Ole' Whiz as an assistant?? He could take care of the defensive duties and Coachie could handle the offense like the champ that he is...I just dont get it. If there's going to be any chance of an ex-WNBA coach gaining NBA respect, you would think that hiring him as an assistant would be the most palatable thing to do, but none of us know what the HELL is going through Joe and Gavin's minds anyway, so who KNOWS what they'd do after they hire Ole' Whiz?!? Hearing about 'white lines' is going to give me a cluster headache very soon, I have a feeling...
I don't think Coachie wants the excess grind that comes with head coaching duties. I'm all for having him as an assistant. As for the Whiz, well, after the laughter dies down, I guess we'll see if he can deal with the male egos in the NBA. The WBNA is easier in a sense in that the ladies buy into the team concept a lot better, which is a majority of the battle. However, with this being a young and relatively ego-free team, I guess it's worth a gamble. If this is going to open up into a "who should be the coach" thread, then I can offer suggestions, but for now, I'll just play devil's advocate - if he can make the transition, run this team, and control egos, I think he'll be fine.
If they were going to do this, I wish they would have done it 2 years ago so it would be over with by now. If not that, why not just hire him for this year after they fired Reggie to see how he handles it?
Next year we'll have 3 consecutive lottery picks (likely all starting) and 3 more rookie contract guys on the team. It's time to start trying to put this all together and begin the upswing. This is not a move in that direction.
Next year we'll have 3 consecutive lottery picks (likely all starting) and 3 more rookie contract guys on the team. It's time to start trying to put this all together and begin the upswing. This is not a move in that direction.
He has no shot, none.
And if you think this team does not have egos, and ego problems...
The Maloofs and Whisenant aren't interested in him being exposed until he's already got the head coaching job in hand -- hence no trial runs. No assistant coahcing gigs. No preparation. Just slimy backroom whispering and maneuvering for a multimillion dollar retirement package courtesy of the Sacramento fanbase. He is an old unqualified family friend. Everyone knows it, and the players will know it instantly, as will their agents, and all their friends. And if Geoff were somehow to construct a team full of such yesmen that they would accept it with a straight face, I don't want any of those weenies on the team either.
They might as well just hire him at this point.
Its obvious that the Maloofs wont be satisfied until their guy gets a shot, and their isn't a coach alive who can turn this group of players into a great defensive presence. No matter who we hire, we're not going to have a top 10 defensive team, which will always leave the window open for the Maloofs to bring in their "defensive genius".
Let Whis come in next year, and if we still suck we still suck, then we move on. Otherwise, we run the risk of showing improvement the next couple years, getting tothe 35-40 win range again, and then bringing in Whis to magically fix whatever defensive woes we have at the time, losing whatever momentum we may have, and leaving us stuck in 35-40 win mediocrity.
Since this Whiz thing isn't going to go away, we stand to lose a lot less by trying it this year as opposed to sometime in the future. At this point we can't get any worse, which won't always be the case. Worst case this way we get another top 5 pick, the Maloofs learn their lesson, and we get back on the right track while everyone is still young and cheap.
Its obvious that the Maloofs wont be satisfied until their guy gets a shot, and their isn't a coach alive who can turn this group of players into a great defensive presence. No matter who we hire, we're not going to have a top 10 defensive team, which will always leave the window open for the Maloofs to bring in their "defensive genius".
Let Whis come in next year, and if we still suck we still suck, then we move on. Otherwise, we run the risk of showing improvement the next couple years, getting tothe 35-40 win range again, and then bringing in Whis to magically fix whatever defensive woes we have at the time, losing whatever momentum we may have, and leaving us stuck in 35-40 win mediocrity.
Since this Whiz thing isn't going to go away, we stand to lose a lot less by trying it this year as opposed to sometime in the future. At this point we can't get any worse, which won't always be the case. Worst case this way we get another top 5 pick, the Maloofs learn their lesson, and we get back on the right track while everyone is still young and cheap.
Worst case it turns what is already a mess into a full fledged rout, and a terrible team into a lauhgingstock franchise. We still sit here today, after all the ick and the losing, with some last lingering tendrils of respectability left from the great years earlier this decade (helped along by the flashbacks of the jersey retirmenets, annd BJax's presence). But not enough to survive a blow like this. This turns us back into Clippers class punchlines and you almost have to start all over at trying to build a respectable franchise image. And the thing that kills is they have almost all been self-inflicted wounds. Such horrible decisionmaking. Its just really sad.
What's wrong with Whisenant? I'm just curious. I've heard a lot of the negatvity about him, and most of it seems to come from the fact that he coached in the WNBA. Is that really enough to reject him? I agree that the back-door/friend favour thing works against him, but putting that aside why should he not be the coach?
I'm not arguing for him, mind you. I just want to know what the big deal is.
I'm not arguing for him, mind you. I just want to know what the big deal is.
I just sent an email to John Thomas about the subject (possibly hiring Whisenant). You can find his email here:
http://www.nba.com/kings/mailbox/contact_us.html
I encourage others to (politely!) do the same.
http://www.nba.com/kings/mailbox/contact_us.html
I encourage others to (politely!) do the same.
I think it is inevitable, that at some point in the future, Whiz is going to coach the Kings. The men who sign the paychecks want him. They wanted him when they let Rick walk. They wanted him when they fired Musselman. Now they want him after Theus/Natt. Petrie has pushed them away from that a couple times, but the water is getting higher and Petrie is running out of places to stand. The guys Petrie has gotten as alternatives have performed poorly, both on and off the court (although Natt seems to be okay in the off-court department). The off-court situations seem to dominate the decisionmaking more than we as fans realize, being the given reasons for getting rid of all 3 of Adelman, Theus, and Musselmen. In the Maloofs' eyes, with Whiz, they already have a guy who shares their vision for the team, however unrealistic that vison may be, so they have to being seeing that as an advantage over whatever alternatives there are.
Looking at our coaching search this offseason, there have been no reports that the Maloofs are willing to spend the money it would take to bring one of the established coaches in, nor has there been any indication that any established coach is interested in being here. For practical purposes, we may not be very far, if at all, from already being a laughingstock, and at the clippers level. So again we enter an offseason where we get to choose from the various castoffs and upstarts who will being willing to come here cheap for the chance to prove themselves as a head coach.
I would say Petrie could once again hold the Maloofs off, and get his choice out of this group, but this has got to be his last chance. If he goes this direction and the new coach fails, after once again going away from the Owners wishes, Petrie's job starts looking shaky. Given the high expectations that will be put on the new coach- he has to share the front office's vision for the team, he has to win, and he has to win with defense, and he has to do it all better than what the Maloofs imagine that Whiz could do in the same situation- and given the team he'll have to try and reach those expectations with, the odds are pretty long. So unless Petrie picks a home run, he stands a good chance of losing his job and Whiz ending up as coach anyway. Not to mention the horrifying and possibly franchise destroying thought of a Whiz GM/Coach combo.
On the other hand Petrie can sit back, let the Maloofs have their way, let Whiz lose all year, give this year's pick a year to adjust to the NBA and do whatever tweaking he wants to the team, and then step back up next offseason with cap space, another high pick, and a much stronger position with which to spend the money to get a proven coach. And if the money is there, a coach will come, no matter how bad the last couple years looked, and the franchise will finally be headed the right direction, and we will no longer have the distraction of the magical Whiz looming in the shadows.
Having accepted the fact that Whiz get his chance sooner or later barring anything but a change in ownership or us pulling an exceptional coach out of a limited talent pool, and possibly losing Petrie in the process, I say just do it, get it over with and hope that the front office has the capabilty to learn from the mistakes and change their current strategies.
Why not me?
I'm wildly unqualified too, have absolutely no experience in the NBA, have proven absolutely nothing at any level even remotely appropriate to the NBA. But hey, I know the game, and I too would be willing to bury my nose as far up Maloof behind as I could jam it in return for a multimillion dollar a year job. So why not me if that's the standard?
Whisenant's NBA resume is completely nonexistent. In fact his college resume is almost nonexistent, and the last thing he did at any level other than the WNBA was 25 years ago. Oh, I forgot, he coached his son's AAU team in there too.
I'm serious -- I'm going to be pissed off if the Maloofs give the job to this guy instead of me. I'm younger, smarter, of course much better looking, won't have the WNBA thing hanging over my head getting us called the Queens, and if any player gives me any gruff I'll give him a swift kick right where you don't want a swift kick. In fact right about now I am thinking someboyd needs to deliver one of those to the Maloof brothers as well. And maybe their mom, as I seem to recall her having a crush on Whiz or some such form back the first timie we had to go through this crap.
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After 8 straight years in the playoffs under Adelman, we go from Muss to Theus to Natt. I think we are done with experimental head coaches with no prior nba coaching success. At least thats what I thought untill I heard about this crap. Are you kidding me? Whisenant? Talk about making a bad situation worse. We need a coach that is going to come in here and turn around the culture of this team. The defense, the effort, the decision making on offense. It will require teaching and leadership from someone who has done it before, and someone the players respect.
If this does indeed happen, it will set the franchise back more, which I really didn't think was possible. The last 3 coaches have turned out to be experiments gone wrong. But Muss, Theus, and Natt all had one thing in common which Whisenant doesn't, and thats prior nba experience. Not as head coaches, but they had been around the league for a while. How can the Maloofs solution to this mess be to bring in a freaking girls coach with no nba experience, especially with all the jobless nba coaches out there this summer. Flip, Avery, Jordan, Carlisemo, Fratello, Mitchell, are all guys I would rather have than Whisenant. No I don't think all those guys would be a good fit for this team, but I sure as hell would rather have them coaching this team than Whisenant.
If this does indeed happen, it will set the franchise back more, which I really didn't think was possible. The last 3 coaches have turned out to be experiments gone wrong. But Muss, Theus, and Natt all had one thing in common which Whisenant doesn't, and thats prior nba experience. Not as head coaches, but they had been around the league for a while. How can the Maloofs solution to this mess be to bring in a freaking girls coach with no nba experience, especially with all the jobless nba coaches out there this summer. Flip, Avery, Jordan, Carlisemo, Fratello, Mitchell, are all guys I would rather have than Whisenant. No I don't think all those guys would be a good fit for this team, but I sure as hell would rather have them coaching this team than Whisenant.