Welcome Devin Carter

funkykingston said:
For an all-time great shooter, Peja's shot had a lot of quirks. He often had his knees pointing inward (Keon does this too) and he'd bring the ball across his face which means he was rotating his right palm as he went into his shot motion. His actual release had the ball above his head (rather than off to the right) and his right elbow was very high.
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A quick google search discovered the following:


And who knew that Coach K was watching and breaking down film from our KINGS back then!

 
Double-K said:
Bird's form was weird how he almost threw it overhead... haha

Peja's was weird too but most of the time it was one fluid motion, same as K-Mart's samurai-sword hip drawing form lol

The only true concern one should have regarding shooting form, aside from the outcome, is maintaining a consistent rhythm and ensuring the arc of the shot is not too low, to avoid the risk of being blocked.
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Yeah, and the arc is most important according to guys like Rick Barry. Flat shots have almost only one way to go in and that's straight.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I think all we know is "making progress, re-evaluated in January". Obviously he's out doing shooting drills so he's not immobilized or anything.
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And there's a video of him banging around in the post with the coaches. Huerter did mention that Carter healed more quickly last time or something. The fact is, if he's healed and his range of motion is up to the level they need, there's almost no reason to keep him out if he's ready.
 
SacTownKid said:
And there's a video of him banging around in the post with the coaches. Huerter did mention that Carter healed more quickly last time or something. The fact is, if he's healed and his range of motion is up to the level they need, there's almost no reason to keep him out if he's ready.
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Especially considering just how much we need help on perimeter and 3 pt defense, which is supposedly his specialty.
 
iowamcnabb said:
I get the skepticism but plenty of rookies have stepped in and been a winning player right away including our own Keegan Murray. Jaylen Wells has started 20 games for the 17-8 Grizzlies this year is another example. Dude has been around the league his whole life and is swagger personified. I fully expect him to contribute defensively right away. The conference he played in is often cited as the most similar to NBA style ball too.
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You're certainly more confident about him than I am. I'm just playing the odds here because there aren't many rookies that play winning ball on a year to year basis. For every 1 you name, another 3 or 4 can be named that aren't playing winning ball. The odds are pretty much against you here. I feel like the odds are stacked against rookies defensively because the refs love to blow the whistle on them, especially when defending star players. We know his on ball defense was really good in college but we don't know how his team defense is going to look in the NBA. Davion was always great on ball but he looked very ordinary on team defense. I'm cautiously optimistic with Carter but I'm not going to be surprised if he looks bad. I mean look how bad Brandon Miller looked in SL and he turned that around pretty quickly.

For example, Fox and Cousins didn't play winning ball their rookie years. Hali, Keegan, IT and Tyreke certainly did. We might have to go back another 20 years to find another Kings draft pick that did.
 
ESP47 said:
You're certainly more confident about him than I am. I'm just playing the odds here because there aren't many rookies that play winning ball on a year to year basis. For every 1 you name, another 3 or 4 can be named that aren't playing winning ball. The odds are pretty much against you here. I feel like the odds are stacked against rookies defensively because the refs love to blow the whistle on them, especially when defending star players. We know his on ball defense was really good in college but we don't know how his team defense is going to look in the NBA. Davion was always great on ball but he looked very ordinary on team defense. I'm cautiously optimistic with Carter but I'm not going to be surprised if he looks bad. I mean look how bad Brandon Miller looked in SL and he turned that around pretty quickly.

For example, Fox and Cousins didn't play winning ball their rookie years. Hali, Keegan, IT and Tyreke certainly did. We might have to go back another 20 years to find another Kings draft pick that did.
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To me the difference is age and experience. Fox and Cousins were one year removed from high school. Most 18 year old rookies don’t have NBA bodies. Devin is a tank and his calling card is playing defense. I’m not expecting him to be All Defense and it will probably take him some time to trust the shoulder but I think the odds of him being an early impact player are in line with the Knechts, Wells and Dunns of the world.
 
ESP47 said:
You're certainly more confident about him than I am. I'm just playing the odds here because there aren't many rookies that play winning ball on a year to year basis. For every 1 you name, another 3 or 4 can be named that aren't playing winning ball. The odds are pretty much against you here. I feel like the odds are stacked against rookies defensively because the refs love to blow the whistle on them, especially when defending star players. We know his on ball defense was really good in college but we don't know how his team defense is going to look in the NBA. Davion was always great on ball but he looked very ordinary on team defense. I'm cautiously optimistic with Carter but I'm not going to be surprised if he looks bad. I mean look how bad Brandon Miller looked in SL and he turned that around pretty quickly.

For example, Fox and Cousins didn't play winning ball their rookie years. Hali, Keegan, IT and Tyreke certainly did. We might have to go back another 20 years to find another Kings draft pick that did.
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"Winning ball" is different for every player. Obviously Fox and Cousins playing winning ball was all based on the offensive side and the pressure was a lot more considering they were the best talents on their respective teams from day 1 yet, not even really given the role of a best talent. Both players were largely played out of position with Fox at the 2 and Cuz at the 4. That shouldn't be the case with Carter as he'll likely be a role player to start. With Davion, a large part of him looking ordinary on team defense was because the Kings team defensive system sucks and especially for a non super athletic and smaller guard like him having to play out of position with other guards. As for winning ball, well, the Kings haven't been really playing winning ball either, lol. The offense is starting to come around but the question then is how far that takes the team. With Monk in the starting lineup the Kings ratings are starting to solidify and it's that the offense is great, the defense is pretty bad. The net rating is 1 point better than with Huerter starting, and still the best rating lineup is with Keon. Time will tell how it all works out.
 
The_Jamal said:
I mean i think that's the real differentiator right? He's 6'3, but a huge 6'9 wingspan (I swear to god if sactowndog quotes his standing reach...) and he's a legit freak athlete. Add in a motor that pretty much every draft evaluator says is special (or just watch one game of him play), it's truly hard to see how he fails. I think the offense probably is pretty bad this year when he comes back, but the defense should be very good off-rip.

He's going to have to prove he can shoot at the NBA level, absolutely. But he literally checks every box to be a game-changing elite defender at the NBA level, with the versatility to slide right next to Fox or Monk.
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He could probably fail the same way Davion did - offensive game sucks and he can't shoot. Contrary to popular opinion, Davion's defense was never the problem. Davion's size limited him to guarding PG and smaller SGs, but Carter himself isn't guarding up to 3s, 4s, or 5s. He's still only 6'3 at the end of the day. (let's be honest with ourselves, not directed specifically at you, but how many 6'3 guards are out there defending SFs?)

DDV was another high energy defensive guard who didn't pan out for the kings because he couldn't shoot.

His potential defensive impact feels overstated just because we saw Derrick White lock up players in the playoffs on an already elite defensive team in the Celtics.
 
midtowner said:
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/devin-carter-the-next-all-defensive

If you are into comps, solid article.
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Obviously, Carter has a long way to go to prove he can be this level of a defender as the guys on this list, but I would say all of them have been "impact stars" and even just flat out stars at some point of their career. Even though they aren't super high volume scorers. And all these guys are the exact sort of players we've been begging to get on this team forever.

That's as good a case of Carter being a massive "need" as any.
 
Jan 11th would be six months but maybe they think he is ahead of schedule. He said he healed faster than projection when he had a shoulder surgery in hs. A few media members have talked about his return recently and although they don’t come out and say it, it seems like they have been told he is going to play very very soon.
 
Devin Carter is going to be huge for our team i have not been so excited for a rookie to play here for a long time. go Devin.get some games in g league then come in and Make your name known
 
The_Jamal said:
After a few years of closely watching guys like Keegan/Huerter/Monk, who all go through really hot/cold months, I'd be curious how many guys are just consistently hitting huge shooting numbers month after month? Without any down months?
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I think Keegan only had one down month his rookie year. Now all his months are down months.

Carter's shot has plenty of red flags all over it. Anyone who is fully confident that he can shoot at the NBA level is just leaning fully into wishful thinking. The stats say that other players with similar numbers are anything but a sure thing. He's coming back at the right time though because the collective interest level of us fans is definitely about to fall off a cliff. Really hoping he provides some type of spark or hope for the future.
 
ESP47 said:
I think Keegan only had one down month his rookie year. Now all his months are down months.

Carter's shot has plenty of red flags all over it. Anyone who is fully confident that he can shoot at the NBA level is just leaning fully into wishful thinking. The stats say that other players with similar numbers are anything but a sure thing. He's coming back at the right time though because the collective interest level of us fans is definitely about to fall off a cliff. Really hoping he provides some type of spark or hope for the future.
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Yeah, I expect the offense to be really really bad, but the defense should hopefully pop from day 1. That's all I'm looking for from him this year; show us that you have the year in and year out all-defensive team upside potential. We'll worry about the offense next year when he gets a summer league, a full training camp and a full off-season with the team.
 
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