We may need another trade.

[LPKingsFan]

Sacramento trades:
PF Michael Bradley
(1.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.4 minutes)

*
SF Erik Daniels
(0.5 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.9 minutes)

Sacramento receives:
C Dan Gadzuric
(6.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 21.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +4.7 ppg, +5.5 rpg, and -0.1 apg.


Milwaukee trades:
C Dan Gadzuric
(6.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 21.7 minutes)

Milwaukee receives:
PF Michael Bradley
(1.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.4 minutes)

*
SF Erik Daniels
(0.5 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.9 minutes)

Change in team outlook: -4.7 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

 

[Bricklayer]

Sure!


Um...LP, not to nitpick or anything, but I think Milwaulkee might be a tad reluctant to pull the trigger on that one.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I know people are going to jump down my throat on this one, but we may need another trade to complete this team. Dont know really who to trade and who to pick up, but we need someone who's scoring is decent and who's defense and rebounding is awesome. IMO .

I know that I don't have the power to tell people what to do, nor would I take advantage of that power if I did have it.

But, please, please, PLEASE, I beg you, for the love of all things good and holy, if you plan to start a thread like this, the very least you could do is throw out a suggestion. Because, all this does is create yet another space for everyone to go on and on and on with four or five pages of absolute NOTHINGNESS that I, for some strange reason, feel compelled to read.

With the amount of panic going on around here the last few days, you'd think we weren't 15 games over .500 or something.

 

[Bibby_10]

I know that I don't have the power to tell people what to do, nor would I take advantage of that power if I did have it.

But, please, please, PLEASE, I beg you, for the love of all things good and holy, if you plan to start a thread like this, the very least you could do is throw out a suggestion. Because, all this does is create yet another space for everyone to go on and on and on with four or five pages of absolute NOTHINGNESS that I, for some strange reason, feel compelled to read.

With the amount of panic going on around here the last few days, you'd think we weren't 15 games over .500 or something.

Well if I throw out a name, like Peja for example I get attacked by everyone saying that Im Peja bashing. Only reason why I didnt. Anyway, point understood.

 

[VF21]

Sacramento trades:
PF Michael Bradley
(1.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.4 minutes)

*
SF Erik Daniels
(0.5 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.9 minutes)

Sacramento receives:
C Dan Gadzuric
(6.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 21.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +4.7 ppg, +5.5 rpg, and -0.1 apg.


Milwaukee trades:
C Dan Gadzuric
(6.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 21.7 minutes)

Milwaukee receives:
PF Michael Bradley
(1.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.4 minutes)

*
SF Erik Daniels
(0.5 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.9 minutes)

Change in team outlook: -4.7 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

If Petrie could get this one to go, I would start a religion in His honor.

 

[VF21]

Well if I throw out a name, like Peja for example I get attacked by everyone saying that Im Peja bashing. Only reason why I didnt. Anyway, point understood.

She didn't mean just toss out a name. She meant to do something like what LPKingsfan just did. He proposed a trade that actually worked through realGM. We won't talk about the willingness of the Bucks to actually do it, but at least real players were discussed not just a concept of "trading Pedja for someone who can play defense" or something in that vein.

 

[Bibby_10]

She didn't mean just toss out a name. She meant to do something like what LPKingsfan just did. He proposed a trade that actually worked through realGM. We won't talk about the willingness of the Bucks to actually do it, but at least real players were discussed not just a concept of "trading Pedja for someone who can play defense" or something in that vein.

I understood what she meant thanks. Your explanation isnt needed.

 

[Bibby_10]

Paul Pierce would be nice but aint gonna happen.

 

[hoops4kings]

Our rebounding sucked last year too, but we shored up our defense in the playoffs. The only thing was that our offense went south as well for the most part. I'm sure our defense will improve overall in the post season.

That being said, think of how the T-Wolve fans feel. A lot of talent, and a 500. ball club.

 

[Evenstar]

You will have to drag me kicking and screaming off the Kings bandwagon.

me too.

i'll show up on the spurs bandwagon wearing my kings jersey LOL!!!!

 

[PFFFT!!]

Nothing here man, however, I do agree that this team is a trade away from at least beating the likes of the Spurs, Suns, Sonics, and Heat. I find that the player would have to be a bench player with athletic ability, good rebounder, and can shoot short jumpers at a consistent rate. Rebounds and careless mistakes (*cough* Webber the PG), pretty much doomed the Sonic game. Why do we keep doing this? The reason why people panic is because we can't seem to beat the top 4 teams. At this rate we'll be able to barely make the 2nd round of the playoffs, but I highly doubt we will make the Western conference finals. Sorry, but when they start taking care of the ball and hustling more to loose balls, I will believe.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Paul Pierce would be nice but aint gonna happen.

No because of Peja's back and BJ's frail body which goes on IL every season. Had Peja and BJ been healthy we would have had Pierce. Too late now tho.

BTW, the trade deadline is fast approaching.

 

[iheartBrad]

If Petrie could get this one to go, I would start a religion in His honor.

i was thinking i'd hop on a plane out to SacTown...bust into GPs office and kiss him right square on the lips...and then turn back around and hop on a plane back to CT

 

[Alacron]

Quite frankly gambling that our guys are suddenly going to "get it" and start becoming fundamanetally impeccable rebounders may be more risky than making a trade for a guy who you KNOW knows how to rebound + defend. Miller's groundbound and has bad hands, Webb has always depended on his great hands and athleicism, but has lost the latter, Darius is a very "short" 6'9" and stuck close to the ground himself. Doubt he was even a great rebounder in college. Peja is a softie on the glass. These are ingrained traits. Everybody could do better, but its kind of like saying you are going to depend on Bibby to pick up his defense in order for us to improve on that end. That's a hell of a risk for a veteran player who has NEVER defended well. We've got obvious issues that need solving. Just telling guys to go out and be what they're not, and what they have never been...

I agree Brick, but here's the thing: Unless we trade away a starter, we most likely will not get a guy who will even be in the game in crunch time, which is when we're being destroyed by the Nick Collisons of the league. So say we trade Darius for, I dunno, Reggie Evans. Sure he'll help for those stints that he's playing, but for the last 5 minutes it'll be Bibby-Mobley-Peja-Webber-Miller, and they'll either go for the ball or they won't. You and I both know that Adelman IS the kind of coach who will gamble that his guys are suddenly going to "get it."

Outside of Peja for Pierce, I'm not really sure what else would help us much, and interestingly in this trade thread no real ideas have been put forth. Except Gadzuric for scrubs, of course. That I'd do.
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[Crackerman]

I do not think that the Kings are a trade away from beating the top teams.

The Kings have all the pieces that they need to win against the top teams. The fact is that one player being brought in is not going to stop the team from collectively blowing games. When you look back at the games that we have lost to the top teams it is not one players effort ( or lack of effort )that has lost the game, it is a collection of all of the players not mentally being focused enough to finish the game.

 

[acisking]

Nothing here man, however, I do agree that this team is a trade away from at least beating the likes of the Spurs, Suns, Sonics, and Heat. I find that the player would have to be a bench player with athletic ability, good rebounder, and can shoot short jumpers at a consistent rate. Rebounds and careless mistakes (*cough* Webber the PG), pretty much doomed the Sonic game. Why do we keep doing this? The reason why people panic is because we can't seem to beat the top 4 teams. At this rate we'll be able to barely make the 2nd round of the playoffs, but I highly doubt we will make the Western conference finals. Sorry, but when they start taking care of the ball and hustling more to loose balls, I will believe.

another subliminal anti-webber post with no justification....webber did throw that one bad pass at the end of the game. - but he did have 9 assists and made nearly every shot he took in the fourth quarter...this loss wasn't his fault (last i looked he got 9 rebounds, which is more than any other king on the floor is even capable of getting ona regular basis)....if anything it was a collective lack of effort not a mistake by "Webber the pg" that cost us the game

 

[SaCKiNgS24]

Webber For Prez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont Hate The God!

 

[PFFFT!!]

another subliminal anti-webber post with no justification....webber did throw that one bad pass at the end of the game. - but he did have 9 assists and made nearly every shot he took in the fourth quarter...this loss wasn't his fault (last i looked he got 9 rebounds, which is more than any other king on the floor is even capable of getting ona regular basis)....if anything it was a collective lack of effort not a mistake by "Webber the pg" that cost us the game

Im not anti-Webber. Posted here for the longest times and could literally count the times I've posted when a player did the wrong thing at the wrong time (except for Christie), regardless of how many points, rebounds, or assists he had. Im talking about an important point in a game where taking care of the ball was imperative. I don't understand where Im bashing Webber's character or gameplay. Geez. Fussy fussy fussy *tsk* *tsk* *tsk*

 

[piksi]

How would "Pierce for Pedja" change our rebounding ?

 

[Rowdyone]

Okay, I know this borders on blasphemy but here goes. Peja and Webber to Boston for Pierce, Al Jefferson, Payton and our old friend Yogi Stewart. Payton and Yogi are expiring contracts freeing cap space next year and included here only for purposes of the trade. Pierce gives us what Peja brought scoring wise with more rebounding and defense and although only 6'7' plays higher than Peja does. Jefferson is a "can't miss" (accodring to some) star in the making that will potentially give us what Webb does now with more athleticism and Payton gives scoring punch off the bench for the rest of the year. Boston does it because Ainge needs to be able to point to success soon and this trade would allow Peja and Webb to dominate in the inferior East.

 

[Bricklayer]

Okay, I know this borders on blasphemy but here goes. Peja and Webber to Boston for Pierce, Al Jefferson, Payton and our old friend Yogi Stewart. Payton and Yogi are expiring contracts freeing cap space next year and included here only for purposes of the trade. Pierce gives us what Peja brought scoring wise with more rebounding and defense and although only 6'7' plays higher than Peja does. Jefferson is a "can't miss" (accodring to some) star in the making that will potentially give us what Webb does now with more athleticism and Payton gives scoring punch off the bench for the rest of the year. Boston does it because Ainge needs to be able to point to success soon and this trade would allow Peja and Webb to dominate in the inferior East.

Its not blasphemy, but its just over the top. Quite obviously when Peja and Webber are both gone, that's it for this current run. That's not the point. Plenty of time to build for the future in the offseason. The idea now would be to make a move, big or small, to up our chances THIS year.

P.S. Piksi, Pierce has always been a steadier rebounder than Peja. And of course this year he's MUCH better.

 

[shaka zulu]

The kings don't need a trade they just need to make better decisions with the basketball down the stretch and cuttino mobley needs to relax and be more patient and he needs to negate this hero save the day menatlity. The kings also must practice the art of boxing out using the hips and butt more when rebounding.Back to cuttino The magic traded cuttino mobley because when he played and hedo didn't play well they lost games.It seems to me he is doing the same here in sacramento.Regardless of how well he plays making Big shots and doing his 3 point thang the kings have still lossed the games against the mega Teams


Hopefully he can work on his mental area of his game.Because he is a offensive upgrade over doug christie but it is simple right now he hasn't helped the kings beat the Top echelon TEAMS.Maybe he needs to transfer his virgo good luck to the whole TEAM unstead of himself.

What I did see what was crazy was how the SONICS shot 34-39 free throws to the KINGS 14-17.The kings shoot 51 percent shooting 41 out 79 to the SONICS 44 PERCENT shooting 37 out 84 and the kings get 27 assists to the sonics 17.So the kings offensively out play the sonics shhot a higher percentage tally up more dimes ,but get to the free throw line 22 less times than the sonics.Now they only get out rebounded by 13 boards 33 to the sonics 46.So alot of those were second shot foul oppurtunity points but still how can you shoot 22 more free throws.

Rebounding is a problem and was a problem but you must still look at the obvious free throw difference.Which I think was the difference in the 115-107 seattle sonics victory.

 

[piksi]

P.S. Piksi, Pierce has always been a steadier rebounder than Peja. And of course this year he's MUCH better.

again - how would that fix our rebounding ?

 

[acisking]

again - how would that fix our rebounding ?

i totally agree...one rebounder wont make a diff...and its not like pierce is anything close to a bill russel or wilt chamberlain guy anyway

 

[SaCKiNgS24]

we need a monster on the boards like seattle has with reggie evans!

 

[piksi]

we need a monster on the boards like seattle has with reggie evans!

That would mean chaniging a 4 & 5 not a 3

 

[ovrush]

Rumor is Carlos Boozer may be available...

We could settle the Webb vs Peja argument for all time and ship Peja for Pierce and Webb for Boozer....

Let Brad run the high post, Pierce is a decent slasher, Boozer is solid in the low post and a rebounding machine. Bibby and Cat still bomb from the outside. Its a more athletic team, that would arguably be better defensively, and certainly would be better on the boards.


(Please note Im not really being serious here, Im just exceedingly bored. I dont think either trade works salary wise anyways.)

 

[Rowdyone]

But, Brick, motivated traders (like Ainge) may not be so motivated (or even around) by the off season. The next 10 days will create huge pressure on GM's around the league to make a move to move up in the standings to win now at the sacrifice of a "maybe" star in the making (like Jefferson). I understand your point, you want to make a move that will give us the edge going into the playoffs (like Sheed did last year in Detroit) whereas I don't see us getting that guy since we have nothing to trade without dipping into our core group, done by the second round and waiting to rebuild in the off-season when there is more demand and limited supply (not to metion depreciation on the players you wish to trade but couldn't get it done here in Sac). Potential superstars, like Pierce (in the right system), don't come along every day, let alone a younger PF with cartilage in his knees still and a big upside. Our problem is we have players who, when executing, can beat anyone on any given night despite our inadaquacies, yet only play at that high level occasionally and are getting beaten by guys with more speed/hops who can control the boards and get second chance points and foul shots that we aren't getting even though they have lesser overall skills. Conventional wisdom is that teams like ours will have an advantage when the playoffs start and the game slows down but I'm not so sure we have the ability/discipline to slow the game and make the routine play vs going for the homerun as is our wont. It will be interesting to find out philosophically speaking.

 

[keflanag]

This is what I don't get about all the requests to trade players on our team. Are you a fan of this team, or are you a fan of winning? If we could somehow pull off a trade for our ENTIRE team for the ENTIRE San Antonio team, I don't think anyone would disagree that that gives us the best chance to win a championship. But are we really routing for the Kings anymore? I understand that teams change. Players leave, players retire, trades are made. But changes should be gradual. None of this "let's re-vamp the entire team" junk. I'd rather route for the team as is and see them lose then to see us succumb to the "Karl Malone Syndrome".

 

[PacMan]

Well, the Raptors is about waive Zo. It would be nice if we can pick him up. He's old and rusty, but he would definitely address our rebounding and shot blocking problem.