SAR: Weak and Skinny - Trainer/Staff to Blame?

[bench_blob]

There is no reason Shareef should be 15 pounds lighter and weaker, and a shell of the former player we see.

By the time he gets back to his previous caliber, the year could be over.

Has not the coaching staff ever heard of a nutritionist, MetRX power shakes, or peanut butter (loaded with healthy fat and protein), milk shakes, or fruit smoothies loaded with protein powder, flax seed, and essential nutrients?

Any competent nutritionist could easily devise a diet with a precise number of daily calorie intake, and the proper balance of carbs, protein, and fat so that Shareef did not lose an ounce a weight.

Additionally, there is no reason he could not have spent plenty of time in the weight room to maintain his upper body and lower body strength.

Granted, his cardio vascular conditioning suffered as a result of not being able to engage in intensive cardio training.

Why do the Kings not employ a nutritionist, if not full-time, then at least as a consultant, to address extraordinary situations like these, like when a player cannot consume solid foods?

The Kings trainer is dubious at best, given the track record of injuries, especially groin strains which are completely avoidable with proper stretching program, and the fact that he himself runs in marathons, which is one of the worst thing any person, especially a man, can do to his body.

The Kings upgraded on the court recently with the addition of Ron-Ron. Our off-court personnel could use some upgrading too.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

have you ever attempted to consume ALL your meals through a straw? its normal, expected to lose weight. it is amazing that SAR is playing NBA much less doing any cardio/weight work. this is a pretty silly post, i don't mean to attack you and i'm not calling you stupid, so put away the flame throwers.

 

[BawLa]

There is no reason Shareef should be 15 pounds lighter and weaker, and a shell of the former player we see.

By the time he gets back to his previous caliber, the year could be over.

Has not the coaching staff ever heard of a nutritionist, MetRX power shakes, or peanut butter (loaded with healthy fat and protein), milk shakes, or fruit smoothies loaded with protein powder, flax seed, and essential nutrients?

Any competent nutritionist could easily devise a diet with a precise number of daily calorie intake, and the proper balance of carbs, protein, and fat so that Shareef did not lose an ounce a weight.

Additionally, there is no reason he could not have spent plenty of time in the weight room to maintain his upper body and lower body strength.

Granted, his cardio vascular conditioning suffered as a result of not being able to engage in intensive cardio training.

Why do the Kings not employ a nutritionist, if not full-time, then at least as a consultant, to address extraordinary situations like these, like when a player cannot consume solid foods?

The Kings trainer is dubious at best, given the track record of injuries, especially groin strains which are completely avoidable with proper stretching program, and the fact that he himself runs in marathons, which is one of the worst thing any person, especially a man, can do to his body.

The Kings upgraded on the court recently with the addition of Ron-Ron. Our off-court personnel could use some upgrading too.

It's not exactly that simple. Have you ever broken or fractured a bone? Have you ever fractured or broken a bone in your face? First of all you have to go at least 1-2 weeks without exercise so that you ensure that no forces go through those bones and screw up the rebuilding process. Then, in this freakish case, his jaw was wired shut. You can't just throw meat into a grinder, feed it through a straw and expect that to be equivelant. Not to mention how nasty that would taste. You can't just take a special powerbar to keep your body heathly as well. You have to WAIT until it is healed enough until you can start exercising again. And all of the foods and supplements you eat don't do crap unless you exercise and work out. SAR did all of this. And he is now on the court because he can deal with the pain. But comon, you cant just ask your body to not lose weight. It is a byproduct of this freak accident. It is too bad, and I wish it were different too, but just chill out man. No new magical nutritionist is going to make SAR not lose weight in this whole process. What we need is for SAR to get 100% before we let him back on the court. Unfortunately we were in such a s**ty situation that we let him back early.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I agree with the last few posters that losing weight during this type of injury is normal and to be expected. On the flip side as soon as he gets his jaw unwired and resumes his normal eating habits he could balloon right back up and beyond, that's where the trainer will need to stay involved.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I agree with the last few posters that losing weight during this type of injury is normal and to be expected. On the flip side as soon as he gets his jaw unwired and resumes his normal eating habits he could balloon right back up and beyond, that's where the trainer will need to stay involved.

My understanding is that Reef is a devout Muslim and eats Halal, so likely enough wonce the wires come off the fat in his diet will be low, protine high and he obviously gets plenty of excericse so I doubt if he will get a Ostertag or even a Miller physic... skip the Elk Burgers.

 

[Bricklayer]

I only lost about 5lbs when I had the wires on. This isn't a training staff issue. You can keep you weight up decently yourself if you just give it a little thought.

 

[kennadog]

I lost 10 pounds when wired shut, most of it in the last 2 weeks of the 6 weeks. I really had to work at it to keep from losing more, because they didn't want me to lose more than 10. (And I was not exercising as much as Shareef.) Body needs lots of nutrients and energy just to heal. I couldn't even fit a straw thru, anywhere. It was teeny, tiny little holes and it took a lot of work to suck hard enough to get the liquids thru. It's really a drag. Oh the nutritionist gave me a booklet of great blender recipes, but it is just not fun and gets awfully boring.

 

[Bricklayer]

I lost 10 pounds when wired shut, most of it in the last 2 weeks of the 6 weeks. I really had to work at it to keep from losing more, because they didn't want me to lose more than 10. (And I was not exercising as much as Shareef.) Body needs lots of nutrients and energy just to heal. I couldn't even fit a straw thru, anywhere. It was teeny, tiny little holes and it took a lot of work to suck hard enough to get the liquids thru. It's really a drag. Oh the nutritionist gave me a booklet of great blender recipes, but it is just not fun and gets awfully boring.

I tell you -- many flavors of watery instant mashed potaoes, and then lots of Cream of Wheat.

 

[Kings113]

Garbage thread and out of frustration, indeed

 

[kennadog]

I tell you -- many flavors of watery instant mashed potaoes, and then lots of Cream of Wheat.

Bleeeccchhh...LOL. Actually the recipes they gave me were creative and quite tasty with a lot of variety. It's just so boring to taste one thing at a meal and to never be able to actually CHEW something.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Buddy of mine broke his janw and dropped a lot of weight... prety much lived on protine drinksand Ensure... siad the worst part really was going almost 2 months with out a solid BM.

 

[kennadog]

Buddy of mine broke his janw and dropped a lot of weight... prety much lived on protine drinksand Ensure... siad the worst part really was going almost 2 months with out a solid BM.

ROTFL! Thanks for sharing.

 

[Bricklayer]

Also hot chocolate and chocolate milk. The latter which I rarely drink otherwise, and which can be a little painful if too cold since everything washes over your teeth (no shakes!). None of that blender garbage though. Ick! Nonetheless, I could get up around 1500 calories without too many problems. 2000 if I pushed it.

 

[quick dog]

I could use about a month with a wired jaw. Ahhh, I can see it now. Smoothies, malted milk shakes, and red wine. I would probably gain weight.

I recommend hospital food for sustained weight loss.

 

[Bricklayer]

I could use about a month with a wired jaw. Ahhh, I can see it now. Smoothies, malted milk shakes, and red wine. I would probably gain weight.

I recommend hospital food for sustained weight loss.

Try sucking a few ice cold smoothies through/over your clenched teeth and get back to me.

Is it still a smoothie at room temperature?

 

[SK23]

I can't actually believe SAR is playing out there. He should be in the bench because he can't really face up against the bigger guys right now. I appreciate his effort and everything but it would be smart to start Skinner at the center position. SAR is a player with heart. I don't think anyone else in the NBA would even think of doing what he is doing.

 

[Bricklayer]

I can't actually believe SAR is playing out there. He should be in the bench because he can't really face up against the bigger guys right now. I appreciate his effort and everything but it would be smart to start Skinner at the center position. SAR is a player with heart. I don't think anyone else in the NBA would even think of doing what he is doing.

Oh, there are a few, and really right now the main danger has passed. When he first came back that was too early for the fracture to be fully healed and one good crack to the jaw = ouch. Thought it was brave of him to return, but dumb for us to even let him play under those circumstances. But now he'd probably be ok and the major part of the healing should be done. Those braces would still slice up your mouth on a good shot, but otherwise should be ok. More a weakness issue now than the jaw itself.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Try sucking a few ice cold smoothies through/over your clenched teeth and get back to me.

Is it still a smoothie at room temperature?

You weenie.

Not having sensitive teeth is cool -- I used to have endless fun biting down on ice cream and popsicles as a kid, just to watch people cringe.

And, yes, a smoothie is still a smoothie at room temperature... it's just not as yummy.

 

[Entity]

I only lost about 5lbs when I had the wires on. This isn't a training staff issue. You can keep you weight up decently yourself if you just give it a little thought.

And i bet you weren't going through the everyday phisical workouts that and NBA player goes through much less 40 min in a NBA game. So if you lost 5 lbs i would think 15 is about right under those conditions. Anyway he gets them off wednesday so i imagine he will gain 5 to 10 back the first week

 

[Bricklayer]

And i bet you weren't going through the everyday phisical workouts that and NBA player goes through much less 40 min in a NBA game. So if you lost 5 lbs i would think 15 is about right under those conditions. Anyway he gets them off wednesday so i imagine he will gain 5 to 10 back the first week

No, but after taking the first 10 days off I did return to my normal workout schedule, and also had a 3 mile roundtrip hike back and forth from school which I would take at least once, and often several times a day.

All of which is irrelevant really -- its the calories that are the thing. Take in enough, you could be running a marthon every day and it would not matter. And that just comes down to whether you are willing to force stuff down or not. Not that you are eating anything MORE than you would be normally. Just that it doesn't taste as good (although the whole chocolate milk angle worked nicely for me -- cheerfully had 3 or 4 glasses a day).

 

[AleksandarN]

I do believe that our luck with injuries are do in part to how our players are trained. Look at Detroit they have the best conditioning coach in the whole NBA and look how many injuries they have. They trainer has an individual program for each athlete and it is specialized for the their body and position they play in. I wounder what kind of program we run if any for our players? I beginning to think we may need a new a trainer for our team.

 

[nbrans]

I do believe that our luck with injuries are do in part to how our players are trained. Look at Detroit they have the best conditioning coach in the whole NBA and look how many injuries they have. They trainer has an individual program for each athlete and it is specialized for the their body and position they play in. I wounder what kind of program we run if any for our players? I beginning to think we may need a new a trainer for our team.

Look at the injuries though. Zach Randolph breaks Shareef's jaw. Artest gets hit in the hip. Brad gets hit on the hand. Peja gets hit on the hand. The only wear-and-tear injuries were Bonzi's groin and Peja's back. And Bonzi's 29, about the time those things start happening, one reason I'm scared to death of signing him to a long deal.

Pete Youngman has the worst job in the NBA dealing with all the Kings' injuries, let's not start dumping on him.

 

[AleksandarN]

Look at the injuries though. Zach Randolph breaks Shareef's jaw. Artest gets hit in the hip. Brad gets hit on the hand. Peja gets hit on the hand. The only wear-and-tear injuries were Bonzi's groin and Peja's back. And Bonzi's 29, about the time those things start happening, one reason I'm scared to death of signing him to a long deal.

Pete Youngman has the worst job in the NBA dealing with all the Kings' injuries, let's not start dumping on him.

I am not just talking about this year look at our injuries the last 7 years. We need a better trainer to coupe with all our injuries. We need to be better prepared that is all. The injuries we had to deal with the last 7 year are extensive.

 

[BBallGrl15]

I do believe that our luck with injuries are do in part to how our players are trained. Look at Detroit they have the best conditioning coach in the whole NBA and look how many injuries they have. They trainer has an individual program for each athlete and it is specialized for the their body and position they play in. I wounder what kind of program we run if any for our players? I beginning to think we may need a new a trainer for our team.

Just to let you know an Athletic Trainer and a conditioning coach are two different people. I would know because I am currently majoring in athletic training. Athletic Trainers can get a CSCS certification in additioning to their AT certification which would give them the basic background of strength and conditioning. That is usually a professional and individual decision. You cannot compare two teams and their amounts of injury. I know one of the parts of my soon to be profession is to help prevent injury but that can only be done to certain extent. To me, it seems that our focus is more on preventing reinjury. We can't stop someone from getting injured. Even the healthiest and best athletes get hurt. There are many other factors that can go into what causes injury. Sure decreased flexibility can be a factor but ATs cannot make an athlete stretch. Also other things that can affect performance that could lead to injury as well could be illness, stress, fatigue, etc.... All things that an AT has no control over.
I would not be quick to blame their Athletic Trainer because injuries are individual dependent. So is the healing process, time missed, etc...