We basically traded Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) and Casspi for Hickson

These comments of our fans and the Cavs fans indicate that the trade was fair. If both parties are unhappy, it was equal.

Well we traded Casspi and the pick for 1 year on Hickson. And we are hoping that he will be coming off the bench. He will be restricted and I dont know how likely he will be bid higher then his 3.3 million qual offer in the 12-13 season so if it turns into multi years and he fits in it might/will be a good trade but if he is gone after this season then it was bad no matter who the pick ends up being or what Casspi does....

At least we can look at it this way the Cavs believe we are going to be making the playoffs in the next couple years... :)
 
Note about thread: QUIT WHINING ABOUT PICKING UP TALENTED YOUNG PLAYERS. That is all.

We KNOW JJ Hickson is a talented young player. We KNOW that Omri no longer had a place/role here. And the #15 pick could be anything. 1 in 20 become stars. 10 in 20 flush out of the league. You draft a JJ Hickson level talent at #15 you are damn happy about it.
 
Well we traded Casspi and the pick for 1 year on Hickson. And we are hoping that he will be coming off the bench. He will be restricted and I dont know how likely he will be bid higher then his 3.3 million qual offer in the 12-13 season so if it turns into multi years and he fits in it might/will be a good trade but if he is gone after this season then it was bad no matter who the pick ends up being or what Casspi does....

Again, with a new salary cap coming into play I would guess that keeping Hickson around by giving him a qualifying offer shouldn't be too terribly hard. Teams will be strapped for cash for the next few years so it's not like he's going to just up and walk without us putting up a decent fight. If he turns out to be what we hope he is, I'm sure he'll be around more than one year.
 
Note about thread: QUIT WHINING ABOUT PICKING UP TALENTED YOUNG PLAYERS. That is all.

We KNOW JJ Hickson is a talented young player. We KNOW that Omri no longer had a place/role here. And the #15 pick could be anything. 1 in 20 become stars. 10 in 20 flush out of the league. You draft a JJ Hickson level talent at #15 you are damn happy about it.

^This ^..... 'nuff said.
 
The worst part about living in mexico is that you can't own a gun. Which is probably saving my life. Because if I saw one more thread like this one, I'd just shoot myself. And its only july 2nd... I don't think I'm going to make it..... Maybe I have some rat poison around here............

Can't you just get the machette out of the car?...Or would that be too much work?
 
The worst part about living in mexico is that you can't own a gun. Which is probably saving my life. Because if I saw one more thread like this one, I'd just shoot myself. And its only july 2nd... I don't think I'm going to make it..... Maybe I have some rat poison around here............

You may not be able to own a gun, but it's sure not hard to possess one... not that I want to give you any ideas or anything....;)
 
The worst part about living in mexico is that you can't own a gun. Which is probably saving my life. Because if I saw one more thread like this one, I'd just shoot myself. And its only july 2nd... I don't think I'm going to make it..... Maybe I have some rat poison around here............

Is it possible to kill yourself drinking Tequila? In Mexico, that would be the way to go I would think. More fun than rat poison. Using a machete takes too much commitment and if you don't follow through, you'll just have a big nasty wound.
 
Is it possible to kill yourself drinking Tequila? In Mexico, that would be the way to go I would think. More fun than rat poison. Using a machete takes too much commitment and if you don't follow through, you'll just have a big nasty wound.

If Tequila would do it, I'd be dead already. Now Tequila and rat poison, Hmmm! Thats an interesting thought.
 
This sting of posts make me want to commit seppuku with a Frisbee, like a true ninja warrior would. Seriously people: read more, post less.

Personally, I'm excited about the trade. Omri would not be getting what he wanted here. He might in Cleveland, although he'll probably move on to a different market when the time is right. Hickson was doing quite well last year, and should be a good fit. We've traded an excess on our end for a position of need.

Other notes related to this trade:

It's up to Donte now - his minutes should be more consistent. You better be in the gym, buddy.

Whiteside - are you going to be our big of the future? Hopefully your knee is healing, because the minutes won't just be given to you.
 
This sting of posts make me want to commit seppuku with a Frisbee, like a true ninja warrior would. Seriously people: read more, post less.

Personally, I'm excited about the trade. Omri would not be getting what he wanted here. He might in Cleveland, although he'll probably move on to a different market when the time is right. Hickson was doing quite well last year, and should be a good fit. We've traded an excess on our end for a position of need.

Other notes related to this trade:

It's up to Donte now - his minutes should be more consistent. You better be in the gym, buddy.

Whiteside - are you going to be our big of the future? Hopefully your knee is healing, because the minutes won't just be given to you.


yeah I'm thinking the same thing. Donte has a golden opportunity here. He doesn't look like the very ambitious type like Omri, so he'll probably be happy being a backup SF for us. Hopefully he'll become a GOOD backup. Then again I won't be surprised to see him beat out by Honeycutt, who I'm pretty high on.
 
He who comes late to the party cannot dictate the course of the party. That was an early Confucious saying. :) The trade was good. It was even if you go by the fact that fans of both teams are mixed as to who got the better deal. We got a player who will contribute while Omri was not going to contribute. Haven't seen a comment from JJ. I'd be curious as to what he thinks of it all.

I personally think every team with high aspirations needs a guy like him. He seems to be a strong rebounder willing to go after garbage for his points. He doesn't need a play run for him to contribute. We don't need a player who needs plays run for him and in fact it is best he can live within such a system. Now lets get Daly and if that happens, I don't see how we can miss the playoffs barring serious injury, of course. I think people are underestimating this team even as it is. What we do with Daly or Chandler will show us all how serious the FO is about trying to create an elite team.

If seppuku is your pleasure, somewhere in my nihonto collection I can find just what you need. Wouldn't take so long as a frisbee. Guarantee it.
 
I'm just excited we finally have again someone that can dunk on someone's grill! Hickson has some NASTY dunks on youtube. last time we had explosive athletes was with Webber (before knee injury) and Gerald Wallace.


 
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This sting of posts make me want to commit seppuku with a Frisbee, like a true ninja warrior would. Seriously people: read more, post less.

Personally, I'm excited about the trade. Omri would not be getting what he wanted here. He might in Cleveland, although he'll probably move on to a different market when the time is right. Hickson was doing quite well last year, and should be a good fit. We've traded an excess on our end for a position of need.

Other notes related to this trade:

It's up to Donte now - his minutes should be more consistent. You better be in the gym, buddy.

Whiteside - are you going to be our big of the future? Hopefully your knee is healing, because the minutes won't just be given to you.

Don't be surprised if Donte isn't on the team when the season starts. At best right now, he's behind Salmons and Cisco in the pecking order. That alone doesn't leave a lot of minutes. The Kings are certainly going to give Honeycutt as many minutes as possible when the opportunity presents itself. In general, NBA teams have patience at two positions. Center, and PG. the next postion is PF. SG and SF's are a dime a dozen in the NBA and also in college. You want a a 6'6" to 6'8" player? I've got about 10 thousand of them for you.

The fact that Donte is 6'10" or slightly taller, is immaterial. He's a SF that can't shoot from the outside and can't rebound. He's doesn't handle the ball very well, and won't dazzle anyone with his passing ability. His improvment from day one in the league till now on a scale of 1 to 100 is about 22%. And I may be a little generous here.

His one redeeming value would seem to be his defensive abilities. But he has a net minus in that catagory as well. He comes up with a net, -5.8 rating against his opposition. Well you can make a case that the rating isn't fair because he has to guard the top players in the league like Kobe and Melo etc. Add in that Donte isn't the greatest scorer in the leauge, that gives the opposition a huge advantage. True enough.

I think most would agree that Battier has the same assignments as Greene, if not more, and Battier isn't know for his scoring ability, even if he is a better offensive player than Greene. Yet Battier ends up with just a -.04 at the SF position. In other words, he almost breaks even.

I'm not trying to beat up Greene. I'm just being honest about who he is as a player. The truth is, he was one of the worse players on a team that won 24 games. Which is a damm site worse than being one of the worse players on a team that won 60 games. His major success, is that he beat out Casspi in the rotation. Strangely enough, no one was beating down the door to trade for Green, but they were for Casspi.

I hope I'm wrong! I genuinely like Donte, and I hope he surprises me. But he's used up his credit limit, and he's on his own money now. Its time for payback or moving on.
 
Donte is far more likely TO be on the team next year, becasue he does several things, First, he defends. And net minus = B.S. We, as a team, get significantly better with him on the floor defensively. That's the net that matters. There is not a Battier, Bowen or Sefalosha who has gone through the years with a "net plus" in productivity over their opponents, and yet they are critical components of winning teams. All that matters is what they do to the OTHER guy's numbers.

And of course furthermore Dotne has the following advantages: he's cheap. He's a good chemistry guy. And he mostly accepts his role. And in his positon that is not a negative, its a huge positive. The absolute last thing you want out of a deep bench player is a guy with delusions of grandeur. It was part of what doomed Omri. Its what dooms Chris Douglas Roberts. Its what doomed even a scrub like Tony Massenberg. You can have Donte on a deep roster, he won't cost you much, he can play a role if called upon, and he will be a major cheerleader on the bench. For a deep bench player that's actually almost perfect. Now long term? No. At some point you go looking for something better. Short term I doubt there is much impetus at all that "oh, we have to upgrade our 11th man/3rd SF". Only way it likely even becomes an issue is if we indeed go out and try to sign a Kirilenko type major SF, or I suppose if somebody actively pursues him or more likely wants him as a throw in in a trade. We've already hasd two of those this summer though, and now the league has been shut down, so there may be limited time/stomach for many more.

And I doubt Honeycutt gets much run at all. He was already seen as a guy not necessarily ready this season physically, we're of course trying to take a step forward here and so kids are going to be less in favor. And now we have the lockout preventing him from being able to show us what he's got in summer league, and if it drags on, possibly wiping out his chance to show us anything in training camp either (last lockoout they rushed guys back mid-January and has like a 10 day sprint of a training camp). I think he was picked too high in the second round and came with sufficient rep that he makes the roster, but unless he dazzles in practice he's not going to have much of a chance to show anything, or possibly even learn the plays. That has d-league written all over it.
 
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Donte is far more likely TO be on the team next year, becasue he does several things, First, he defends. And net minus = B.S. We, as a team, get significantly better with him on the floor defensively. That's the net that matters. There is not a Battier, Bowen or Sefalosha who has gone through the years with a "net plus" in productivity over their opponents, and yet they are critical components of winning teams. All that matters is what they do to the OTHER guy's numbers.

And of course furthermore Dotne has the following advantages: he's cheap. He's a good chemistry guy. And he mostly accepts his role. And in his positon that is not a negative, its a huge positive. The absolute last thing you want out of a deep bench player is a guy with delusions of grandeur. It was part of what doomed Omri. Its what dooms Chris Douglas Roberts. Its what doomed even a scrub like Tony Massenberg. You can have Donte on a deep roster, he won't cost you much, he can play a role if called upon, and he will be a major cheerleader on the bench. For a deep bench player that's actually almost perfect. Now long term? No. At some point you go looking for something better. Short term I doubt there is much impetus at all that "oh, we have to upgrade our 11th man/3rd SF". Only way it likely even becomes an issue is if we indeed go out and try to sign a Kirilenko type major SF, or I suppose if somebody actively pursues him or more likely wants him as a throw in in a trade. We've already hasd two of those this summer though, and now the league has been shut down, so there may be limited time/stomach for many more.

And I doubt Honeycutt gets much run at all. He was already seen as a guy not necessarily ready this season physically, we're of course trying to take a step forward here and so kids are going to be less in favor. And now we have the lockout preventing him from being able to show us what he's got in summer league, and if it drags on, possibly wiping out his chance to show us anything in training camp either (last lockoout they rushed guys back mid-January and has like a 10 day sprint of a training camp). I think he was picked too high in the second round and came with sufficient rep that he makes the roster, but unless he dazzles in practice he's not going to have much of a chance to show anything, or possibly even learn the plays. That has d-league written all over it.

I agree with some of your points. Donte is cheap, but I don't agree that he's some great defensive guru. He's not. He just happened to be the best defensive SF we had last season not named Cisco, who did have a better plus/minus than Greene, although not by much. Your also right that most defensive specialists are in the minus catagory because of who they have to guard, but their not usually -6.0. They all come much closer to making it a push. That aside, I have no qualms about keeping Donte, but Kings management might. I hope Donte works on his game and comes into camp in shape. As I said, I like him, but no more free rides. Its time to put up or shut up, because talk is cheap.

As for Honeycutt, he was projected as a 1st round pick, so saying that he was drafted too high in the 2nd round doesn't make sense. Most pundits, for what their opinion is worth, thought he was a steal where the Kings picked him. I would guess that any playing time will be mostly garbage time, until such time he proves he deserves more. I saw him play quite a bit, although watching UCLA play last season was almost torture for me. The word boring springs to mind. But the main area in which Honeycutt excelled was your favorite. Defense!! He was an excellent defender, who could shoot the ball if needed.

The last player that came out of UCLA that was expected to be a star was Kevin Love. However, since Love, there have been several players that underacheived at UCLA, but have gone on to excell at the NBA level. Point being, is that Howland doesn't seem to the most out of his players, at least offensively. Thus his recruiting has taken a big hit of late. Example, he only landed one player out of the top 150 highschool grads this coming season. And that player was ranked at 69th.

Anyway, I went a long way to say that its highly possible that Honeycutt may fall into that group of UCLA underacheivers that excell at the next level. He was a highly recruited player, who like Malcom Lee, was thought of as disappointing.
 
Ughhhh. I want basketball!

My suggestion, play some NBA 2K11. I just bought that game via GamersGate for $6.78 (The PC version). You need a pretty strong PC to run it at max settings, but it's pretty awesome because of all the modders that have made custom rosters, faces, uniforms, courts, etc, etc.

The mod community already has a mod up and running with all the newly drafted rookies, their faces, their style of gameplay, everything. It's pretty cool.

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Donte could enhance his defensive reputation if he just managed to rebound the ball. I'm with Baja: it wouldn't surprise me if he gets traded. He's on the bubble, that's for sure. And Honeycutt has more talent than Greene. Not saying he'll smoke up the league next year, but he's got a high ceiling.
 
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