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SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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kingsfan101 said:
I'm not so sure Kings suffered from Bonzi's agent's shenanigans. Bonzi clearly had All-Star (maybe even all-NBA) talent. He, more than even Ron, was responsible for our strong showing against the Spurs, despite our loss. But given his history, he did that only to try and earn a big contract. Likely, he would reverted to his uninspired play once he got paid.

Irrelevant now though.
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Perhaps, but the identity of that team moving forward was obviously going to be Ron and Bonzi as a terror and mismatch nightmare in an era where individual and unique team makeup still existed. Well, at least it should have been and while Bonzi going for 30 and 10 a night shouldn't have been expected, teams picking their poison and getting beat up was likely going to happen most nights. Bonzi was guy that had never found the right situation for him, however regardless his per minute production was always right where it was going to be most years. In hindsight he didn't last much longer so the Kings might have known about his health issues and were gunshy. In hindsight though you definitely take the gamble if you're Petrie.
 
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SacTownKid said:
Perhaps, but the identity of that team moving forward was obviously going to be Ron and Bonzi as a terror and mismatch nightmare in an era where individual and unique team makeup still existed. Well, at least it should have been and while Bonzi going for 30 and 10 a night shouldn't have been expected, teams picking their poison and getting beat up was likely going to happen most nights. Bonzi was guy that had never found the right situation for him, however regardless his per minute production was always right where it was going to be most years. In hindsight he didn't last much longer so the Kings might have known about his health issues and were gunshy. In hindsight though you definitely take the gamble if you're Petrie.
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Petrie did take the gamble and offered him a reasonable contract. The fact that no one else stepped up showed that his own perception was inflated, biased by his super showing against the Spurs. The trouble was that league knew that he is likely to return to his uninspired ways once he got paid.
 
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kingsfan101

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kingsfan101 said:
Petrie did take the gamble and offered him a reasonable contract. The fact that no one else stepped up showed that his own perception was inflated, biased by his super showing against the Spurs. The trouble was that league knew that he is likely to return to his uninspired ways once he got paid.
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For the record, here's a link to his stats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonzi_Wells#Professional_career

His highest scoring average during regular season was 17, highest rebounds 7.7, FG% 55%. By contrast, in that series against Spurs, he 23.2 points, 12 RPG, with a FG% of 60.9 and a 3P% of 62.5%. Right before an expected pay day.
 
KingsFanSince85

KingsFanSince85

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The_Jamal said:
But that also doesn't mean he's dust either. To me, I give everyone 3 years to show me something and if they still haven't popped by that 4th year, it's probably not going to happen
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I think 3 seasons is more than fair. You’d like to see signs during season 2, but if they haven’t really popped by season 3 then either the team is using them incorrectly or they just aren’t the player the team thought they’d be.

Having said that, I’m reminded of Steve Nash who didn’t really pop until season 5. Then went on to win a couple MVP awards a few seasons later.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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kingsfan101 said:
For the record, here's a link to his stats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonzi_Wells#Professional_career

His highest scoring average during regular season was 17, highest rebounds 7.7, FG% 55%. By contrast, in that series against Spurs, he 23.2 points, 12 RPG, with a FG% of 60.9 and a 3P% of 62.5%. Right before an expected pay day.
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He wasn't seeking a max contract or anything lol. IIRC the numbers weren't actually that far off. Bonzi had a lot of years where teams didn't play him full starters minutes. His production was pretty dang consistent over the course of his career. His shooting was spotty though.
 
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SacTownKid said:
He wasn't seeking a max contract or anything lol. IIRC the numbers weren't actually that far off. Bonzi had a lot of years where teams didn't play him full starters minutes. His production was pretty dang consistent over the course of his career. His shooting was spotty though.
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He was looking to get paid. Nothing wrong with that. Just that teams saw through it.

As for numbers, not sure if you looked at the link I posted. At no other time in his career, both regular season and playoffs, were his numbers even remotely close to what he showed in that series, and that too, against an excellent defensive team. He may have had occasional games, or even a span of games in his career, but that series was certainly an outlier. I don't know how you can say it was consistent with his career, when he achieved career highs (by significant margin) in points, rebounds, FG% and 3PFG%. Even compared to that regular season, he scored 9.6 more PPG and pulled down 4.3 additional RBG, while increasing his FG% by 14% and 3PFG% by, hold your breath, 40%.

If you think these numbers weren't "that far off", I have nothing to say.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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kingsfan101 said:
He was looking to get paid. Nothing wrong with that. Just that teams saw through it.

As for numbers, not sure if you looked at the link I posted. At no other time in his career, both regular season and playoffs, were his numbers even remotely close to what he showed in that series, and that too, against an excellent defensive team. He may have had occasional games, or even a span of games in his career, but that series was certainly an outlier. I don't know how you can say it was consistent with his career, when he achieved career highs (by significant margin) in points, rebounds, FG% and 3PFG%. Even compared to that regular season, he scored 9.6 more PPG and pulled down 4.3 additional RBG, while increasing his FG% by 14% and 3PFG% by, hold your breath, 40%.

If you think these numbers weren't "that far off", I have nothing to say.
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For sure, there is no way you would expect the playoff numbers which I stated above. Not every night, but the value was in brutalizing teams with either Ron or Bonzi via the mismatch like they did towards the end of that season prior to the playoffs. The seeds of them being a nightmare mismatch we're planted earlier than the playoffs. The Kings finished that season as one of the best in the league in that stretch. Bonzi's regular season numbers? Yeah, he was consistent throughout his career and those were easily in that range he was asking for.
 
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SacTownKid said:
Perhaps, but the identity of that team moving forward was obviously going to be Ron and Bonzi as a terror and mismatch nightmare in an era where individual and unique team makeup still existed. Well, at least it should have been and while Bonzi going for 30 and 10 a night shouldn't have been expected, teams picking their poison and getting beat up was likely going to happen most nights. Bonzi was guy that had never found the right situation for him, however regardless his per minute production was always right where it was going to be most years. In hindsight he didn't last much longer so the Kings might have known about his health issues and were gunshy. In hindsight though you definitely take the gamble if you're Petrie.
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Great Memories Bud, Good times.
 
chief bromden

chief bromden

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Okay I've been intently watching Carter whenever he plays, and really liked that breakout game against the Cavs. I like a lot of what I see from him except his shot looks like an absolute dumpster fire to me. The form, the shot, the time it takes to get the 3 off just look bad to me. The FTs are bad too (I know he doesn't get there a lot, but his college FTs weren't good either albeit the % did improve slightly every year).

Am I missing something here? I have to be missing something, right? ... right?
 
coolhandluke

coolhandluke

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chief bromden said:
Okay I've been intently watching Carter whenever he plays, and really liked that breakout game against the Cavs. I like a lot of what I see from him except his shot looks like an absolute dumpster fire to me. The form, the shot, the time it takes to get the 3 off just look bad to me. The FTs are bad too (I know he doesn't get there a lot, but his college FTs weren't good either albeit the % did improve slightly every year).

Am I missing something here? I have to be missing something, right? ... right?
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Carter's shot looks terribad. I hope it's an intermediate form while he's coming off his wrist injury. He had a quicker, less exaggerated trigger in college.

Lu Dort also had those ugly moon ball shots where he gradually quickened the release and is now an effective weapon.
 
chief bromden

chief bromden

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coolhandluke said:
Carter's shot looks terribad. I hope it's an intermediate form while he's coming off his wrist injury. He had a quicker, less exaggerated trigger in college.

Lu Dort also had those ugly moon ball shots where he gradually quickened the release and is now an effective weapon.
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Early Dort is a good comp and that helps me, thank you. Now I can keep the hope alive
 
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serbiangoat

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He gets cut off and has to turn his back when dribbling to much for my taste and he's not a guy who can get to any spot he wants despite his freakish athletic ability. I'm not sure you can build around two guys like Carter and Murray who both bring winning qualities (Murray much more so) and are winning players but badly lacking in ball skills.

The team badly needs a playmaking skilled wing even moreso than a PG if they plan make Carter/Murray guys they want to build around.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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ESP47 said:
Has there been an explanation for why Fultz has supplanted Carter in the lineup? I've been MIA a bit on the news lately.
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Carter banged his other shoulder the other day, but Carter was sick for a game and for some reason Fultz kept getting the minutes. Not sure why. Christie is probably just trying to not cut anyone out of those end of bench positions. Problem for him is it is hurting the little chances he has on defense doing it.
 
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