What Big Man Was There???
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Good response.
There can be no discussion without an alternative choice put forth. Then we can argue the pros and cons of the differing players or trade up/down options. Otherwise it is just one side building Garcia up and the other tearing him down. I had hoped to spark a frank discussion on the options at #23.
Agreed. If you say it was a bad pick, that means you have others you would have taken instead. Name them (or at least one). Even if you just think they are a project and would be interesting to see try to develop. But I, for one, am tired of the negative comments without constructive ones to follow them up.
Am I the new leader of the FG fan club? No. Do I think it was a decent/good pick? By everything I have seen so far, probably. Do I have anyone else in mind who I would have rather had? I will not pretend to follow college ball enough to hazard a guess. But, based on the scouting reports, he sounds like a good team guy, with good O capabilities, led his team in some defensive categories, fills a need, and works harder on his game than just about everyone else in the draft. Cut him a little slack and let him play a few games....see what he has and how it translates to the NBA for Pete's sake.
Am I the new leader of the FG fan club? No. Do I think it was a decent/good pick? By everything I have seen so far, probably. Do I have anyone else in mind who I would have rather had? I will not pretend to follow college ball enough to hazard a guess. But, based on the scouting reports, he sounds like a good team guy, with good O capabilities, led his team in some defensive categories, fills a need, and works harder on his game than just about everyone else in the draft. Cut him a little slack and let him play a few games....see what he has and how it translates to the NBA for Pete's sake.
I will agree with part of that. It does seem that most of the comments about Garcia have been at one end of the spectrum or the other. What I was attempting to convey is that for some, me included, the selection of a shooting guard wasn't what we expected/hoped for. Some were actually hoping one of the remains bigs would have been grabbed. For me, at least, I'm now in "wait and see" mode. I don't like the Garcia bashing but, on the other hand, I'm not quite ready to put him into the starting roster quite yet.
So I'm still saying I wish we would have gotten a big, but I'm willing to wait and see how Garcia does. Is that cynicism? Is it mere criticism without substance? Or is it an honest and valid opinion?
So I'm still saying I wish we would have gotten a big, but I'm willing to wait and see how Garcia does. Is that cynicism? Is it mere criticism without substance? Or is it an honest and valid opinion?
Oh no, in both those cases there was/were very clearly options people wouold have preferred, from the ludicrous (trade Webb for cap room or Allan Houston or whatever -- normally a sign of hatred) to the risky (Peja for Artest) etc.
In Garcia's case the effort is more pointless because nobody knows how any of these guys are going to play at this level (and yes, Garcia included). With all fo the talent in this draft, I virtually guarantee you that SOMEBODY picked after Garcia will turn out to be better, and given Cisco's relatively advanced age, in 5 years maybe several somebodies as the 18/19 year old kids come into their own. But the who/what is very difficult to predict when you're lucky if you have seen one video clip of most of thse guys.
In no partiuclar order, guys I will be watching:
Petro
Taft
Simien
Miles
Taft
Ukic
Ilyasova
Turiaf
Ilic
Andriuskevicius
Blatche
and that's just the guys I can identify. May well be others.
In Garcia's case the effort is more pointless because nobody knows how any of these guys are going to play at this level (and yes, Garcia included). With all fo the talent in this draft, I virtually guarantee you that SOMEBODY picked after Garcia will turn out to be better, and given Cisco's relatively advanced age, in 5 years maybe several somebodies as the 18/19 year old kids come into their own. But the who/what is very difficult to predict when you're lucky if you have seen one video clip of most of thse guys.
In no partiuclar order, guys I will be watching:
Petro
Taft
Simien
Miles
Taft
Ukic
Ilyasova
Turiaf
Ilic
Andriuskevicius
Blatche
and that's just the guys I can identify. May well be others.
But would you have taken those guys above Garcia?
I for one am glad the Kings took Garcia over the players you listed. Petro, Taft, Miles, Ukic, Ilyasova, Ilic, Adriuskevicius, and Blatche are all projects. If we would have taken one of those guys than most people on the board would have been complaining about that. #1 me! I think taking a project would have been more of a sign that we are throwing in the towel than anything.
I would have loved to have Turiaf and some of those other guys but not at #23. We already have a player just like him in Brian Skinner. Same abilities, size, and after seeing tape of the guy he seems to not have Brians footwork or speed.
I for one am glad the Kings took Garcia over the players you listed. Petro, Taft, Miles, Ukic, Ilyasova, Ilic, Adriuskevicius, and Blatche are all projects. If we would have taken one of those guys than most people on the board would have been complaining about that. #1 me! I think taking a project would have been more of a sign that we are throwing in the towel than anything.
I would have loved to have Turiaf and some of those other guys but not at #23. We already have a player just like him in Brian Skinner. Same abilities, size, and after seeing tape of the guy he seems to not have Brians footwork or speed.
Initial scouting report on Taft:
William Howard Taft
PF Yale University
5'11 & 1/2" 305 lbs
Strengths:
Moves well for his size. Taft is surprisingly nimble and runs the court very well. Excites the crowd on occasion with breakaway dunks. He also establishes good post position and is tough to move. Rarely commits turnovers as he is very conservative with the ball and his politics. Solid rebounder, but could be better.
Weaknesses:
Has weight issues. Has been working out in preparation of the draft, but has fluctuated between 295 and 350. Also, he's tremendously undersized at the NBA level. Will have trouble getting his shot off. Is a weak as an individual and help defender. His only block was blocking Arizona from joining the US. Has little to no upside at this point in his career, having been dead for the last 75 years.
Outlook: As a basketball player, Taft is a great Supreme Court Justice. He is getting bad info from his people if he really thinks he is a lock for the first round. "His Rotundness" will find himself waiting a long time to hear his name on draft night.
William Howard Taft
PF Yale University
5'11 & 1/2" 305 lbs
Strengths:
Moves well for his size. Taft is surprisingly nimble and runs the court very well. Excites the crowd on occasion with breakaway dunks. He also establishes good post position and is tough to move. Rarely commits turnovers as he is very conservative with the ball and his politics. Solid rebounder, but could be better.
Weaknesses:
Has weight issues. Has been working out in preparation of the draft, but has fluctuated between 295 and 350. Also, he's tremendously undersized at the NBA level. Will have trouble getting his shot off. Is a weak as an individual and help defender. His only block was blocking Arizona from joining the US. Has little to no upside at this point in his career, having been dead for the last 75 years.
Outlook: As a basketball player, Taft is a great Supreme Court Justice. He is getting bad info from his people if he really thinks he is a lock for the first round. "His Rotundness" will find himself waiting a long time to hear his name on draft night.
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How bout Malone coming back from retirement to help us li'l ole Kings out at the PF spot. I know it's a stretch and Malone is an ooooooold man, as the health factor might come into play, but he did wonders for the Lakers the year they imploded. I know that doesn't sound right, but he plays pretty good individual defense (Duncan, playoffs), is a good rebounder and a great leader even at his age. Just a thought, ok now you can all shoot me.
funkykingston said:
Initial scouting report on Taft:
William Howard Taft
PF Yale University
5'11 & 1/2" 305 lbs
Strengths:
Moves well for his size. Taft is surprisingly nimble and runs the court very well. Excites the crowd on occasion with breakaway dunks. He also establishes good post position and is tough to move. Rarely commits turnovers as he is very conservative with the ball and his politics. Solid rebounder, but could be better.
Weaknesses:
Has weight issues. Has been working out in preparation of the draft, but has fluctuated between 295 and 350. Also, he's tremendously undersized at the NBA level. Will have trouble getting his shot off. Is a weak as an individual and help defender. His only block was blocking Arizona from joining the US. Has little to no upside at this point in his career, having been dead for the last 75 years.
Outlook: As a basketball player, Taft is a great Supreme Court Justice. He is getting bad info from his people if he really thinks he is a lock for the first round. "His Rotundness" will find himself waiting a long time to hear his name on draft night.
William Howard Taft
PF Yale University
5'11 & 1/2" 305 lbs
Strengths:
Moves well for his size. Taft is surprisingly nimble and runs the court very well. Excites the crowd on occasion with breakaway dunks. He also establishes good post position and is tough to move. Rarely commits turnovers as he is very conservative with the ball and his politics. Solid rebounder, but could be better.
Weaknesses:
Has weight issues. Has been working out in preparation of the draft, but has fluctuated between 295 and 350. Also, he's tremendously undersized at the NBA level. Will have trouble getting his shot off. Is a weak as an individual and help defender. His only block was blocking Arizona from joining the US. Has little to no upside at this point in his career, having been dead for the last 75 years.
Outlook: As a basketball player, Taft is a great Supreme Court Justice. He is getting bad info from his people if he really thinks he is a lock for the first round. "His Rotundness" will find himself waiting a long time to hear his name on draft night.
I've heard that Taft has an allergy with Lead. Especially when fired from a gun.
Ok yes I know that was really bad but I couldn't resist.
Malone refused to go to the Spurs last year. A contender that would of given him his ring. Now he is a year older, probably very rusty, and most likely wants nothing to do with us. We are talking about a guy that's prime was 10 years ago. Good defense you say? 'Sheed torched him in the finals by posting him up and scoring on him at will... His daughter Cheryl would probably help us more than her oldman of a father
funkykingston said:
Initial scouting report on Taft:
William Howard Taft
PF Yale University
5'11 & 1/2" 305 lbs
Strengths:
Moves well for his size. Taft is surprisingly nimble and runs the court very well. Excites the crowd on occasion with breakaway dunks. He also establishes good post position and is tough to move. Rarely commits turnovers as he is very conservative with the ball and his politics. Solid rebounder, but could be better.
Weaknesses:
Has weight issues. Has been working out in preparation of the draft, but has fluctuated between 295 and 350. Also, he's tremendously undersized at the NBA level. Will have trouble getting his shot off. Is a weak as an individual and help defender. His only block was blocking Arizona from joining the US. Has little to no upside at this point in his career, having been dead for the last 75 years.
Outlook: As a basketball player, Taft is a great Supreme Court Justice. He is getting bad info from his people if he really thinks he is a lock for the first round. "His Rotundness" will find himself waiting a long time to hear his name on draft night.
William Howard Taft
PF Yale University
5'11 & 1/2" 305 lbs
Strengths:
Moves well for his size. Taft is surprisingly nimble and runs the court very well. Excites the crowd on occasion with breakaway dunks. He also establishes good post position and is tough to move. Rarely commits turnovers as he is very conservative with the ball and his politics. Solid rebounder, but could be better.
Weaknesses:
Has weight issues. Has been working out in preparation of the draft, but has fluctuated between 295 and 350. Also, he's tremendously undersized at the NBA level. Will have trouble getting his shot off. Is a weak as an individual and help defender. His only block was blocking Arizona from joining the US. Has little to no upside at this point in his career, having been dead for the last 75 years.
Outlook: As a basketball player, Taft is a great Supreme Court Justice. He is getting bad info from his people if he really thinks he is a lock for the first round. "His Rotundness" will find himself waiting a long time to hear his name on draft night.
Glad to see an honest scouting report on this standard bearer of a segment of our society that is tragically underrepresented in the NBA.
ya, he did miss some games but when they did put him on the court he was no match for Rasheed. Think he missed the last 2 games of the series or something. But yeah, his knee injury took all of the very little mobility he had left and he couldnt do much defensively. + at his age, injuries like that tend to never fully go away so...
anyway, we all know it aint gonna happen so whatever
anyway, we all know it aint gonna happen so whatever
Neil - I'm already envisioning them as "Cisco and Poncho." 
Of course, I'm not at all sure how Kevin is going to like being called Poncho.
Hopefully they'll work well together. They have a lot of the same qualities, and if they both end up being "like Doug Christie," I don't have a problem with that in any way, shape or form!!!
Bottom line?
GO KINGS!!!!!
Of course, I'm not at all sure how Kevin is going to like being called Poncho.
Hopefully they'll work well together. They have a lot of the same qualities, and if they both end up being "like Doug Christie," I don't have a problem with that in any way, shape or form!!!
Bottom line?
GO KINGS!!!!!