The OAO Trade Ron Artest to the Knicks thread
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
I doubt anything Petrie wants to do is common knowledge. I'd love to see a quote of Petrie's that says that.
NewArena
All-Star
True but if I had to guess i would say kenny would be the one gone.
thedofd
Bench
In the words of the Bard, "We can do naught but hope."
beb0p
Starter
What GP wants to do IS common knowledge. HOW he gets there is the part only he knows. It is common knowledge he wants to sent away KT. How he pull it off is the part only he knows.
You won't find a quote by GP saying he wants to get rid of anyone. But if you can't figure out he wants to part way with KT then I guess there's nothing more that I can say.
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beb0p
Starter
No one is assuming KT WILL go with Ron. But many people are saying the asking price for Ron Artest includes KT. That shouldn't be news to Kings fans.
beb0p
Starter
I think we all understand this didn't come from the horse's mouth. But I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I'd be very surprised (and disappointed) if Petrie didn't at least try to pawn KT off along with Artest or Bibby. And the fact that other people confirmed that's what GP tried to do is actually reassuring to me that GP is on the same page as many of us fans to get rid of Kenny. That's all.
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I'm sure the Kings would love to get rid of KT in a deal.....probably the biggest reason that he's getting the little playing time that he is getting right now....to showcase him 
. If he's still with us after the trade deadline, I'm betting that we will see those minutes go to J Williams or Hawes.
. If he's still with us after the trade deadline, I'm betting that we will see those minutes go to J Williams or Hawes.I think it was clear when Kenny was brought here that Geoff wanted to eventually get rid of him. I think he should have done that the next offseason, as a matter of fact. However, it's a lot easier said then done. It is going to take a lot to get someone to eat his contract, and I don't think Artest is the right player to be tacking a bad contract to. I think, with Brad Miller playing better this season, that the best shot is to either package Kenny with Brad, or package him with Bibby's expiring contract.
Any Ron Artest trade has too many "intangibles" to try to include bad contracts along with it, if you ask me.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Most trades Petrie makes come straight out of the blue unless you are thinking of another Petrie. Petrie is unpredictable and keeps his thoughts to himself.
The wishes of everybody on this board do not translate into an action Petrie is planning. I think you are getting carried away with the power you think the fans on this board have over the management of the Kings. Trading KT would be a miracle.
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Jespher
Starter
Would you trade Ron Artest for Eddy Curry?
Given the Knick woes, the lack of interior play for the kings, and the wing depth with the inspired play of John Salmons, would a swap of Artest for Eddy Curry make sense from a Kings perspective?
Kings Out:
Ron Artet 19.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.3 apg in 40.4 minutes
Kings In:
Eddy Curry 13.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 27.2 minutes
Knicks Out:
Eddy Curry 13.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 27.2 minutes
Knicks In:
Ron Artest 19.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.3 apg in 40.4 minutes
(Trade works in realgm tradechecker)
Why Sacramento does it: This trade boosts our horrible post scoring, adds a shot blocking, offensive beast in the post where we are so desperately lacking. Curry could play C, and move Moore, or Miller to play PF next to him. Curry would demand double teams in the post, opening up space for the many prolific wing shooters (Beno, Cisco, Martin, Bibby, Douby). Small forward if the deepest position on the kings with Artest, Salmons, and Garcia all splitting minutes, and this trade would spread the wealth a bit, further developing the young players.
Why Sacramento Doesn't do it: Artest's injury might hamper this trade for the time being. He is expected to miss two weeks due to his elbow injury. The Kings would be losing a lot by trading Artest. His personality, tenacious defense, media celebrity, and floor leadership. Artest has been the primary reason the Kings have remained competitive this year, as whenever he steps on the court he is a beast on both offensive and defensive sides.
Why Knicks do it: The addition of Artest could save Isaiah's job, as his defense and tenacity are well documented. This would open more playing time for David Lee, who is an outstanding young talent. Eddy curry was recently demoted out of the starting lineup anyway, so it would be like trading a bench player for a starter. Artest and Zach Randolph would be a good low post tandem, and wouldn't get in each other's way like Randolph and Curry would.
Why Knicks don't do it: The addition of Artest could also finally push Isaiah out the door. Artest has played great in Sacramento, but you never know how far he is from crazy. This would also subtract a terrific post scorer for a wing player, and we all know what trading big for small can do to a francise...
Kings New Lineup:
PG: Mike Bibby/Beno Udrich/Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin/Quincy Douby/Dante Jones
SF: John Salmons/Francisco Garcia
PF: Brad Miller/Mikki Moore/Justin Williams/Kenny F
C: Eddy Curry/Brad Miller/Spencer Hawes/Mikki Moore
Given the Knick woes, the lack of interior play for the kings, and the wing depth with the inspired play of John Salmons, would a swap of Artest for Eddy Curry make sense from a Kings perspective?
Kings Out:
Ron Artet 19.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.3 apg in 40.4 minutes
Kings In:
Eddy Curry 13.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 27.2 minutes
Knicks Out:
Eddy Curry 13.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 27.2 minutes
Knicks In:
Ron Artest 19.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.3 apg in 40.4 minutes
(Trade works in realgm tradechecker)
Why Sacramento does it: This trade boosts our horrible post scoring, adds a shot blocking, offensive beast in the post where we are so desperately lacking. Curry could play C, and move Moore, or Miller to play PF next to him. Curry would demand double teams in the post, opening up space for the many prolific wing shooters (Beno, Cisco, Martin, Bibby, Douby). Small forward if the deepest position on the kings with Artest, Salmons, and Garcia all splitting minutes, and this trade would spread the wealth a bit, further developing the young players.
Why Sacramento Doesn't do it: Artest's injury might hamper this trade for the time being. He is expected to miss two weeks due to his elbow injury. The Kings would be losing a lot by trading Artest. His personality, tenacious defense, media celebrity, and floor leadership. Artest has been the primary reason the Kings have remained competitive this year, as whenever he steps on the court he is a beast on both offensive and defensive sides.
Why Knicks do it: The addition of Artest could save Isaiah's job, as his defense and tenacity are well documented. This would open more playing time for David Lee, who is an outstanding young talent. Eddy curry was recently demoted out of the starting lineup anyway, so it would be like trading a bench player for a starter. Artest and Zach Randolph would be a good low post tandem, and wouldn't get in each other's way like Randolph and Curry would.
Why Knicks don't do it: The addition of Artest could also finally push Isaiah out the door. Artest has played great in Sacramento, but you never know how far he is from crazy. This would also subtract a terrific post scorer for a wing player, and we all know what trading big for small can do to a francise...
Kings New Lineup:
PG: Mike Bibby/Beno Udrich/Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin/Quincy Douby/Dante Jones
SF: John Salmons/Francisco Garcia
PF: Brad Miller/Mikki Moore/Justin Williams/Kenny F
C: Eddy Curry/Brad Miller/Spencer Hawes/Mikki Moore
Gary
All-Star
I like how you explained it, but hell no I wouldn't do it. I am not sure why Curry isn't able to grasp the concept of rebounding. He has the size to box out, and isn't totally unathletic. Curry is just the type of guy that this team doesn't need.
Plus, isn't he signed throgh 2010-2011? We already have an up and coming center sho can't rebound in Hawes. I wouldn't want two
I truely believe that Curry is the worst rebounding player in the league for players over 6'6.
Plus, isn't he signed throgh 2010-2011? We already have an up and coming center sho can't rebound in Hawes. I wouldn't want two
I truely believe that Curry is the worst rebounding player in the league for players over 6'6.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No.
Reason being that I think Curry is really pretty much of a loser. Even when playing well he only does the one thing (score in the post), is miserably one dimensional, is not a dedicated athelte, and is mentally fragile. Nor does he really have good bball I.Q./passing skills to use his postup ability to make guys better. So I don't think any team will ever win anything significant with him as a center. Would I do it as a way of salvaging some value from Ron, and having a future trade piece? Perhaps. Depends on what I felt the market for an Eddie Curry might be.
Reason being that I think Curry is really pretty much of a loser. Even when playing well he only does the one thing (score in the post), is miserably one dimensional, is not a dedicated athelte, and is mentally fragile. Nor does he really have good bball I.Q./passing skills to use his postup ability to make guys better. So I don't think any team will ever win anything significant with him as a center. Would I do it as a way of salvaging some value from Ron, and having a future trade piece? Perhaps. Depends on what I felt the market for an Eddie Curry might be.
Packt
Starter
Ron to NY, I don't see it happening. Isiah has already coached Ron, he knows just as well as any, how great Ron can be. He also knows how volatile Ron can be. Fingers were even pointed at him and his bad boys roots as the cause for Ron's pyscho play. Not being able to control him was more than likely one of the main reasons he got fired.
Ron is a beast, but not someone Isiah wants to tangle with.
Ron is a beast, but not someone Isiah wants to tangle with.
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Hell yes he is; surely anyone here that does the fantasy hoops thing has heard of the Curry Line...
nbrans
All-Star
I at least stopped to think about this one because 1) good offensive post players are incredibly rare in the NBA and are always valuable, 2) Curry's only 25, 3) he's underutilized in NYC.
But utlimately, I agree with Bricklayer -- not a winner, terrible rebounder and shotblocker (compounding our problems), questionable head and questionable health. Nopers.
But utlimately, I agree with Bricklayer -- not a winner, terrible rebounder and shotblocker (compounding our problems), questionable head and questionable health. Nopers.
Come now, I wouldn't go that far....
Kenny is much worse than "terrible".
I kid, I kid, but I'd rather have Curry and KT.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
The Curry Line: A player must average more turnovers than assists, blocks, and steals combined.
Eddy currently lies at 2.1 to 1.3
Agreed, 100%.
True that.Glenn said:
Remember how out of the blue the Hedo/Pollard for Brad Miller trade was? Remember how, though there were rumors, none of them involved Webber going to Philadelphia, and we were all caught off guard when it happened? Remember Jumaine Jones for Mateen Cleaves (though that one got vetoed; I think the jubilation with which we responded on this board may have jinxed that one)?
We NEVER know what Petrie is working on. Scary thing is that we never know when he's not working on something. I hope to see something happen that makes me feel good about the direction this team is headed in, and soon.
Curry is a worse shot blocker and rebounder than Brad Miller. I'd rather let Artest walk.
Miller's done much better in those areas this year, so I don't mean it as insult to Brad. But we've all complained about Brad's rebounding and shotblocking at one time or another, and adding Curry would just make those areas worse.
Miller's done much better in those areas this year, so I don't mean it as insult to Brad. But we've all complained about Brad's rebounding and shotblocking at one time or another, and adding Curry would just make those areas worse.
Jespher
Starter
Well so far, I would say board sentiment is unanimous...
I would consider this trade as a rebuilding move, however, it seems most here feel that Ron is a superior player, and this would be further talent bleeding.
(As an aside...do you think that Curry's rebounding numbers would improve if he was teamed with Brad or Mikki and not a David Lee or Tyson Chandler like rebound machine? Also, his points and rebounds per 48 are better than Ron's, so wouldn't his #s improve if he was given more time in our anemic front court? Furthermore, I feel that Theus is a superior coach to Thomas, so wouldn't that help his production as well?)
I would consider this trade as a rebuilding move, however, it seems most here feel that Ron is a superior player, and this would be further talent bleeding.
(As an aside...do you think that Curry's rebounding numbers would improve if he was teamed with Brad or Mikki and not a David Lee or Tyson Chandler like rebound machine? Also, his points and rebounds per 48 are better than Ron's, so wouldn't his #s improve if he was given more time in our anemic front court? Furthermore, I feel that Theus is a superior coach to Thomas, so wouldn't that help his production as well?)
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beb0p
Starter
No way, not even if NY takes KT off our hands for Malik Rose.
Not even if Curry opts out in 2009 and gives us even more cap space.
If you ever read the Chicago's sports columns and unidentified quotes from the Bulls' coaching staff, Curry's problem is all in his head. He is lazy and he just doesn't want it enough. He'll score some and then turns it over, disappears in the clutch, gives up 30pts to whoever he's guarding, and let PG outrebound him.
Not even if Curry opts out in 2009 and gives us even more cap space.
If you ever read the Chicago's sports columns and unidentified quotes from the Bulls' coaching staff, Curry's problem is all in his head. He is lazy and he just doesn't want it enough. He'll score some and then turns it over, disappears in the clutch, gives up 30pts to whoever he's guarding, and let PG outrebound him.
