Terrence Williams signed for remainder of season

Great sign. I'm very impressed by how unselfish he is for such an athletic player whose bound to try to prove his worth.
 
Good move, obviously.

Only concern is that he IS better at the 2 then 3... so he joins the Salmons/Cisco/Evans/Thornton too small for small forward crew.

Next season should be interesting.
 
Good signing and obvious that it was going to happen. He HAS played PG in the past. Too bad we don't have a coach that would think along those lines.
 
Good signing and obvious that it was going to happen. He HAS played PG in the past. Too bad we don't have a coach that would think along those lines.

Don't even think about it. We already have a 6-6 PG on our team that Smart sticks at SF. Having a big PG is against small ball philosophy.
 
My only reservation with Williams was his attitude. There's no denyinig the talent. To answer a previous question, I believe him to be a SG, and if played at that position, he would excell. Yes, he has the strength and similar size as Salmons to play the SF position at times, but I don't see him as a regualr there. But then I'm a believer in playing a player where he can best succeed. He played some Point in college, and judging him on that basis, I thought he had limited ability. But as a SG, with the skills he has, he could be a force.

I was against bringing him on board, but, so far, at least on the court, he's been terrific, and at times, has looked like the best all around player on the court not named Cousins. However, I think we should note that, he's playing for his future in the league, and once signed to a new contract, might return to his old unwinning ways. But, if the price is right, and I won't go into what I think is right, then he's certainly worth the gamble.

I was the one that lobbied for and defended DeMarcus Cousins. I did so based on his youth, background, and the fact that I thought he was the victim of an overly zealous press. So, not wanting to appear as a hypocrite, I'd be remiss not to allow Williams the same chance. Now that I've gotten the BS out of the way, I think Williams could end up being one of the top 2 or 3 most talented players on the team if he can keep his head on straight. And at the right price, could be a steal.

Note: If you can bring in a very talented player, a player that may be the second most talented player on the team, you should look at it as having improved the talent level of the team, and not how its going to affect less talented players that are already on the team. Winning is about competition, and let the best man win. Competition between teammates at a high level, will only bring out the best in everyone, and is the best possible way to gleen out inferior talent.

Example: Who would you rather have Cousins practicing against everyday. Hasson Whiteside, or Chris Kaman? Who would make him work the hardest? Who would help him refine his skills faster?
 
I've always liked TWill as a basketball talent from his 4yr career as a big-time "point forward" star under Coach Patino at Louisville. Somehow, he got off to a bad NBA start in New Jersey after being 11th overall draft pick. They shipped him to the D-League after "repeated team rules violations." I think most of that was missing or late to practices. Hopefully, his immature, knucklehead days are now in the past. I would definitely look at signing him to a deal next season if Tyreke Evans is traded. Otherwise, it's back to too many similar players at same position - offguard, swingman types. Maybe if Garcia is gone it would also make TWill more in demand for the Kings.
 
Example: Who would you rather have Cousins practicing against everyday. Chuck Hayes, or Sam Dalembert? Who would make him work the hardest? Who would help him refine his skills faster?

Fixed it for you ;)

Edit to add: I'm only half serious here. I think part of the justification for the Hayes-Dalembert unofficial swap would be Dalembert's allegedly questionable attitude and Hayes' history of leadership, which ideally would better help with Cousins as he matures. The fact that Daly has given Cousins fits this year when they've faced each other head to head, though, makes me wonder what could have been if that was happening every day in practice. Then again, Cousins has been progressing well enough as is...
 
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i say start IT at pg,reke sg, twill sf, jt pf, dmc center. I think thats the best lineup. Marcus thornton is best coming off the bench b/c of his scorers mentality. I dont get why smart continues to start him with reke at SF. I think its a joke. MT is not a willing passer and is undersized. We have seen MT have flashes of his passing but until he decides to do it consistently then he should be a 6th man.
 
i say start IT at pg,reke sg, twill sf, jt pf, dmc center. I think thats the best lineup. Marcus thornton is best coming off the bench b/c of his scorers mentality. I dont get why smart continues to start him with reke at SF. I think its a joke. MT is not a willing passer and is undersized. We have seen MT have flashes of his passing but until he decides to do it consistently then he should be a 6th man.

I don't understand why people are saying MT is best suited off the bench. For all we know he could go full john salmons on us. Also he tends to use the first half as a warm up and turn it on in the second half....if his minutes are cut he might never get it going to the point where he is at his best. If he is willing to go to the bench and give that a shot, I have no qualms with trying it out. But if he is against it I would be too because his play since joining us has earned him his start. If we want to try reke at sg, he can be the one off the bench....and in our short history of doing that it has been very successful so far.
 
Love it!! Like someone above said, hopefully his play right now is not just to secure his future.. and if we do give him a contract next year he keeps up this intensity. He kind of reminds me of Doug Christie a bit.. Great defender, Great vision/playmaking, Good quickness, Solid Size, Atheletic, Intangibles.. Cant comment on his ball handling because I havent seen enugh of it, but Im guessing if he played PG at Louisville is pretty decent.

I think Petrie may have found a steal, in the exact mold of player this team needs to move forward.
 
Love it!! Like someone above said, hopefully his play right now is not just to secure his future.. and if we do give him a contract next year he keeps up this intensity. He kind of reminds me of Doug Christie a bit.. Great defender, Great vision/playmaking, Good quickness, Solid Size, Atheletic, Intangibles.. Cant comment on his ball handling because I havent seen enugh of it, but Im guessing if he played PG at Louisville is pretty decent.

I think Petrie may have found a steal, in the exact mold of player this team needs to move forward.

He really is a good fit. I just hope history doesnt repeat itself... You would think if he was so good he wouldn't have been cut from the rockets.
 
Fixed it for you ;)

Edit to add: I'm only half serious here. I think part of the justification for the Hayes-Dalembert unofficial swap would be Dalembert's allegedly questionable attitude and Hayes' history of leadership, which ideally would better help with Cousins as he matures. The fact that Daly has given Cousins fits this year when they've faced each other head to head, though, makes me wonder what could have been if that was happening every day in practice. Then again, Cousins has been progressing well enough as is...

I wouldn't count having Cuz drop 38 points on you s giving someone fits.
 
He really is a good fit. I just hope history doesnt repeat itself... You would think if he was so good he wouldn't have been cut from the rockets.

Houston has a group of talented players at his positions. Martin,Lee- SG, Parsons,Budinger-SF.. Lowry and Dragic- PG.

Im thinking it was a mix of attitude issues and possibly just being the odd man out in the lineup.
 
one thing i have noticed is that he has baseball mits for hands. he just palms the ball like its a baseball. Similar to cousins, but cousins just seem to have his own gravitational pull, just seems like he vacuums the ball and anyone in his way.
 
Smart is a players coach so I figured any baggage Williams came with should be cut in half immediately and then the rest of the baggage should be trashed by the end of the year. Smart has that effect on players and that's why GS players were pissed when he didn't get a contact.
 
I have followed

The last line of Williams's pregame monologue is a request for all his dead relatives -- his father, Edgar; his grandparents Mary Jackson and Bobby Perkins; and two cousins -- to "watch over me as I have fun." Their names are tattooed on his left arm and concealed by a compression sleeve that he says he wears to keep connected to them, spiritually. Williams may well be the only player to wear a sleeve solely for that reason, but he has always been sartorially idiosyncratic. He often wears custom-made photo T-shirts as tributes to teammates and coaches (his Pitino shirt has a shot of his coach playing point guard at UMass in the early '70s), and he sometimes shows up for practice wearing two different-colored shoes. At Seattle's Rainier Beach High he would wear socks emblazoned with childhood icons (from Barney to Big Bird to SpongeBob) during games and carry his books in a Barbie backpack, just to be different. He wore a rotation of Mitchell & Ness throwback basketball jerseys that were in vogue then, but he would add his own curious touch by printing a picture of the player from the Internet and Scotch-taping it over the number on the front.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...10/terrence-williams/index.html#ixzz1qmD4wgDP
 
I have followed Williams' career quite closely. The kid has a lot of talent. I have already said he could be an All-Star if he develops a jumper and stops acting like a child, I still think that.

I think it's important to differienate between a "head case" - someone who doesn't listen to coaches, is selfish, has a big head, maybe even has an arrest or two, or will have an arrest or two; from someone who merely matches to a different drum beat and maybe is a bit immature. I think Williams is the later. He is not so much a bad guy as he is a strange guy. He is definitely an eccentric and that could have unintentionally rubbed some body the wrong way.

The last line of Williams's pregame monologue is a request for all his dead relatives -- his father, Edgar; his grandparents Mary Jackson and Bobby Perkins; and two cousins -- to "watch over me as I have fun." Their names are tattooed on his left arm and concealed by a compression sleeve that he says he wears to keep connected to them, spiritually. Williams may well be the only player to wear a sleeve solely for that reason, but he has always been sartorially idiosyncratic. He often wears custom-made photo T-shirts as tributes to teammates and coaches (his Pitino shirt has a shot of his coach playing point guard at UMass in the early '70s), and he sometimes shows up for practice wearing two different-colored shoes. At Seattle's Rainier Beach High he would wear socks emblazoned with childhood icons (from Barney to Big Bird to SpongeBob) during games and carry his books in a Barbie backpack, just to be different. He wore a rotation of Mitchell & Ness throwback basketball jerseys that were in vogue then, but he would add his own curious touch by printing a picture of the player from the Internet and Scotch-taping it over the number on the front.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...10/terrence-williams/index.html#ixzz1qmD4wgDP


As for his supposed rap sheet, it's actually not that long nor serious. When he was in NJ he tweeted that he didn't want to be in NJ; probably not the wisest thing to do. Then he blew up towards the end of his rookie season and all was forgotten. He irritated coaches by supposedly shooting too much during the Summer League. Six games into his soph season, he was suddenly in the doghouse. Then he got send down to the D-League for chronic tardiness, and was never called on again, even after he went back to the team after tearing up the D-League. The Nets wanted to win now (they traded Favors for Deron) and they decided Williams was expandable.

At Houston, T-Will was caught in a numbers game - Rockets already had too many wings. This season, they tried to loosen up the wing spots by trading KMart (and also getting Pau) but when that didn't go down; and also when McHale decided to go with Lee, Candler Parson and Budinger at the wing after KMart went down, T-Will became expandable.

I may have forgotten something but that's essentially what I remembered.
 
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I think it's important to differienate between a "head case" - someone who doesn't listen to coaches, is selfish, has a big head, maybe even has an arrest or two, or will have an arrest or two; from someone who merely matches to a different drum beat and maybe is a bit immature. I think Williams is the later. He is not so much a bad guy as he is a strange guy. He is definitely an eccentric and that could have unintentionally rubbed some body the wrong way.
I like idiosyncratic and I hope you are right about him. If so, Smart will need to find a way with him in a similar way to how he found a way with Cuz.
 
He's the best athlete on the team, so yeah, I'm happy he got the contract. He explodes to get rebounds and he's the best defensive player we've got. As long as he keeps his head on right, it's a good signing. Supposedly, he's high maintenance. Hopefully, after getting fired in NJ and Houston he's a little bit more humble and more grateful for being in the NBA he continues with being a good teamate.
 
He seems to be a good player but we're very overloaded at SG (Evans, Thornton, Garcia, and Salmons). Even though we have a plethora of SGs, you absolutely sign a player of his caliber and potential and work out the kinks later.

I like the athletic ability, size, length, defense, passing, and rebounding of having a starting backcourt of Evans and Williams, but both are poor shooters. I'm not sure if it would work if both of our backcourt player will not be able to stretch the court. I would like to hear what you guys think about that.

Personally, I'm doubtful that such a backcourt would work which forces me to push Williams to the bench. I would like to see a backcourt of this next season:

Hinrich or Dragic/Thomas
Evans/Williams

This could allow us to trade Thornton and Jimmer to upgrade our SF and PF spots which could help us balance out the roster.
 

A little dramatic at the beginning, but nice mix. Especially with my favorite J. Cole song. =)

If it turns out that we were really fortunate enough to stumble upon Terrence Williams after a personal realization of his need for an attitude makeover, I would recommend that we book the Shot Doc's entire summer to go to work with him and Reke.

If even just one of the two developed a reliable jumper, we could afford to pair them in the starting lineup and trot out one of the most devastating two-way backcourts in the league. The defensive potential almost goes without saying. On offense, you could live with the fact that neither is a "pure" point guard, because both have enough playmaking ability to handle the point duties by committee.
 
I like what TWill brings to the team... and if he keeps his head on straight, would like to see him stay and develop with us.

After the Timberwolves game the other night, Grant and Jerry interviewed him and he said he liked playing here and was friends with many of our players already... and would like to stay with Kings "God willing" for the future. What kind of a contract do you guys think is a fair price and term to offer him? What would he be asking?
 
I like what TWill brings to the team... and if he keeps his head on straight, would like to see him stay and develop with us.

After the Timberwolves game the other night, Grant and Jerry interviewed him and he said he liked playing here and was friends with many of our players already... and would like to stay with Kings "God willing" for the future. What kind of a contract do you guys think is a fair price and term to offer him? What would he be asking?

My guess is he'll sign a 1 year deal in the neighborhood of 1.5-2 million and go for the bigger long-term contract if he puts up a big numbers next season. He's not going to get a whole lot of money or have many suitors for his services
 
i have to say, i'm surprised by terrence williams' productivity so far. even though its only been a few games, he's given the kings much more than i had expected he could. its a positive development, but it also exacerbates the kings' existing problems. here's the most aggravating thing about their backcourt: this team is absolutely overloaded with talented players who might crack the starting rotation on a more competitively-balanced team. marcus thornton, isaiah thomas, and terrence williams all fit the bill of potential 6th man of the year candidates. any one of them can certainly start on this kings team, but, if you put them on the court together in combination with the other starters, its difficult to see how it would work in the long term...

truly, there's not much hope in continuing to start thomas and thornton alongside evans, because the defensive issues of such a backcourt are beyond glaring. however, evans and williams could form a strong, athletic, and defensively-tuned backcourt together, provided their matched with a SF who can spot up from the outside and help to move the ball. and if that SF is also a lockdown defender, then the kings could go from being one of the most pathetic defensive teams in the league to one of the strongest, outside of the frontcourt, at any rate. in this scenario, you'd also be asking demarcus cousins and jason thompson to play more pick and pop to help spread the floor, something that they're both capable of doing in spurts. all told, its a pretty attractive idea to me, if you can acquire the right kinda SF:

PG evans
SG williams
SF batum
PF thompson
C cousins

but people will still incessantly complain that evans can't play the PG; not that he shouldn't, or that he's simply better at the off-guard position. according to some, he flat out CAN'T play PG. its one of the most asinine assertions made on this board, but i'm willing to account for it anyway, since this is all hypothetical. that said, i can see terrence williams spending most of his time at the starting SF spot under keith smart. i am not satisfied with such a solution, but i could live with it. it certainly would render the john salmons acquisition even more moot and boneheaded. regardless, in this scenario, thomas could possibly coexist with evans and williams, although i maintain that thomas is not a long term solution at the starting PG position. his size really is a tremendous problem, defensively, and refusing to see that is blind escapism. he'd make an electric 6th man, though, and there's nothing wrong with that role for the 60th pick in the draft. then there's the possibility that marcus thornton could likewise coexist alongside evans and williams. thornton would become your go-to outside shooter, and if williams proves to be the unselfish, stat-stuffing glue guy that he's been for a few games, it could work. the key is shifting one of either thomas or thornton to the bench, but in either case, this scenario assumes an in-house remedy:

PG thornton/thomas
SG evans
SF williams
PF thompson
C cousins

i'd like to see such a lineup for the remainder of the season, at the very least, if only to solidify the notion that thornton or thomas will be coming off the bench next season. evans/thornton/thomas will NOT work any other way. they cannot share three starting spots in the long term if the kings want to taste any legitimate success, unless thornton wants to commit to defense. so, apart from trading thornton, who has showcased considerable value this season as a 20ppg scorer, smart needs to lock down that 6th man role as this team moves forward...
 
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