Trade Brad Miller

[SacTownKid]

A Brad/Pryzbilla 4/5 combo I'm not sure on for a few reasons.. also Pryzbilla isn't looking for a bench spot. Be great if he would accept that though.

Chandler's been playing excellent since late January. I'd be delighted if we got him, but I'm not sure if we do at all.

And those reasons are?

I wouldn't mind Chandler but there is really no way to get him here without giving up one of our other big deals in return. most likely Brad. He simply makes too much. Still the idea is to bring a paint defender. Tyson would be perfect, and I am sure there are other options than Tyson or Joel.

I think Joel could be had for the MLE, because Portland doesn't own his bird rights and teams with cap probably won't be looking at him as seriously.

 

[Kings113]

Money and speed. I just think it's up in the air. Not against getting him...

 

[SacKings4Life21]

And those reasons are?

I wouldn't mind Chandler but there is really no way to get him here without giving up one of our other big deals in return. most likely Brad. He simply makes too much. Still the idea is to bring a paint defender. Tyson would be perfect, and I am sure there are other options than Tyson or Joel.

I think Joel could be had for the MLE, because Portland doesn't own his bird rights and teams with cap probably won't be looking at him as seriously.

agreed. MLE will fill joel i think... but if we do that... can we resign bonzi because he is on our team? or would we have to use MLE to resign?

 

[nbrans]

Come on, people, we're talking about improving the defense here, not adding a dirt poor man's Brad Miller. Can you really see either Brad Miller or Joel Pryzbilla guarding Garnett, Bosh and whatever other good 4s are in the league? I sure can't.

The only type of player that makes sense alongside Brad is someone who is athletic enough to guard 4s and big enough to guard 5s. Joel Pryzbilla is a decent one on one defender and rebounder, but he's not that guy.

 

[Troy]

Come on, people, we're talking about improving the defense here, not adding a dirt poor man's Brad Miller. Can you really see either Brad Miller or Joel Pryzbilla guarding Garnett, Bosh and whatever other good 4s are in the league? I sure can't.

The only type of player that makes sense alongside Brad is someone who is athletic enough to guard 4s and big enough to guard 5s. Joel Pryzbilla is a decent one on one defender and rebounder, but he's not that guy.

Who is then??? That is probably the most desirable basketball player a big athletic shoot blocking/rebounding monster who can play PF and C. I'd take a big ogger who is an anti social SOB and doesn't like people putting the ball through our basket. You just say "guard our basket and give Bibby the ball when you get it" and let him do his thing, it doesn't have to be pretty.

How about some WWF big guy like the Undertaker? Isn't he like 7' feet or so and would scare the crap out of people going inside???

 

[Rome]

Who is then??? That is probably the most desirable basketball player a big athletic shoot blocking/rebounding monster who can play PF and C. I'd take a big ogger who is an anti social SOB and doesn't like people putting the ball through our basket. You just say "guard our basket and give Bibby the ball when you get it" and let him do his thing, it doesn't have to be pretty.

How about some WWF big guy like the Undertaker? Isn't he like 7' feet or so and would scare the crap out of people going inside???

He doesn't need to be 7'0. Griffen will do because he's very active on defense and blocks shots. We want a good help defender + shot blocking. Joel is a good man to man defender but thats about it...

 

[beemerr23]

Come on, people, we're talking about improving the defense here, not adding a dirt poor man's Brad Miller. Can you really see either Brad Miller or Joel Pryzbilla guarding Garnett, Bosh and whatever other good 4s are in the league? I sure can't.

The only type of player that makes sense alongside Brad is someone who is athletic enough to guard 4s and big enough to guard 5s. Joel Pryzbilla is a decent one on one defender and rebounder, but he's not that guy.

I agree completely, putting Brad at the 4 is NOT the solution. If you're going to keep Brad at all, he needs to be at the C position. The only way to possibly keep Miller and improve the team is to get a solid PF who can block shots and rebound. We don't need a 6'7 Kenny Thomas in the post fighting for rebounds, that's why he averages so much. Brad Miller is completely useless when he's guarded on the perimeter, he can't pass, shoot, and doesn't even think about driving. Ultimately, we need to trade Miller/KT for a decent C and let Shareef run the PF position, he's been stellar.

Oh yeah, VF21...so much for Brad bouncing back in game 2 huh.

 

[Kings113]

Agreed about Griffin.

Joel is a good shotblocker also.

 

[Troy]

I agree completely, putting Brad at the 4 is NOT the solution. If you're going to keep Brad at all, he needs to be at the C position. The only way to possibly keep Miller and improve the team is to get a solid PF who can block shots and rebound. We don't need a 6'7 Kenny Thomas in the post fighting for rebounds, that's why he averages so much. Brad Miller is completely useless when he's guarded on the perimeter, he can't pass, shoot, and doesn't even think about driving. Ultimately, we need to trade Miller/KT for a decent C and let Shareef run the PF position, he's been stellar.

Oh yeah, VF21...so much for Brad bouncing back in game 2 huh.

Good post, I agree trade Miller and KT for a good Center. How about Marcus Camby? I loved how he played today again the Clippers. I heard he is the leader in blocked shots and makes rebounding look easy. He's a bit thin, but I think that plays to his advantage being as how he is so athletic. How about Camby for Miller and KT? I don't know the salary and I hope we can get another player from the Nuggets, Eduaro would be nice. That Mexican can play, no pun intended, I'm a big fan of his.

 

[SacTownKid]

agreed. MLE will fill joel i think... but if we do that... can we resign bonzi because he is on our team? or would we have to use MLE to resign?

We have Bonzi's bird rights so we can basicall sign him for whatever we want. I think that extra year could really work in our favor if it comes down to re-signing him, or in a sign and trade.

If Chicago and Atlanta don't want to pay Joel big $$$ than he is going to have to settle for the MLE, at best.

And Joel is a far better "help" defender (which is what we need) than a one-on-one defender. He gets his blocks from protecting the rim.

 

[Rome]

I agree with the posters above. Trade Brad/KT for Camby and then let Reef run the 4 position. He can shoot/post up and pass very effectively unlike brad who just relies heavily on his jumpshot. Reef can also play decent defense.

If Reef had a center like Camby who can help him rebound and block shots he would be averaging nearly 20-25 ppg. He's proven it b4.

 

[SacTownKid]

I would definately consider that trade. But we wouldn't have to include Kenny. Brad and Camby make about the same amount of money.


Another guy I have mentioned before is Etan Thomas. He would be perfect for that 4/5 guy that can play both positions, will rebound and protect the rim. Kenny Thomas for Etan Thomas is just to realistic to ever happen though.

 

[BMiller52]

Good post, I agree trade Miller and KT for a good Center. How about Marcus Camby? I loved how he played today again the Clippers. I heard he is the leader in blocked shots and makes rebounding look easy. He's a bit thin, but I think that plays to his advantage being as how he is so athletic. How about Camby for Miller and KT? I don't know the salary and I hope we can get another player from the Nuggets, Eduaro would be nice. That Mexican can play, no pun intended, I'm a big fan of his.

To make a trade the other team has to agree to the trade too. ;-_-

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I would definately consider that trade. But we wouldn't have to include Kenny. Brad and Camby make about the same amount of money.


Another guy I have mentioned before is Etan Thomas. He would be perfect for that 4/5 guy that can play both positions, will rebound and protect the rim. Kenny Thomas for Etan Thomas is just to realistic to ever happen though.

If Washington could be talked into that, we ought to try to get Jarvis Hayes, too: K. Thomas/Hart for E. Thomas/Hayes sounds about right.

Then (since KG fantasies are the "word of the day" at KF), we could S&T Wells, Miller and Potapenko for Garnett, and have Hayes as an insurance policy for Martin.

Leaving the following lineup:

G - Bibby
G - Martin
F - Artest
F - Garnett
C - E. Thomas

Of course, we'd still have a few Bench issues to work out:

F/C - Abdur-Rahim
G/F - Garcia
G - Hayes
F - Williamson
G - Price

 

[Rome]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
15.0 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 4.7 apg in 37.0 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
9.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes
Incoming

Marcus Camby
6-11 C from Massachusetts
12.8 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.1 minutes

Eduardo Najera
6-8 SF from Oklahoma
5.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 22.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: -5.9 ppg, +1.7 rpg, and -3.9 apg.

Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Marcus Camby
6-11 C from Massachusetts
12.8 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.1 minutes

Eduardo Najera
6-8 SF from Oklahoma
5.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 22.7 minutes
Incoming

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
15.0 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 4.7 apg in 37.0 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
9.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +5.9 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and +3.9 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Denver being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Denver had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

New Lineup:

Camby/MLE
Reef/Eduardo Najera
Artest/Garcia
Bonzi/Martin
Bibby/Hart

Why Denver does this trade:

Denver is really looking for some outside shooting and Brad Miller could be that guy for them. They are one of the worst shooting teams and they need somone who can "spread the floor".

Why Sacramento does this trade:
Allows Reef to play his starting role as a scorer and Camby gives us a interior toughness/major shot blocking/rebounding. Only reason i want KT out is because he won't come off the bench. Eduardo Najera will be that energy guy off the bench and he does all the little things that make a huge impact in the game.

 

[BMiller52]

Camby is a good mid range shooter. The nuggets don't need anybody who can hit the midrange shot, KMart, Camby, Miller, Mello all can hit that. They need 3 point shooters to spread the floor so their post players and slashers have more room to operate.

 

[Rome]

Camby is a good mid range shooter. The nuggets don't need anybody who can hit the midrange shot, KMart, Camby, Miller, Mello all can hit that. They need 3 point shooters to spread the floor so their post players and slashers have more room to operate.

yea i was thinking about that too. well im going for Mr. S£im Citrus trade idea.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well the one thing that makes Brad so valuable is his passing ability. He is the best passing big man in the game right now. So you could always use that as a selling point.

 

[Rome]

I hope Brad requests a trade to be sent to Indianna this summer but we secretly decide to send him to Minni for KG lol.

 

[Troy]

I hope Brad requests a trade to be sent to Indianna this summer but we secretly decide to send him to Minni for KG lol.

I don't care where he goes (Brad), just get him out of here if he doesn't show up. I would love a Marcus Camby/Francisco Elson trade for Miller, KT, Corliss or something. Elson doesn't make a lot of $ and he and Camby are PF/C types being as athletic as they are for there size. Do you think we can get Denver to go along with this? I like KT, but he has proven that he cannot come off the bench and is a big cry baby, and is very undersized for the PF he plays, his shot also scares me with his hop and straight arm approach....he has a similar shot at the free throw line, without the big jump, just relying on his straight arm.

Seeing SAR being the monster he is the last games against the Spurs convinced me that he should start for us and deserves it? We do need to spread the floor more, but this should be done with anyone other than out PF or Center, not a 7' ft Center how it is now, we just don't need that, also we cannot have 2 huge defensive liabilities on the floor in our starting lineup....Bibby is enough and makes up for it better than Miller who is the 2nd wave that should be supporting Bibby and guard the hoop. We have to just have Bibby do his thing and pass and shot and try to play the best defense he can and have a play close to the hoop Center and/or PF.

 

[Rome]

I don't care where he goes (Brad), just get him out of here if he doesn't show up. I would love a Marcus Camby/Francisco Elson trade for Miller, KT, Corliss or something. Elson doesn't make a lot of $ and he and Camby are PF/C types being as athletic as they are for there size. Do you think we can get Denver to go along with this? I like KT, but he has proven that he cannot come off the bench and is a big cry baby, and is very undersized for the PF he plays, his shot also scares me with his hop and straight arm approach....he has a similar shot at the free throw line, without the big jump, just relying on his straight arm.

Seeing SAR being the monster he is the last games against the Spurs convinced me that he should start for us and deserves it? We do need to spread the floor more, but this should be done with anyone other than out PF or Center, not a 7' ft Center how it is now, we just don't need that, also we cannot have 2 huge defensive liabilities on the floor in our starting lineup....Bibby is enough and makes up for it better than Miller who is the 2nd wave that should be supporting Bibby and guard the hoop. We have to just have Bibby do his thing and pass and shot and try to play the best defense he can and have a play close to the hoop Center and/or PF.

Yea i totally agree.

Miller drives me nuts watching PGs and centers run and score all over him. And his offense sucks too once someone decides to guard him.

He can't contribute in any way once you take away his mid range shot.

 

[nbrans]

One trade possibility, depending on who's available and draft position, would be to trade Brad Miller to the Bulls or Raptors straight up for their lottery pick and draft Joakim Noah (if he comes out), Tyrus Thomas, Bargnani or LaMarcus Aldridge. The Bulls and Raptors need centers, and they already have plenty of young players. They will be under the cap, and can absorb Brad's salary without sending players in return.

It would be a pretty big risk, and I still think Brad is a good outside threat that compliments Artest, but he is getting up in age and his ever-increasing softness is worrysome. But shedding Brad's salary could potentially set the Kings up to be big players in the 2007 offseason, when all the Dirk, Paul Pierce, Rashard, etc. will be free agents.

 

[Troy]

One trade possibility, depending on who's available and draft position, would be to trade Brad Miller to the Bulls or Raptors straight up for their lottery pick and draft Joakim Noah (if he comes out), Tyrus Thomas, Bargnani or LaMarcus Aldridge. The Bulls and Raptors need centers, and they already have plenty of young players. They will be under the cap, and can absorb Brad's salary without sending players in return.

It would be a pretty big risk, and I still think Brad is a good outside threat that compliments Artest, but he is getting up in age and his ever-increasing softness is worrysome. But shedding Brad's salary could potentially set the Kings up to be big players in the 2007 offseason, when all the Dirk, Paul Pierce, Rashard, etc. will be free agents.

As you know it's very risky trading a known player and a good shooter and decent passer like Brad for a unknown college kid with lots of potential. I'm willing to do it though seeing what I'm seeing from Brad. The list of free agents next year is very very tempting, imagine the team we'd be with Dirk added to Artest, Bonzi, Bibby, and Camby, or Prizbilla at C. Dirk is unstoppable and we'd be like Brad who if we got him, we could also get the monster C we want like Prizbilla, or whoever who is a defense 1st kind of guy because we'd be getting plenty of offense production from Dirk. I'd love to see SAR off the bench behind Dirk as well as our 6th man. Now we're talking, we have the Maloofs as our owners, they can go over the cap and not hurt too much. I don't think we need to be like the Knicks, or Yankees with buying talent at all costs, but we can make some excepts with the Dirk's, KG's, Nash's of the NBA. They are superstars and worth the cost because of everything they bring to the game.

On second though, Dirk would be great, but how about KG at center
Bibby, Bonzi, Artest, Dirk, KG
I mean come on, if the Lakers can have their fantasy lineup like they had with Shaq and Kobe, why cannot we? We have some rich owners who love to see the Kings win, you need to spend $ to make $ so why not open the check book a little, right?
I know I need to stop dreaming, ok then just KG and I'm happy, make it happen Maloofs

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Dirk is never leaving Dallas...

 

[SacKings4Life21]

I am excited about Camby for Miller... wow that would be awesome. Evertyhing we need. And I i bet Denver would do it. But Camby is old, 32. And He always gets hurt. so is it worth the risk?

 

[Troy]

Dirk is never leaving Dallas...

I know, but didn't you think the same thing about Nash??? I know he is their franchise player and for good reason. We would also be competing with Cuban who isn't afraid to spend $ and match our offer if we did want to go after Dirk in free agency. Well at least let's try to get KG with Brad, KT, Corliss and some cold hard cash.

 

[nbrans]

Yeah, it's a major risk, and it can backfire horribly (Brand for Chandler) or it can be a stroke of genius (Divac for Kobe). I like what Miller brings on offense, and would rather see a defensive player added that hides some of Brad's weaknesses. But if Petrie has decided Miller isn't the future, it's a gamble that could pay off.

 

[Troy]

Yeah, it's a major risk, and it can backfire horribly (Brand for Chandler) or it can be a stroke of genius (Divac for Kobe). I like what Miller brings on offense, and would rather see a defensive player added that hides some of Brad's weaknesses. But if Petrie has decided Miller isn't the future, it's a gamble that could pay off.

True true, but wouldn't you rather see Brad, KT, Corliss traded for a known comodity in this league that has proven himself? It is a huge gamble to trade a top center as Brad is listed in the NBA for a top draft pick. This is a weak draft after all this year. I don't know the college scene, but we aren't talking about a Lebron, Carmelo, Wade kind of college guy are we???? I know that nothing is a sure thing and many top drafted guys are complete duds, so this scares me alot to trade a know guy like Brad on some pick. I much rather package him up with the other pieces we want to get rid of and hopefully someone wants and get some players for them or 1 allstar if possible.

NBrans, I know you know your stuff as VF21, Bricklayer and other senior members here, so what do you think of the Miller, KT, Corliss for Camby, Elson, Edwardo trade will it fly and make us a lot better? I think so.

On a side note, I don't know what the Bulls were thinking to trade away Brand and Artest. Those 2 guys together would be pretty scary considering they are both very stout and beat people up with their strength. I would love to see that on the Kings, but I'm pretty happy with how Bonzi and Artest create mismatches currently.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

WEll If Brad has strenght then, he doesnt now. But yes I would love Miller KT and corlis for camby najera and elson. THat would be brilliant

 

[Troy]

WEll If Brad has strenght then, he doesnt now. But yes I would love Miller KT and corlis for camby najera and elson. THat would be brilliant

That would be awesome, but not as good as for KG. The Denver trade is a good option B and I like the multiple needs it would fill although not making the big splash obviously of landing a stud like KG. Come on, money talks and we have it in our rich owners, why cannot we do it with sending Minn 3 of our guys and cash for 1 of their's??? I think it's very fair, if not a better deal for them.


Right now I think our only untouchables are in that order:

Bibby/Artest
Bonzi
SAR

SAR is hard to say, the guy showed me a lot in the 2nd Spurs game and carried us and I love his off the bench production, but if we are talking getting a KG, Brand, Dirk, then sorry SAR pack those bags bud.

Somewhat untouchable, but there for a good deal getting a little more than we give, in that order:

Miller
SAR
Kmart
Cisco