The KingsFans Mock Draft discussion thread

[VF21]

That's what I had in mind, except for Orlando ... who doesn't have a pick this year at all. Since this is a mock draft primarily and not a virtual GM summer fantasy league, it seemed more fair not to include Orlando right from the beginning.

 

[Jespher]

I don't think that participation will be a problem here. If you're doing a full 2 round mock draft with trades, I suggest that you make it much less than 24 hours/pick (probably like a 6-8 hour clock/pick). This will allow you to finish the mock draft before the actual NBA draft.

Also wondering about a couple other things. Say we set up a trade (via PMs with the other participating GMs), are we going for team's needs for next seasons, or can they be salary dumps/bought picks (which will probably be the case)? Are we shooting for accuracy (as close to how the draft will actually happen as possible) or our own best fantasy draft for each team? If we wanted to exchange picks would we need to match salaries with other players involved? I was assuming that any trades made must work under the salary cap rules, right?

 

[VF21]

I don't think you want to get too bogged down in trades as it would quickly become more of a fantasy scenario than a mock draft.

This could very easily get very, very involved and convoluted and not at all tied in to the upcoming draft. My suggestion would be/is that THIS draft run as a mock draft, which is what GeraldWallace#3 originally proposed. If someone wants, they could always start a "fantasy summer GM" thread where you either pick or are randomly assigned a team. You will run it just like a GM for whatever period of time you select...

It could be extended to include the actual season next year, with you using the actual stats for each player - just like existing fantasy leagues - to have head-to-head matches against the other GMs.

Just an idea, of course...

I do have the randomized assignment of teams if people want them now... Or you can wait until the final three slots are filled.

 

[Jespher]

Are we shooting for accuracy (as close to how the draft will actually happen as possible) or our own best fantasy draft for each team?

 

[VF21]

I edited my post above while you were typing your bolded question. Usually mock drafts run fairly parallel to what teams will most likely do in reality. Trades are infrequent but do occasionally occur...

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

With only 14 days till the draft, Im thinking trades should be minimal .. Personally, I think we should see how accurate we can be ( compared to the real thing ) .. meaning make trades you think can really happen, not just fantasy / salary dump / kobe for lebron type trades.

did that make sense? I mean, it is a mock draft at heart, meaning were trying to mock what the GM's will actually do .. however, maybe next TDOS we can have a mock offseason ( FA's / draft / trades all into one .. would be interested ) ..

 

[VF21]

I know that's what GeraldWallace#3 had in mind, MKF. I think people should strive to make their team select as close as possible to what might actually happen on draft day.

 

[Jespher]

I still have some questions VF21. If we are shooting for accuracy with each pick individually, then several people would/could draft the same player if they think he will fall to that slot, instead of the one he was originally selected for (i.e. Hasheem Thabeet at pick #2, #3, and #4). If we are going for accuracy collectively, then once a player was taken, he would be ineligible to be picked again later.

If we are trying to do the best for each team (either long or short term) then it would be hard to judge who got the good/bad picks, but it could make it more fun. Obviously here each player could only get picked once, and several GMs might sell picks to remain under the luxury tax, etc...

 

[SacKings7]

I don't feel that you did VF21. If we are shooting for accuracy with each pick individually, then several people would/could draft the same player if they think he will fall to that slot, instead of the one he was originally selected for. If we are going for accuracy collectively, then once a player was taken, he would be ineligible to be picked again later.

If we are trying to do the best for each team (either long or short term) then it would be hard to judge who got the good/bad picks, but it could make it more fun. Obviously here each player could only get picked once, and several GMs might sell picks to remain under the luxury tax, etc...

We're all pretending to be GMs here. When a player is chosen, he's off the board. If you wanted a particular player but didn't get him, you look at your options and trade down if you think it's likely, or pick another player.

 

[VF21]

Im guessing you've never participated in MOCK DRAFTS before, jespher, as what you're describing isn't a mock draft as much as a fantasy draft which I've tried to point out above.

In a mock draft, you either pick or are assigned teams. Then you conduct a draft in the order in which the actual draft will be conducted. Thus whomever gets the LA Clippers will have the first pick. They will most likely pick Blake Griffins, which isn't rocket science.

The person who gets the Memphis Grizzlies will go second. Will they pick Rubio? Will they pick Thabeet? It's up to them to decide, along with a brief explanation. Some of the best mock drafts I've seen actually have dialog, etc. I represented the Toronto Raptors a few years ago - for example - and the mascot rushed the stage and carried David Stern off in his jaws.

This will be conducted just like the regular draft. Once a player is gone, he's gone.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I still have some questions VF21. If we are shooting for accuracy with each pick individually, then several people would/could draft the same player if they think he will fall to that slot, instead of the one he was originally selected for (i.e. Hasheem Thabeet at pick #2, #3, and #4). If we are going for accuracy collectively, then once a player was taken, he would be ineligible to be picked again later.

If we are trying to do the best for each team (either long or short term) then it would be hard to judge who got the good/bad picks, but it could make it more fun. Obviously here each player could only get picked once, and several GMs might sell picks to remain under the luxury tax, etc...

I think your confused .. or Im confused.

No one is judging anything, its just a mock draft to be compared to what will really happen, based on each teams fake GM's opinion.

Once a player is drafted, another team cant draft him .. just like in real life. When its my pick ( whatever team I get ) im going to look at who is left on the board, and what my team needs are along with which players I like for that need.

 

[Jespher]

Cool. So we're trying to get the best player that fits with each team then...

We still need 3 more drafters to do a 2 round mock draft .

 

[GeraldWallace#3]

Since you're going to allow trades, etc. I've already got the randomized sequence of numbers ready. Even people who don't have a pick until the second round just might be able to get involved in trading up once they know which teams they've drawn. How long do you want to wait before you find out what they are? I could give the names of the teams for all those already signed up and let the remaining people take a chance on whichever ones are left...

Sorry, GW3. Looks like I'm stepping all over your toes on this. Feel free to slap me silly if you wish...

fell free VF do whatever seems necissary. Give them the teams as soon as everyone signs up if after tommorow this is all we have people give some people two teams and yeah put all thirty teams in.

 

[VF21]

Jespher - There are 30 teams in the NBA. Since Orlando isn't picking in this year's draft, that means we'll need 29 participants. Each participant will have a team randomly assigned to them. (In fact, I've already got the randomized results. I'm just waiting for people to decide whether they want to know their teams now or wait until all 29 slots are filled.) I have seen mocks where participants trade their teams before the mock draft starts. In others, you just take what the randomizer gives you.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

i'd be fine taking on two teams, I cant get enough of the NBA draft at this point.

 

[VF21]

fell free VF do whatever seems necissary. Give them the teams as soon as everyone signs up if after tommorow this is all we have people give some people two teams and yeah put all thirty teams in.

You got it.

 

[VF21]

i'd be fine taking on two teams, I cant get enough of the NBA draft at this point.

Since I've now taken over (bwahahahahaha) to get this organized, I have no problem with that. If someone else shows up, we could give them back one of the teams...

Is there anyone else who would snag two teams? If we fill all 29 slots, I can reveal the teams.

 

[Jespher]

As I now understand the idea, I'd be glad to GM 2 teams as well

 

[VF21]

Okay, that leaves one slot...

 

[GeraldWallace#3]

Hmm Hmm Ill take two

Edit: People with two teams are not allowed to trade with themselves

 

[VF21]

Okay...that's it. And there shouldn't be much trading going on unless you can convince me - the final arbiter - that it's something the team would do in real life. I figure that's fair since I'm death on almost all trade ideas anyway.

 

[VF21]

I'm going to start a new thread with the team/GM matchups... in proper draft sequence. It'll take a few minutes so bear with me.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm going to start a new thread with the team/GM matchups... in proper draft sequence. It'll take a few minutes so bear with me.

You could just copy GWallace's first post, and then put the order in the second post ratehr than start a whole new thread.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Ah man, I missed it.

 

[Jespher]

Ah man, I missed it.

You can have my 2nd team if you want

 

[Vlade4GM]

I'll take whatever I can get

 

[Bricklayer]

I'll take whatever I can get

No, go ahead and take mine if you want -- I mentioned before I'm really not a draft freak, so if you want in, you can have #7, which is...who is #7 anyway? Wash is #5. Minny is #6. #7 is...Golden State maybe?

 

[est.1999]

what happens when let's say in real life a team without a first round pick trades into the first round pick? Making you needing more than 24 people. I know it's all in fun and games but to try and see how close you get to the real draft is kinda hard cause we all know there probably will be many trades

 

[Vlade4GM]

No, go ahead and take mine if you want -- I mentioned before I'm really not a draft freak, so if you want in, you can have #7, which is...who is #7 anyway? Wash is #5. Minny is #6. #7 is...Golden State maybe?

Okay, I accept. Thanks.

 

[Jespher]

I don't think that is the draft order, just the list of people interested in the Mock Draft. VF21 is solidifying the draft order in a separate thread.