Suns/Bulls rumor

[Bricklayer]

NOTE: the source of this rumor may jsut be another of Chad Ford's sad little wet dreams, but it seems to be getting picked up by a number of sources. I raise it just because of the sexiness factor -- interesting possibilities:

Suns would trade:
Shawn Marion

Bulls would trade:
Tyson Chandler
#2 pick

Suns would then spend the #2 on Tyrus Thomas.


Marion would presumably become the Bulls fulltime starting PF. But they would be in completely desperate need of a center...or anybody else taller than 6'7".

Meanwhile, the Suns might have put together maybe the fastest/most athletic frontcourt in NBA history:

C - 7'1 Chandler
C/PF - 6'9" Kurt Thomas
PF/C - 6'9" Amare
PF - 6'9" Tyrus Thomas
SF/PF - 6'10" Tim Thomas
SF/PF/C - 6'8" Boris Diaw

So many athletes its scary.

 

[GoGoGadget]

That many athletic "bigs" running with Steve Nash? Be damned fun to watch, if nothing else.

 

[loopymitch]

I saw this on PTI, they didn't seem to think it was very likely. It would give me a reason to like the Suns

 

[BMiller52]

I don't really like it for either team. I think Marion's 3 point shooting and rebounding is very important to the suns. I mean it creates space for Amare and Nash to use the Pick&Roll IMO. He's also probably their most athletic player. The suns are built to win now while Nash, Bell, Thomas x2, and Marion are in their prime. Atleast that's my opinion. I don't really think they need to get a lot younger.

Don't like it for the bulls because I don't see who will create Marion's shot. Nash/Diaw do a pretty good job getting him open by penetrating, throwing alley oops, and finding him on the break. Who is going to do that on the bulls? They play different and none of their guys can pass like Nash/Diaw. I don't think Marion fits with their young guys either. If I'm Chicago I'd rather keep the pick and Chandler while signing someone like Nene or Ben Wallace or trade for a cheap low post presence like SAR. Marion is 27, has a huge contract, has a hard time creating his own shot, and he's undersized.

 

[nbrans]

I don't like it for either team as well. For the Bulls, that's too much to give up, even for the Matrix. For the Suns, they probably have only two years left before Steve Nash starts to slip, I don't see why they wouldn't go for it one year with the Nash/Bell/Diaw/Marion/Stoudamire group.
If it doesn't work next year Marion will still be tradable.

 

[Bricklayer]

Be interesting, but in the end it might actually help both.

Ths Bulls finally get a legit star.

And the Suns clear up the logjam at SF (Diaw, Thomas, Jones, Marion) while gaining all kinds of size and athleticism. In a system when all you have to do is run, run, run, the frontcourt could be lethal in transtion and feature all the shotblocking you could need. Don't actually lose much, if anything, on the galss either from Marion --> Chandler.


However, it only helps the Bulls if they then followup with a deal to get a legit 7'0" center, and really at least one legit backup 6'10" type guy too.

And the Suns side is keyed upon Amare being able to come back and be a star level player. If he can, then he and Nash are the stars and the roleplayers are out fo the world. If he struggles, scores 16ppg on 42% shooting or some such, they lack top ened firepower.

 

[SacTownKid]

Marion is a good player, but I don't know if he is a "legit star", he puts up great numbers but his impact on the game could be questioned. In the end I do think the Suns lose out on the talent aspect however. Interesting deal if it were true.

I have heard rumors that Marion is unhappy, but that frontcourt could have some severe issues in regards to playing time. Diaw, Amare, and Chandler/Thomas would get all the minutes

I have also heard they will most likely try to dump Kurt Thomas in order to make sure that they are able to keep Barbosa and Diaw. They already have 2 max contracts on the payroll so it makes sense.

 

[AleksandarN]

I thiink it would help the Suns a great deal in the playoffs. They need help on the defensive side in chandler they will get they need to real contenders a post defender that can block shots. That will help them in playoffs when offenses slows down.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

This trade would effectively take Chicago out of the running for Garnett. So, yeah, I'm all for it.

 

[SacTownKid]

I thiink it would help the Suns a great deal in the playoffs. They need help on the defensive side in chandler they will get they need to real contenders a post defender that can block shots. That will help them in playoffs when offenses slows down.

But you also have to take into account the fact that their coach loves small ball. He would most likely go with a Diaw/Amare frontcourt even if they had Chandler. The only way I see this going down is if the Bulls have a distorted view of the kind of player Marion is and of course Marion wants out of Phoenix.

 

[nbrans]

This trade would effectively take Chicago out of the running for Garnett. So, yeah, I'm all for it.

Why would it? They would still have all the cap room, youngsters, and the ability to switch picks with the Knicks next year. They might not want to blow that Knicks pick in case Oden is hanging around, but they could still offer Gordon, Deng, future picks and a whole load of cap relief.

 

[Bricklayer]

Why would it? They would still have all the cap room, youngsters, and the ability to switch picks with the Knicks next year. They might not want to blow that Knicks pick in case Oden is hanging around, but they could still offer Gordon, Deng, future picks and a whole load of cap relief.

Sans either Chandler or the #2 though, their package drops down considerably into the range others can match. Gordon is a tweener, Deng is nice, but hasn't shown much "star" yet, and no future pick SHOULD be as good as #2. They can stil make an offer, but basically then it comes down to whether the Wolves were just looking for cap room or not.

 

[ImaDougaholic24_7]

BOOOOOOOOOO! No way that's gonna happen. I can't and don't see the suns getting rid of Marion. Why in the world would someone want to give up a player like Shawn Marion

 

[captain bill]

Big risk for the Suns...Marion is a great player, career 20/10 and a good look from 3 and is a solid defender. For Chandler/Thomas/Amare frontcourt to work, first Chandler has to resume his great form of the past, which is far from guaranteed. Also, it messes with Phoenix's offence- they've been generating a lot of offense from the center position which Chandler can't provide. Kurt Thomas may provide as much as the Suns need out of a center, as bad as that may sound. He's probably a better fit, and not as much of a risk, especially considering they don't have to give up a perenial all-star for him.

Then, Tyrus T has to pan out to make this trade justified. If he's a bust in any way-including not becoming a really great player to offset the loss of Marion, then it's a bad deal. I don't think Chandler will be a truly great player, he's got too many consistency issues, health problems, and lack of offense to do that.

Further, Amare has to come back to full strength. He played best with Nash and Marion, what happens if he comes back hobbled and not to full strength?

Of course, any of the 6 guys left at SF/PF/C could be traded to acquire an upgrade at SG. If that deal was lined up, this would look a lot better for Phoenix. (Or, maybe just give Diaw more minutes at SG)


From Chicago's perspective I like this much more. Maybe they could do this deal then pursue Wallace in FA- make an instant contender. Hienrich/Gordon/Deng/Marion/Wallace would be a damn good team. Who knows...I somehow doubt, however, that this trade would actually happen. Way too much risk, for either team. Trade away the future for an immediate player who may not take the team over the top, or trade away a contender for a gamble on a future that may not pan out. One of these teams might get burned, problem is you can't know which. Chicago is probably more likely to do this- probably a little desperate after making little progress last year- but I think Pho will just sit and wait to see how Amare plays and how the new team looks without making any big moves.

 

[Amanjoy]

I don't like it for either team as well. For the Bulls, that's too much to give up, even for the Matrix. For the Suns, they probably have only two years left before Steve Nash starts to slip, I don't see why they wouldn't go for it one year with the Nash/Bell/Diaw/Marion/Stoudamire group.
If it doesn't work next year Marion will still be tradable.

We have to rememebr that they lost part of the brains of the organization when Colangelo went up north to Canada. If they were to pull something like this it would be a possible sign that the rest of that organization doesn't really know what it's doing.