Artest to NY... Again?

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#31
You can't just give away talent. Giving away Miller and Artest and getting back only Lee would set this franchise back more than a few years. Expiring contracts are good only if you can sign a top player or 2 with the cap room. There is absolutely no guarantee that can happen.

I am not going to jump up and down either way ont hat deal, but here would be a comprehensive approximation of its effects:

David Lee
#3 pick '08
#5 pick '09
$33mil capspace '09 (assume maybe $20mil usable, so maybe 1 great player, 1 ok, or 2 good players)

for

Artest
Miller
#10 pick '08
#10 pick '09
 
#32
Webber was 25 when he showed up in Sacto (Ron is 28), and no Webb's problems (mostly those of immaturity) were nothing at all like those of Ron Artest, who is just...strange. Strange does not denote evil, and I have stressed that distinction ever since Ron arrived. But it does mean strange. We have all known, or in some cases been, an immature college age person who likes to party too much, smokes pot, stays out too late, and clashes with authority. Those of us who have lived past that age have also seen (or been) that person who then grows up into true adulthood. Very few of us have known (or hopefully been) a queer duck like Ron. There is a screw loose up there, and you don't grow out of that. Get a kick of the revisionist history around here, with Ron "maturing" through a year last year when he fought with his coach, screamed at his teammates, was arrested twice, suspended for much of a month while the domestic violence charge was being worked over, emailed everyone that he was going to retire, then rescinded, and has alreayd missed 7 of our 10 games this season via a suspension. Quite the cornerstone.

I've mentioned before that any structure you try to build for the futrue depending on Ron as a major cog will be prone at any time, any day, any month, of suddenly and explosively coming to an end. Boom. So much for all your work. And the probelm grows acute very very soon now, as not only can Ron ditch us for no compensation, but in order to keep him (even if we could) we would have to dump a big long term guaranteed contract on him, whihc could make hima complete crippler for the franchise for years if he goes sour on you, but not so sour as to get kicked out of the league. Once he's got a long term deal, he is one incident from completely unmoveable.

You make a deal like the New York to protect the franchise. We are years and years from a point where Ron Artest could possibly be the tipping player for us to do anything significant. You are not only asking Ron to hold it together and be clean for 6 months, like a potential contender might as a trading partner, you are asking him to hold it together for years until he is into his 30s and perhaps getting ready to slow down anyway. Its a silly risk to take in our position. If we are talking title THIS year? Sure. Cross your fingers. You are talking try to put together another contender 4 or 5 years from now? No.
Brick, you are making far too much sense.

Do not, under any circumstances, let Isiah see this post.
 

dude12

Hall of Famer
#33
I am not going to jump up and down either way ont hat deal, but here would be a comprehensive approximation of its effects:

David Lee
#3 pick '08
#5 pick '09
$33mil capspace '09 (assume maybe $20mil usable, so maybe 1 great player, 1 ok, or 2 good players)

for

Artest
Miller
#10 pick '08
#10 pick '09
Where did the draft picks come from?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#34
Where did the draft picks come from?
They were just samples of the types of picks we mgiht get with this deal vs. without. Basically I stripped away all the nonessential peices in this which did not matter for the future (the Kennys, Jerome Jameses etc.) and focused on what you would likely have one way, vs. the other. Thus if you make the deal you are looking for Lee, major caproom to sign 1 or 2 significant free agents after next season, and better picks in both years, vs. having Ron, Brad, and worse picks both years.
 
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dude12

Hall of Famer
#35
Still that deal is giving away 2 players who are more valuable than what we are getting back in return. By the trade deadline, we may be able to parlay Artest and possibly Miller into Lee, other teams picks, an expiring contract or 2 and we would secure our place in the lottery.

My gut feeling is that a NY deal is going to get made at some point. Either Isaih Thomas will be there or not....if he's not then the new GM / coach may look to make a splash and acquire Artest. His value is only going to go up. I don't buy the "Artest is a crazy guy, let's get rid of him before he loses it" angle at all.

Meanwhile, Miller is off to a good start and if it continues, then his trade value goes up also.

The trade scenario of getting Lee and the expirings could be had for Artest only. Artest is an obvious fit for NY, position-wise.