We basically traded Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) and Casspi for Hickson

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ok, so wait.. here is what I mean with this:


The first round pick that we traded, is likely to end up being like a 15th pick, or a 16th pick, or 17th pick or something like that. It could be as high as like 13 or 14. Regardless, I don't think the value of that pick should just be conveniently ignored. The 2011 draft, which was widely considered to be one of the weakest drafts in recent memory, saw a talent like Kawhi Leonard slip to the 15th pick.

There is always talent in the middle of the draft. Remember Casspi, we got him in the middle of the draft. What about Hickson? Cav's got him in the middle of the draft. The middle of the draft can have some serious talent, and there is going to be a year in the near future where we aren't going to have any interest in the draft, because our 16th overall selection is going to be owned by Cleveland.

Hickson better be the freaking Savior as far as I'm concerned. I don't mind dealing Casspi, he was definitely the odd guy out, and a guy with some name value, and trade value, and I don't mind it from that standpoint at all, but the No.1 pick is a very big concern for me. I don't see them getting our pick in 2012 or 2013, but they could still end up with a very nice pick in 2014 or 2015. And one of those summers, we are going to be on this forum talking about how J.J. Hickson was never worth all of that. It's totally conceivable that the Cav's could have our 15th overall pick in 2015, and Hickson isn't even on our team anymore because he wanted too much money and went somewhere else via Free Agency.

I'm not trying to say that this trade was a BAD thing. I'm just saying that the Kings payed ALOT to get their hands on J.J. Hickson. It seems like most people are downplaying the draft pick, because it's not something that is a known quantity yet, and we aren't going to actually feel that pain for a couple of years. Yes, that draft pick will likely be 2014 at the earliest and possibly 2017 at the latest. You can't really hope for the Cavs to get that second round pick, because if the Cavs get a 2nd round pick from us, that means we've had to endure some horrible basketball for 6 straight years. I think we just have to hope that the Cavs end up with like a 22 overall pick in 2014, the summer after the Kings made a surprising run in the playoffs. Of course, that 22nd overall pick will still sting a bit, unless Hickson is still on the Kings, and playing at a near All-Star level.
 
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i'm in agreement with you on this. i think the deal could have been done w/o the 1st. maybe a 2nd rd pick which is essentially a late 1st if we end up like this year.
 
Eh, I don't really mind the trade that much, but the lockout could really make it look bad if it's a 50 game or less season and Hickson bolts to another team after that.
 
theclash4u5 said:
Eh, I don't really mind the trade that much, but the lockout could really make it look bad if it's a 50 game or less season and Hickson bolts to another team after that.
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Yeah, he might want to go to the Clippers. ;) Seriously, isn't he a restricted free agent after this year and can't go anywhere. I also have faith that the new CBA will provide even more incentives for people to stay with the team they are on but then that's my wishful thinking. :)
 
Petrie draft picks are normally rotation guys to starters, so trading away a Petrie pick is of some value even if it is protected. Draft picks are also valuable to small markets like Sacramento as a way to replenish and acquire talent.
 
Petrie could draft another Hawes/Douby type player to go along with Casspi, in which case we would have a role player and filler vs. player with potential to be an all-star.
 
The last thing we need to add to this team is more unproven young talent. We're at the point where we need to take the pieces we have and turn it into a cohesive unit that knows how to play the game the right way. That means pairing our existing youth with more veterans, not more mid-round draft picks. I understand that giving up a chance for Petrie to draft someone means a lot, but we need to turn this thing around sooner rather than later. Especially true for those based out in the Sacramento region of the fanbase.

Also, if fake Demarcus Cousins calls a thread dumb, we need to immediately wipe the thing off our server. Because that means it's epically dumb.
 
Hickson was putting up some really impressive numbers last year. If he plays at all like that on the Kings, then the Kings win the trade unless the Cavs end up drafting some great player at 15 in a few years or unless Casspi becomes Peja 2.0, both of which seem pretty unlikely. My only worry is whether The Kings will be able to retain all these players in a few years under a new CBA.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
i'm in agreement with you on this. i think the deal could have been done w/o the 1st.
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Doesn't seem likely. Rumor around the trade is that it took so long because Cleveland was pushing for less protection on the pick. I'd assume that it was a no-go without the first-rounder.
 
If things go correctly, our 2015 pick would be the least of our worries. If we continue to tank until 2015, we're in trouble. I'm hoping they get it much sooner then that because it should mean we're in the playoffs once again.
 
Nighthawk1 said:
If things go correctly, our 2015 pick would be the least of our worries. If we continue to tank until 2015, we're in trouble. I'm hoping they get it much sooner then that because it should mean we're in the playoffs once again.
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My hope is that the Cavs get our pick in 2014, and it's in the 20's. This would mean that we made the playoffs in 2013, which quite honestly, considering the Western Conference, is probably our best hope of making the playoffs. I made this thread not so much to say that we lost the trade, or that we're screwed because we don't have that pick anymore, but just to illustrate that we really did give more than Casspi and a bag of Doritos to get Hickson. They will likely get a pick in the mid to late teens off of us, and it could come back to haunt us, but as this point, no use crying over spilled milk. We have to hope that Hickson takes it as a wake-up call, and that he really puts things together, even on the defensive side of the ball, and can maybe cut down on his turnovers.
 
We should consider the Kings draft history when they picked from playoff pick positions. We had three hits: Kevin Martin, Gerald Wallace and Hedo Turkoglu. Of the three the only one to make a major impact on the team came when the team fell out of the playoffs. The other two struggled to become regular contributors and only reached their full potential when they left the Kings.

So the question is: if we are a playoff team, what are the odds that a late first round pick is going to be the edge we need to get over the hump? Not likely.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
We should consider the Kings draft history when they picked from playoff pick positions. We had three hits: Kevin Martin, Gerald Wallace and Hedo Turkoglu. Of the three the only one to make a major impact on the team came when the team fell out of the playoffs. The other two struggled to become regular contributors and only reached their full potential when they left the Kings.

So the question is: if we are a playoff team, what are the odds that a late first round pick is going to be the edge we need to get over the hump? Not likely.
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Great point here. Even if the pick it taken two years from now. Most players in the mid first round who do work out take 2-4 years to develop and really contribute. In Hickson, we have a player who was able to develop with the Cavs and is showing signs of being a starter/6th man type.

In 2-3 years, the hope is our team is talented enough that a player we draft around 15-19 would be a 9-10 man initially and would slowly improve. Even if he developed with those scraps of minutes and became a meaningful in 3 years, we are talking about someone who would not be able to help this team for 5 years from today.

We didn't give up a pick for a mediocre veteran who will be gone before we are ready to compete. I think the OP is correct a first round pick can have value. But I am not too concerned that we gave up someone who would be ready to help our team when we need it.
 
The worst part about living in mexico is that you can't own a gun. Which is probably saving my life. Because if I saw one more thread like this one, I'd just shoot myself. And its only july 2nd... I don't think I'm going to make it..... Maybe I have some rat poison around here............
 
bajaden said:
The worst part about living in mexico is that you can't own a gun. Which is probably saving my life. Because if I saw one more thread like this one, I'd just shoot myself. And its only july 2nd... I don't think I'm going to make it..... Maybe I have some rat poison around here............
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hahaha . . . lol


This will be a lllooonnnggg DOS.
 
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Anthony1 said:
My hope is that the Cavs get our pick in 2014, and it's in the 20's. This would mean that we made the playoffs in 2013, which quite honestly, considering the Western Conference, is probably our best hope of making the playoffs. I made this thread not so much to say that we lost the trade, or that we're screwed because we don't have that pick anymore, but just to illustrate that we really did give more than Casspi and a bag of Doritos to get Hickson. They will likely get a pick in the mid to late teens off of us, and it could come back to haunt us, but as this point, no use crying over spilled milk. We have to hope that Hickson takes it as a wake-up call, and that he really puts things together, even on the defensive side of the ball, and can maybe cut down on his turnovers.
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Or the Kings could buy a pick for $3 million. The world is not over because the Kings gave up a protected first round pick. What is the landscape of the 2014 and 2015 nba draft? Any good freshmen or sophmores in high school?
 
bajaden said:
The worst part about living in mexico is that you can't own a gun. Which is probably saving my life. Because if I saw one more thread like this one, I'd just shoot myself. And its only july 2nd... I don't think I'm going to make it..... Maybe I have some rat poison around here............
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It's frustrating how some of these posters just sprout out during the offseason eh?
 
Gary said:
AND Fredette... Your title is VERY misleading.
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No, no. The OP is comparing our protected 1st to Kawhi Leonard because he was selected in a similar position to where the pick is expected to be when conveyed.
 
Steve Nash and Al Jefferson were drafted 15th overall so essentially we traded Nash, Jefferson and Casspi for Hickson :rolleyes:
 
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The most entertaining element in this thread is Bajaden's post.

How I look at the trade is..... we got a player, J. J. Hickson, who might be pretty good, and we lost a player......Omri Casspi, who is pretty good and we know all about. So now let's move on.

An interesting insight was my reading a whole thread on the Cleveland Cavaliers web site on the issue of "who got who a who was had" in the Casspi/Hickson trade. They are just as all over the board as our group here is, no better no worse. From that reading I learned that some of them believe that the Kings got screwed and some believed that the Cavaliers got screwed. In the end, they got Casspi and we got Hickson and the rest is a few summers full of speculation.
 
pshn80 said:
The most entertaining element in this thread is Bajaden's post.

How I look at the trade is..... we got a player, J. J. Hickson, who might be pretty good, and we lost a player......Omri Casspi, who is pretty good and we know all about. So now let's move on.

An interesting insight was my reading a whole thread on the Cleveland Cavaliers web site on the issue of "who got who a who was had" in the Casspi/Hickson trade. They are just as all over the board as our group here is, no better no worse. From that reading I learned that some of them believe that the Kings got screwed and some believed that the Cavaliers got screwed. In the end, they got Casspi and we got Hickson and the rest is a few summers full of speculation.
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These comments of our fans and the Cavs fans indicate that the trade was fair. If both parties are unhappy, it was equal.
 
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