The OAO Trade Ron Artest to the Knicks thread
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That's no reason to trade for him.
We should only be making moves that either make us better or put us in a better financial situation so that we can get better. We shouldn't be taking chances on players who have shown that they are not good enough to improve our team. That's pretty counter-productive, if you ask me.
For instance: The Kings are one of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA, consistently. Brad Miller is not a dominant rebounder. In tonight's game, Brad Miller had 16 rebounds, including 3 offensive. Eddy Curry had 3 rebounds.
Why would we want him on our team?
We should only be making moves that either make us better or put us in a better financial situation so that we can get better. We shouldn't be taking chances on players who have shown that they are not good enough to improve our team. That's pretty counter-productive, if you ask me.
For instance: The Kings are one of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA, consistently. Brad Miller is not a dominant rebounder. In tonight's game, Brad Miller had 16 rebounds, including 3 offensive. Eddy Curry had 3 rebounds.
Why would we want him on our team?
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Ron for NY's first rounder
I say do whatever the salaries allow to get their first rounder this year in a package for ron. I say take back Jerome Jame's contract and Balkman/lee/robinson + their pick for ron. I hope we could get the pick without crawfords of jefferies contract but since their pick will be so bad (potentially good enough to grab rose of deandre jordan) I think it is worth it.
It works in the trade machine
James (or Malik Rose) and (Lee/robinson/balkman) + #1Pick for Ron
I say do whatever the salaries allow to get their first rounder this year in a package for ron. I say take back Jerome Jame's contract and Balkman/lee/robinson + their pick for ron. I hope we could get the pick without crawfords of jefferies contract but since their pick will be so bad (potentially good enough to grab rose of deandre jordan) I think it is worth it.
It works in the trade machine
James (or Malik Rose) and (Lee/robinson/balkman) + #1Pick for Ron
Okay then:
Premise #1 -- Knicks do not want to give up Lee, furthermore as basically the only fan favorite if they did so the fans might burn down the building
Premise #2 -- we've got longterm contracts clogging up a rebuild for an unacceptably long time (3 more offseasons before you even have the offseason where maybe you turn the corner, let alone get good)
Premise #3 -- mentioned repeatedly, most recently in Amick's blog again, that we seem to have had an interest in Robinson, and the Knicks are willing to move Balkman but not Lee.
So:
Ron Artest $7.8mil (ender + player option)
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil (3yrs)
Shareef Abdur-Rahim $5.8mil (3yrs)
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$20.9mil
Stephon Marbury $20.1mil (2yrs) (waive)
Renaldo Balkman $1.2mil (2yrs + team option)
Nate Robinson $1.3mil (2yrs)
#1 2008 (Top 5 protected) --> or #1 2009
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$22.6mil
-- followed by the immediate waiver or buyout of Marbury -- do not want him on the team. For those complaining that then that money is wasted on a guy not playing, consider that $13mil of the contracts we are giving up don't play either, and will be clogging the roster with their worthless hides until next decade as it currently stands.
-- sets us up to clear the mega-caproom in the summer of '09, not 10 -- we shave $21miliong from our payroll that summer in Marbury's contract. Brad will be the last major contract that will need to be cleared beyond that date, either this year, over the summer, or at next year's deadline. The trade is essentially for Robinson, Balkman, and a pick. Hopefully high pick.
Questions: does Zeke have the clout at this point to make more salry adding pick-trading moves? Even if he does, does he have the cahones to do so -- if it fails it would have to lead to his firing. Right? The Knicks traded away their pick last summer...can they trade away this one midseason? There is a rule about not being able to trade away multiple future draft picks from consecutive years. But not sure if a past year (this last one) counts or not. Also, does NY's hesitation regarding Artest stem from fear of his nuttiness, or awareness that they already have one post player too many and adding another will only make it even worse?
Leaves our roster/contract situation:
PF/C - Moore Age: 32 (3yrs (half buyout for last year))
C- Miller Age: 31 (3yrs)
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PG - Bibby Age: 29 (1yr + 1yrplayer option)
OG/SF - Salmons Age: 28 (4yrs)
OG/SF - Jones Age: 27 (1yr)
OG/SF - Garcia Age: 26 (2yrs)
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PG - Udrih Age: 25 (1yr)
OG - Martin Age: 24 (6yrs)
PF/C - Williams Age: 23 (1yr)
OG/PG - Douby Age: 23 (2yrs + 1yr team option)
PG - Robinson Age: 23 (2yrs)
SF/PF - Balkman Age: 23 (2 yrs + 1yr team option)
C - Hawes Age: 19 (2yrs + 2yrs team option)
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#1 pick 2008 (Kings) -- lottery
#1 pick 2008 (Knicks) -- lottery
#1 pick 2009 (Kings) -- likely lottery
FA '09
Trade Bibby this year (for contracts that do not run beyond the end of next), Miller over the summer or next year + waive Moore at the end of next year and your only significant contracts for the summer of '09 would be Kevin and Salmons combined for about $16mil.
Premise #1 -- Knicks do not want to give up Lee, furthermore as basically the only fan favorite if they did so the fans might burn down the building
Premise #2 -- we've got longterm contracts clogging up a rebuild for an unacceptably long time (3 more offseasons before you even have the offseason where maybe you turn the corner, let alone get good)
Premise #3 -- mentioned repeatedly, most recently in Amick's blog again, that we seem to have had an interest in Robinson, and the Knicks are willing to move Balkman but not Lee.
So:
Ron Artest $7.8mil (ender + player option)
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil (3yrs)
Shareef Abdur-Rahim $5.8mil (3yrs)
---------------------------------
$20.9mil
Stephon Marbury $20.1mil (2yrs) (waive)
Renaldo Balkman $1.2mil (2yrs + team option)
Nate Robinson $1.3mil (2yrs)
#1 2008 (Top 5 protected) --> or #1 2009
------------------------------------------
$22.6mil
-- followed by the immediate waiver or buyout of Marbury -- do not want him on the team. For those complaining that then that money is wasted on a guy not playing, consider that $13mil of the contracts we are giving up don't play either, and will be clogging the roster with their worthless hides until next decade as it currently stands.
-- sets us up to clear the mega-caproom in the summer of '09, not 10 -- we shave $21miliong from our payroll that summer in Marbury's contract. Brad will be the last major contract that will need to be cleared beyond that date, either this year, over the summer, or at next year's deadline. The trade is essentially for Robinson, Balkman, and a pick. Hopefully high pick.
Questions: does Zeke have the clout at this point to make more salry adding pick-trading moves? Even if he does, does he have the cahones to do so -- if it fails it would have to lead to his firing. Right? The Knicks traded away their pick last summer...can they trade away this one midseason? There is a rule about not being able to trade away multiple future draft picks from consecutive years. But not sure if a past year (this last one) counts or not. Also, does NY's hesitation regarding Artest stem from fear of his nuttiness, or awareness that they already have one post player too many and adding another will only make it even worse?
Leaves our roster/contract situation:
PF/C - Moore Age: 32 (3yrs (half buyout for last year))
C- Miller Age: 31 (3yrs)
-----------------------
PG - Bibby Age: 29 (1yr + 1yrplayer option)
OG/SF - Salmons Age: 28 (4yrs)
OG/SF - Jones Age: 27 (1yr)
OG/SF - Garcia Age: 26 (2yrs)
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PG - Udrih Age: 25 (1yr)
OG - Martin Age: 24 (6yrs)
PF/C - Williams Age: 23 (1yr)
OG/PG - Douby Age: 23 (2yrs + 1yr team option)
PG - Robinson Age: 23 (2yrs)
SF/PF - Balkman Age: 23 (2 yrs + 1yr team option)
C - Hawes Age: 19 (2yrs + 2yrs team option)
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#1 pick 2008 (Kings) -- lottery
#1 pick 2008 (Knicks) -- lottery
#1 pick 2009 (Kings) -- likely lottery
FA '09
Trade Bibby this year (for contracts that do not run beyond the end of next), Miller over the summer or next year + waive Moore at the end of next year and your only significant contracts for the summer of '09 would be Kevin and Salmons combined for about $16mil.
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Is it jsut me or are knicks fans are just being stupid, they want artest, and hes like a top 10 player, but yet they dont want to trade us lee or the first round pick. This makes me very angry because some of the trades they come up with is beyond retarded, the issue is that we dont have to trade artest, esp. for their trash. Anything outside of david lee and their 1st, i wont no part of it.
Is it jsut me or are knicks fans are just being stupid, they want artest, and hes like a top 10 player, but yet they dont want to trade us lee or the first round pick. This makes me very angry because some of the trades they come up with is beyond retarded, the issue is that we dont have to trade artest, esp. for their trash. Anything outside of david lee and their 1st, i wont no part of it.
Since when are the fans of any team required to make only well reasoned and thought out trade wishes?
i like that trade brick to the knicks. although we don't score lee in that trade, we get a very little protection which would net us a very high draft pick with the way the knicks are playing.
that would definitely need us to waive marbury immediately and look for suiters for robinson in the offseason. that guy is a nutcase also with a small contract.
that would definitely need us to waive marbury immediately and look for suiters for robinson in the offseason. that guy is a nutcase also with a small contract.
