The SF Question

[LPKingsFan]

So if We amnesty Salmons today can we make a bid on Kleiza to get a backup SF, then use the Money for Oden/Mosgov? Hmmmmmm

Sure, but some point, you have a full roster, and need to worry more about quality than quantity!

Cousins/[Oden or Mosgov]/Hayes
JT/Landry/Patterson
LMAM/Kleiza/Outlaw
Thornton/McLemore/Jimmer
Vasquez/Thomas/McCallum

Probably more total talent than last year's squad, potentially better fit, but spread much too thin to do any good.

 

[jalfa]

this is more of an fyi thing, but:

Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN 8m Mike Miller expects to be waived by Heat with amnesty clause today & reps are reaching out to interested teams, sources tell ESPN

if you gave me any guarantee that he could play 60+ games...maybe. but this is probably not an ideal solution for either party.

 

[Kingsfan23]

this is more of an fyi thing, but:



if you gave me any guarantee that he could play 60+ games...maybe. but this is probably not an ideal solution for either party.

I wouldn't think that the ownership would want to pay the money to amnesty Salmons to add players who werent definitively better

 

[dude12]

this is more of an fyi thing, but:



if you gave me any guarantee that he could play 60+ games...maybe. but this is probably not an ideal solution for either party.

Yeah....a slightly younger or rather healthier Miller would be ideal. He just looks physically cooked.

 

[macadocious]

Is Kleiza hurt? He just got amnestied. I know we (KF.com) had interest in him at one time.

 

[KingMilz]

Is Kleiza hurt? He just got amnestied. I know we (KF.com) had interest in him at one time.

Not hurt raptors had to do it to avoid paying luxury tax or something along those lines,

Also can anyone who watched a lot of college games tell me about that SF that plays in the OKC summer league squad I think his name is either Robertson or Roberson, he looked fairly impressive to me could we maybe snag him and trade him for Thomas if he's worth it?

 

[KingMilz]

Since the Magic are looking to trade Afflalo to create more playing time for Victor (and get rid of AA's contract) what would Kings fans think about maybe trying to play AA (assuming we can throw a decent package @ Orlando which we should be able to)as a undersized SF? He's 6'5 215 roughly (similar to Salmons), tough as nails and has in the past at times defended SF's (in his Denver days, didn't watch much of him in Orlando).

He's a excellent defender and the floor spacing would be unreal with him/Big Mac/Thornton/Patterson waiting on the wings. He can post up a little as well, this would move Luke Richard to the bench and allow him to be our "stopper" @ the SF spot from the bench if we need it. I really think even though he may lack the size for it his toughness will allow him to do it.

 

[DesertFox]

Since the Magic are looking to trade Afflalo to create more playing time for Victor (and get rid of AA's contract) what would Kings fans think about maybe trying to play AA (assuming we can throw a decent package @ Orlando which we should be able to)as a undersized SF? He's 6'5 215 roughly (similar to Salmons), tough as nails and has in the past at times defended SF's (in his Denver days, didn't watch much of him in Orlando).

He's a excellent defender and the floor spacing would be unreal with him/Big Mac/Thornton/Patterson waiting on the wings. He can post up a little as well, this would move Luke Richard to the bench and allow him to be our "stopper" @ the SF spot from the bench if we need it. I really think even though he may lack the size for it his toughness will allow him to do it.

Affalo gets paid less than MT, so he is not exactly a huge contract. And they would look for a center and ask for Cuz, which is obviously a no. Can't see any combination of Kings big/pg that would look appealing to the Magic.

Add in the fact that he would be playing out of position with 2 other big minute players at SG, and I don't see a great match.

 

[Bricklayer]

Since the Magic are looking to trade Afflalo to create more playing time for Victor (and get rid of AA's contract) what would Kings fans think about maybe trying to play AA (assuming we can throw a decent package @ Orlando which we should be able to)as a undersized SF? He's 6'5 215 roughly (similar to Salmons), tough as nails and has in the past at times defended SF's (in his Denver days, didn't watch much of him in Orlando).

He's a excellent defender and the floor spacing would be unreal with him/Big Mac/Thornton/Patterson waiting on the wings. He can post up a little as well, this would move Luke Richard to the bench and allow him to be our "stopper" @ the SF spot from the bench if we need it. I really think even though he may lack the size for it his toughness will allow him to do it.

Unfortunately he's a SG. Put him at SF and you are back to the Salmons just too damn small/weak problem.

 

[jalfa]

Affalo gets paid less than MT, so he is not exactly a huge contract. And they would look for a center and ask for Cuz, which is obviously a no. Can't see any combination of Kings big/pg that would look appealing to the Magic.

Add in the fact that he would be playing out of position with 2 other big minute players at SG, and I don't see a great match.

while I completely agree with you on the trade thing and Afflalo's being an SG, why would the Magic look for a centre? Vucevic has been doing really well for them and should most definitely be their starting centre from here on out, just based on his improvements in one year (although not playing for Doug Collins might have had something to do with that). the Magic would probably be looking most closely at help for the PG spot, the only position where they don't have a player that projects to be part of their future core (btw, how quickly did they get a new core together? crazy).

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Affalo gets paid less than MT, so he is not exactly a huge contract. And they would look for a center and ask for Cuz, which is obviously a no. Can't see any combination of Kings big/pg that would look appealing to the Magic.

I don't think Afflalo is a particularly good fit for us at all unless we trade Thornton - he's definitely best suited at SG - but asking for Cousins would be ridiculous. If you know the answer is no, why even bother? Salarywise, a Patterson/Fredette deal would work, and wouldn't be a terrible offer, especially if Orlando wants to dump salary.

 

[Section 101]

Not hurt raptors had to do it to avoid paying luxury tax or something along those lines,

Also can anyone who watched a lot of college games tell me about that SF that plays in the OKC summer league squad I think his name is either Robertson or Roberson, he looked fairly impressive to me could we maybe snag him and trade him for Thomas if he's worth it?

Wrong. He had micro-fracture surgery and has never been the same. He may have 1 or 2 good games then be terrible for weeks.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'd rather have Mbah a Moute guarding the Durants, LeBrons, and Paul Georges of the league than Afflalo.

 

[KingMilz]

I'd rather have Mbah a Moute guarding the Durants, LeBrons, and Paul Georges of the league than Afflalo.

On offense I rather have Afflalo spacing the floor and posting up, I think people get to caught up with size when It comes to positions (rightfully so), but I don't why a tough minded and physically tough player like Afflalo can't defend SF's, PJ Tucker did It last year (playing less mins),Dwyane Wade guarded Paul George a lot in the playoffs, I rather have a guy starting and spacing the floor for Cousins while being slightly undersized than a guy good size who can't spread the floor. I mean it says Andre Igoudola who everyone here wanted as our SF is 6'6 207 (yahoo, but im pretty sure he's a bit more) and they have Afflalo @ 6'5 215 so I don't really see the big deal. He provides everything the team needs in defense, shooting, a player who knows his limitations and just a tough SOB.

I will agree he is a SG but he has guarded the likes of LeBron before, it's not like he's going to be a undersized PF battling for boards and things of that nature, imo it's more important a players mental/physical nature rather (when they are close to the right size) and AA likes to bang and Is physical.

PG: Vasquez playmaker
SG: M16: shooter
SF: Afflalo: shooter
PF:JT/Pat : jack of all trades/shooter
C: Cousins: playmaker

That line up to me looks far better than the one with Luc Richard (who will be excellent off the bench), end of the day it's very unlikely Lebron, Durrant and the other SF's will be stopped so it's better we make them work BOTH ways, AA can do that Luke Richard cannot. Sometimes offense can be a good defense in that you tire a player out, Afflalo and M16 are excellent moving off the ball (and both have very high energy levels, Afflalo year in year out gives all on both ends) and having other wing players chasing them all game will lower the opposition wings energy.

From 2008

Afflalo also has done well in workouts. He measured 6-foot-6 in socks, had a 6-foot-9 wingspan and is a muscular 225.

Chad Ford ESPN#

 

[Chupacabra]

On offense I rather have Afflalo spacing the floor and posting up, I think people get to caught up with size when It comes to positions (rightfully so), but I don't why a tough minded and physically tough player like Afflalo can't defend SF's, PJ Tucker did It last year (playing less mins),Dwyane Wade guarded Paul George a lot in the playoffs, I rather have a guy starting and spacing the floor for Cousins while being slightly undersized than a guy good size who can't spread the floor. I mean it says Andre Igoudola who everyone here wanted as our SF is 6'6 207 (yahoo, but im pretty sure he's a bit more) and they have Afflalo @ 6'5 215 so I don't really see the big deal. He provides everything the team needs in defense, shooting, a player who knows his limitations and just a tough SOB.

I will agree he is a SG but he has guarded the likes of LeBron before, it's not like he's going to be a undersized PF battling for boards and things of that nature, imo it's more important a players mental/physical nature rather (when they are close to the right size) and AA likes to bang and Is physical.

PG: Vasquez playmaker
SG: M16: shooter
SF: Afflalo: shooter
PF:JT/Pat : jack of all trades/shooter
C: Cousins: playmaker

That line up to me looks far better than the one with Luc Richard (who will be excellent off the bench), end of the day it's very unlikely Lebron, Durrant and the other SF's will be stopped so it's better we make them work BOTH ways, AA can do that Luke Richard cannot. Sometimes offense can be a good defense in that you tire a player out, Afflalo and M16 are excellent moving off the ball (and both have very high energy levels, Afflalo year in year out gives all on both ends) and having other wing players chasing them all game will lower the opposition wings energy.

From 2008

Chad Ford ESPN#

It isnt just about head to head matchups. Players like Mbah A Moute bother everyone on the floor from the perimeter to the rim. It also helps to jave a fu sized SF on the floor when we see Patterson or Landry on the floor.

 

[KingMilz]

It isnt just about head to head matchups. Players like Mbah A Moute bother everyone on the floor from the perimeter to the rim. It also helps to jave a fu sized SF on the floor when we see Patterson or Landry on the floor.

So does Aaron Afflalo his feistiness, defensive IQ, quickness and being a elite defender gives problems to all concerned on top of that you have to defend him as well no matter who you are. If anything Afflalo all around would bother everyone on both ends.

 

[jalfa]

admittedly, I've seen little of Afflalo, over the last few years, but isn't the story on him that he was a really good defender that stopped defending once he got his big contract? also, how exactly would we go about acquiring him? it's unlikely that Orlando would give him up for just IT and we don't actually have much to sweeten the deal with.

 

[Hadlowe]

My impressions on Orlando, and they are rough impressions, is that they are busy tanking for next year's draft. Afflalo was their big get in the Dwight Howard trade, and my guess is that they want him there to pair with the superstar from next year's draft crop. You might be able to land one of their other swingment, but I'd be surprised to see Afflalo available.

Tobias Harris is fool's gold, having watched him play for the Vols and Milwaukee. He puts up good fantasy basketball numbers, but doesn't make his teammates better. Think a young Corey Maggete. Looks good when he's on a bad team. Mo Harkless I like better, but he's never going to be anything amazing.

 

[KingMilz]

If we don't really trade for anyone, Austin Daye would not be the worst back up SF to get , he's got length, shooting ability (is actually a reasonable "talent") and size and will most likely fit in better than both Outlaw and Salmons as the back up. I'm sure we could sign him for cheap as to. Hell he might even be able to start (Luke Richard is probably a better player), but the spacing AD would provide would not be the worst thing in the world and while he's not the defender Luke may be he can use his length ok.

Daye, 25, has mostly played sparingly in four seasons since being drafted No. 15 in 2009, and now he wants the opportunity to play significant minutes to contribute.

“I feel that if I’m able to get in a situation where I can play, I can be very productive and help the team win,” Daye said. “I just want the opportunity.”

 

[Hadlowe]

If we don't really trade for anyone, Austin Daye would not be the worst back up SF to get , he's got length, shooting ability (is actually a reasonable "talent") and size and will most likely fit in better than both Outlaw and Salmons as the back up. I'm sure we could sign him for cheap as to. Hell he might even be able to start (Luke Richard is probably a better player), but the spacing AD would provide would not be the worst thing in the world and while he's not the defender Luke may be he can use his length ok.

Daye would be better as a long shooting guard. He is still a scarecrow at small forward. The hefty 3's will just post him up all game long.

 

[Jkbiker]

Greg Joyce: Minnerath's agent is meeting with the #Kings tomorrow after the NBA Las Vegas Summer League wraps up. Other teams could pop in too. Twitter

Maybe a training camp invite?

 

[Prince_XY]

I would be happy just to bring back James Johnson for another year and see if a new coach can teach him to be just a starter role player in this team.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Greg Joyce: Minnerath's agent is meeting with the #Kings tomorrow after the NBA Las Vegas Summer League wraps up. Other teams could pop in too. Twitter

Maybe a training camp invite?

i was none to impressed with the skills he displayed in summer play but he did seem to hustle so he might be a project for the DL, I was more impressed with Akien, Gordon and Locket (I know the last thing we need is another guard) but if Minnerath can/will play hard nosed D give the kid an express pass.

 

[King Baller]

It would be great to get a Bruce Bowen type guy. I found his Wiki to be very interesting. Here is the link--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Bowen

Here is an excerpt:

Early struggles (1993–1997)[edit]
After finishing his four-year college eligibility, Bowen was eligible for the 1993 NBA Draft, but went undrafted. Instead, he seemed to be destined to become a journeyman athlete. Between 1993 and 1997, Bowen played for five different teams, starting his professional career for the French teams of Le Havre in 1993–94 and Évreux the following season. In 1995–96 he played in the CBA with Rockford Lightning; he spent the next season back in France with Besançon, before returning to the Lightning in February 1997. Bowen made his NBA debut when he was signed to a ten-day contract by the Miami Heat the following month. His output consisted of 1 game, 1 minute and 1 block.[3][4]

Finding a hard nosed defensive stopper who can hit the 3 at the SF position is what the Kings need.

Pete......think four moves ahead and find the next Bruce Bowen.

KB

 

[Kingsfan23]

I would be happy just to bring back James Johnson for another year and see if a new coach can teach him to be just a starter role player in this team.

Didn't really care for him on the floor but off of it he wore a Sonics hat in the Kings locker room. Rarely is one off-the-court action worthy of banishment from a franchise but many Kings fans wouldn't tolerate his presence again because of that (regardless if there was genuine malice intent or just stupidity of the highest order involved) .

 

[Spike]

No thanks on Johnson. His offensive skills are offensive, and I didn't see much on defense. The next SF in needs to be a starter-we have plenty of backups on the roster.

 

[ppine]

This discussion shows a lot of bball knowledge and understanding. I hope the FO feels the same way. It would be a different team with a mobile SF that can run the floor and play defense, while contributing on offense. Salmons has some very productive nights, but seems very sleepy and uninterested in the game a lot of the time. He is not getting any younger or probably any better. It would be great to a have a SF that plays like he does on a good night.

 

[Letsgokings13]

I would be happy just to bring back James Johnson for another year and see if a new coach can teach him to be just a starter role player in this team.

Yeah, lets bring back someone who basically gave the Org and Fans the middle finger by wearing a sonics hat after the sale leaked. Lets do that.

 

[KingMilz]

Jordan Hamilton Is still chilling away on the Nuggets bench....has decent talent would not be the worst pick up if we can't land a legit starter, the Carl Landry move even thought I was all for it does not make any sense unless we package something to get a SF (to split time with Luke Rich or start over Luke Rich). CJ Miles is maybe another one we could possibly try for in a trade but I don't think the Cavs need any more bigs.

Other middle tier guys we could "try" trade for who can shoot and play D
Wilson Chandler
Quincy Pondexter
Jeff Taylor

Would be hard to get any of them but possible

 

[Hadlowe]

Jordan Hamilton Is still chilling away on the Nuggets bench....has decent talent would not be the worst pick up if we can't land a legit starter, the Carl Landry move even thought I was all for it does not make any sense unless we package something to get a SF (to split time with Luke Rich or start over Luke Rich). CJ Miles is maybe another one we could possibly try for in a trade but I don't think the Cavs need any more bigs.

Other middle tier guys we could "try" trade for who can shoot and play D
Wilson Chandler
Quincy Pondexter
Jeff Taylor

Would be hard to get any of them but possible

Jeffrey Taylor is untouchable. He may end up displacing MKG in the starting lineup for the bobcats as a 3 and D small forward, as the latter can't seem to develop a shot and Kemba Walker is best on dribble penetration kickouts. CJ Miles is a placeholder small forward, you use him until you find a real player.

TBH, I am fine with letting Mbah a Moute hold down the fort, if he can stay healthy. The last half of the season, I expect to see Cousins/PPat/MaM/McLemore/Vasquez starting lineup. That gives you two and a half shooters (Vasquez counting as a half). Just play Mbah like you would a non-shooting power forward on offense. Have him set hard picks to free up a shooter off the ball and grab offensive boards.