Trade Brad Miller

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Don't think I would trade him straight up for Brad. We are all really blasting Brad for having a horrible series, but Chandler can be one of the most inconsistent players I have ever seen, mainly because he is so foul prone. I would love to have him side by side with a guy like Brad, but not a frontline of Kenny Thomas and Tyson Chandler.

I really do like Tyson though. I have watched him since he has come in the league, and one thing I don't get is that he hasn't really improved much as a basketball player. He still has ZERO offensive game, we can't rely on Mike Bibby to spread the floor by himself. Tyson will get you 9 rebounds, 5 points, and 1.5 blocks a game. Not for Brad.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Dalembert? Okay, I could see a case for some of those guys, but at the point at which you're saying that Dalembert is a better center than Miller, you're just revealing your own blind hatred; Dalembert can do exactly one thing better than Miller, which is block shots, and that does not remotely make him a better center. Okur and Miller are essentially the same player. In fact, Miller is actually a better shooter than Okur. Ilgauskas is also remarkably similar to Miller, except that he blocks more shots. Kaman? One season of 12/9 ball suddenly makes him better than Miller? I'm not sold. I refuse to rate Stoudemire at center until he plays more than one season at center (one season at PF and one at C does not equate to C to me... especially not when Phoenix acquired Kurt Thomas to play center, so that Stoudemire and Marion could both go back to their natural positions).

Given that, I'd say that O'Neal, Yao, Wallace and Camby are closer to reality, in terms of centers that are better than Miller. The rest of those guys (Stoudemire gets a mulligan) fall into the "less than or equal to" category.
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Dalembert plays better defense than Miller, and rebounds better on top of blocking shots. Okur and Miller are similar in the fact that they can hit from behind the arc, but Okur can rebound better. Iglauskus has a post game and can block shots, Miller doesn't. Kaman has been a monster this season, him and Brand dominate the boards for the Clippers. If Kaman didn't have a dominant rebounding PF like Brand with him, he'd be pulling down 13 rebounds a game. He's also had numerous games this season where he's pulled down 20+ boards. Stoudemire is indubitably a C and has more than proven himself in this league as a dominant C.
 
beemerr23 said:
Dalembert plays better defense than Miller, and rebounds better on top of blocking shots.
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Dalembert is not a better defender; he doesn't deny position any better than Miller does, doesn't box out, and can't cover the perimeter. He's a better shot-blocker, and that's all he's proven to be. Shot blocker =/= defender, in and of itself.

beemerr23 said:
... Okur and Miller are similar in the fact that they can hit from behind the arc, but Okur can rebound better.
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Career numbers don't bear this out.

beemerr23 said:
... Iglauskus has a post game and can block shots, Miller doesn't.
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But he doesn't defend well overall, he can't stay in front of his man any better than Miller can, and he's a poor rebounder as well. Offensively, their strengths cancel each other out.

beemerr23 said:
Kaman has been a monster this season, him and Brand dominate the boards for the Clippers. If Kaman didn't have a dominant rebounding PF like Brand with him, he'd be pulling down 13 rebounds a game. He's also had numerous games this season where he's pulled down 20+ boards.
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One season doesn't make him a better center. I'll be willing to retract that statement when he does it again, but not until then.

beemerr23 said:
Stoudemire is indubitably a C and has more than proven himself in this league as a dominant C.
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Then why were the Suns going to (and still will, if Thomas is healthy next season) move him back to PF?
 
I just hope we get rid of Brad soon. His years are looking like their comming to an end. He's too slow, he can't rebound, play defense and his scoring should be higher for a franchise that lost one if it's best players.
 
The team starts with the coach and the STYLE of play the coach favors. To start speculation threads about trading or signing particular players when the coach has to be named is questionable. If the Kings retain Rick and Pete Catrill then regardless of the line up the team will run at lest some variation of the Princeton offense. If they let Rick go and bring in say … Nelly, well then the offense will go fast and defense will be no consideration at all. And so on with any coach you can think of the teams needs will change and value of players will change. Bottom line this is not fantasy basketball where you can cut and paste players by stats and call it a win.

So Arguments about trading or signing players really depend on who you see at the helm. If you see Rick coming back it is worth looking at his season long assist and scoring numbers and then try to imagine your preferred center playing in the Princeton offenses. Then consider Brads trade value to other teams. Trust me I am not opposed to trading Brad in general, it’s just with so many if’s in the mix it really is hard to find a likely scenario. It seems much more likely that the Kings can move some other pieces and hopefully get a power forward that will complement Brad’s play with in the system. Of course if you are looking to see Rick go then the number of possible trades changes.
 
Kings113 said:
Not a good man-defender yet though.
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... Which is pretty much exactly what I said. Dalembert is a great weak-side shot blocker, and is becoming a "pretty good" rebounder. But that does not, by itself, equate to "good defender," and that's all that Dalembert gives you.
 
I'm not going to keep pointing out that Miller can't rebound/defend/block shots because I feel like I'm repeating myself...and others are as well. I'll just leave it at this: Miller isn't our solution to solving the problems we have with this team.
 
well we need a inside banger to match with our new team attidude

I think k9 is a great @ the 4 - even though hes undersized hes tough and doesnt back down(like ron and bonzi)

Brad is just too soft - we need someone who can handle the the paint - ATTEMPT to block shots - grab rebounds and ocassionaly score @ the post
 
beemerr23 said:
I'm not going to keep pointing out that Miller can't rebound/defend/block shots because I feel like I'm repeating myself...and others are as well. I'll just leave it at this: Miller isn't our solution to solving the problems we have with this team.
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But move Miller, and you create a whole new world of problems. When he is on you see what happens. Tonight he was hitting, and we blew out the world champs. He also had 2 blocks. 2 rebounds I can deal with considering we were getting all the boards anyway.
 
^but see, thats the problem. Brad was hitting tonight and played a very solid game, almost looking back in form. His inconsistency is his weakness and this was his first strong game in the series. I loved seeing it. When he excels he is fun to watch. He hasn't made a habit of showing up at every game. If he did, he could be very effective.
 
We need a PF to compliment Brad, since Brad isn't likely to go, IMO. KT's a good rebounder, has the quickness, but the size/lost jumper/no shot-blocking hurts. He's more ideal in the East or with a center like Amare (Marion, though should change next year)/Camby (K-Mart, either way)/Shaq (Haslem)/Yao (Howard).

Realistically, a guy like Griffin/Elson/maybe Nene would fit well next to Brad or getting good minutes off the bench (not for Nene). Depending on if Rick's back, and what he'd do if so. Griffin I'd expect to find his shot again, and Elson can hit from the outside well. Both good rebounders, shot-blockers, 6'10+, athletic. Neither need the ball to be effective, but do have some kind of offense. Both can play center if needed too, as shown a number of times this season. Either wouldn't be expensive (Griffin's contract is small).
 
Just yesterday I was saying to myself, I think this might be Brad's last games with us. The thing is he spreads the floor. We already have 2 low post players in Ron and Bonzi. If we do in fact trade Brad for a low post center we begin to clog up that lane for Bonzi and Ron to work. Another problem is that Bibby can't be the only player that we have spreading the floor. We in fact may need Brad. IMO we need a clone of godzilla at PF that will hopefully compliment the type of player that Brad is.
 
all I can say is that I 100% agree with trading Miller. The guy has a good jump shot and good passing skills, but that's not what we need him for. We need a good inside defender and I at 6'0 can defend the paint better then Miller. Let him play for the Monarchs.
 
Mista 808 said:
all I can say is that I 100% agree with trading Miller. The guy has a good jump shot and good passing skills, but that's not what we need him for. We need a good inside defender and I at 6'0 can defend the paint better then Miller. Let him play for the Monarchs.
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Yolanda could probably tear him a new one.
 
Ryle said:
Yolanda could probably tear him a new one.
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exactly what I was implying. There were a few plays down the stretch where Parker came right at Brad and rather than putting him at the line to earn his shots he just put his hand straight up without going for the ball whatsoever... that was really what set me off because that was inside the 3 minutes when we were just tied moments before.. YOU CANNOT LET PARKER look you in the eyes and think in his lil head "oh, it's only Brad Miller, he's just going to put his hands up and that's about it" you have to foul this guy in the clutch regardless of how many fouls you had, which at the time I don't think Miller was anywhere close in foul trouble... And if he were, GOOD GET HIM OUT OF THE GAME! And Brad was making Timmy D look better than Timmy D should've been looking.
 
get rid of miller and thomas. not sure who would take either of those scrubs. brad has had a few good years. come playoff time his mind is on hunting. trade him to the blazers or some other team that doesn't care about winning.
 
Potapenko should of got some minutes against Duncan, don't know about Sampson, but he would of got rebounds and blocks.
 
Maybe Brad Wants to Be Traded

I know this has been said over and over but anyone ever heard of Jerome James. This guy averaged close to 20 points, 10 rebounds, and a couple blocks a game last year in the playoffs against Brad. Let me ask you this though. Had you ever heard of him before or since then. The guy was a stiff. Miller made him look like a young Walt Chamberlin.
Earlier this season Brad also hinted at the idea of ending his career in Indiana with the Pacers. Hell, I'd have to think conserably about trading him for Granger myself if that deal came on the table.
Regardless of whether or not he wants to be traded why the heck can't Miller foul Paker hard one time so that next time he decided to dribble down the lane he'd have to think twice about it. You can't realistically expect Bibby or Martin to stay in front of Parker 100% of the time but would any of you be afraid to take it to the hoop against Miller.
Lastly, why Does Brad seem to look so scared to always shoot the ball. If he was really the great outside shooter that everyone says he is then why does this happen so much. I can't stand it anymore. Think of all the great outside shooters in the league. Can you name one that is as scared to shoot the ball as much as Miller is.
 
no excuse for the lack of effort!!!

Please trade Brad ASAP in the offseason. He has about as much heart as Peja.
 
So you guys finally realize how much of a liability Brad is on defense and then how easy it is for the opposing team to just "shut him down".

Welcome to the "Trade Brad" bandwagon. :)
 
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Haha, Portland might just be crazy enough to propose a deal like the one I suggested.

There are two very good powerforward/center type of players in this draft.
 
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