Kings Faithful
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Why would the Lakers do that when they could just rape some other team in a trade for Gasol... expect nothing short of "Josh Smith + 1st round pick for Gasol" or "Joe Johnson + Gerald Wallace for Gasol"....lol
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- Thread starter macadocious
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Why would the Lakers do that when they could just rape some other team in a trade for Gasol... expect nothing short of "Josh Smith + 1st round pick for Gasol" or "Joe Johnson + Gerald Wallace for Gasol"....lol
Cwebb#4
G-League
So it isn't that crazy?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Salaries don't match. At all.
And I really don't see why any of these teams pull the trigger whatsoever.
King in England
G-League
How would you guys feel about dropping out of the draft this year and picking up anderson varejao? We already owe cleveland our pick, top 13 protected i believe, why not just say remove the protection for varejao.
Kings Receive: A Varejao
Cavs Receive: Our 2013 !st round unprotected pick and Garcia
Is that enough to get him?
Kings Receive: A Varejao
Cavs Receive: Our 2013 !st round unprotected pick and Garcia
Is that enough to get him?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
They will eventually own our draft pick at some point, so why trade for it. They would essentially be trading Varejao of Cisco. Does that make sense to you.
DesertFox
Starter
Hedo is going to be suspended and while he has been pretty terrible/hurt, he'd fit this team well (sounds bad I know). I'm sure the Magic would love to get rid of his contract, and they're running thin on point guards.
Salmons+Brooks+Thornton for Hedo+Redick works.
The Magic get some flexibility and a young asset in Thornton. Brooks is a warm body to fill-in for injuries, and possibly be an expiring contract.
The Kings freeup some logjam and lose long term salary, while adding players who actually compliment the team's stars.
Kings:
Evans/Redick/Garcia/JT/Cuz
IT/Jimmer/JJ/Trob/Hayes
When Hedo comes back plug him in for Garcia. A lot of interchangeable parts (Jimmer/Reddick, Hedo/Johnson, etc) that Smart might even be able to figure out a substitution pattern.
As much as it may hurt to lose Thornton, the team could actually make better use of the cap space, or even re-sign Redick who fits the role player mold much better.
Salmons+Brooks+Thornton for Hedo+Redick works.
The Magic get some flexibility and a young asset in Thornton. Brooks is a warm body to fill-in for injuries, and possibly be an expiring contract.
The Kings freeup some logjam and lose long term salary, while adding players who actually compliment the team's stars.
Kings:
Evans/Redick/Garcia/JT/Cuz
IT/Jimmer/JJ/Trob/Hayes
When Hedo comes back plug him in for Garcia. A lot of interchangeable parts (Jimmer/Reddick, Hedo/Johnson, etc) that Smart might even be able to figure out a substitution pattern.
As much as it may hurt to lose Thornton, the team could actually make better use of the cap space, or even re-sign Redick who fits the role player mold much better.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
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twslam07
All-Star
It would be an earlier draft pick if we removed the protection (top 13 protection in 2013, top 12 protection in 2014, top 10 protection in 2015 and 2016, and then it turns into a 2nd round pick in 2017). We currently have the 6th worst record in the league. That is 5 spots better than Cleveland will ever have if they get the 11th pick in the 2015/2016 draft! And don't get me started on the time value of players/picks (A dollar earned today is worth more than a dollar earned tomorrow).
Your logic doesn't make sense to me. Taking the protection off our pick has value; otherwise, why did we put the protection on the pick in the first place? It's foolish to think this trade is essentially Garcia for Varejao.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
If they were to make a deal including the return of their pick, it would be for the 2014 draft, and not the upcoming one, which is considered a weak draft by comparison. As for waiting, there's always the possibility that the Kings make sigificant deals in the offseason, and then make the playoff's next season. If that were to occur, or even if they were to just miss, the Cav's would automaticly get their pick, and in a far more talented draft. To put it in prespective, out of this group that will be in the 2014 draft, Andrew Wiggins, Jabbari Parker, Andrew Harrison, Julius Randle, Aaron Harrison, Aaron Gordon, James Young, and Noah Vonleh, all could be the first pick in the upcoming draft if elligible. Now obviously, there will be some failures in that group. There always is. But I think you can see why it might be a good idea to wait and see, rather than make a deal now, that maybe could be made next season.
From the Kings prespective, it might be advantagous to make such a deal this year. I just doubt that the Cav's would want to make such a deal. Besides, I think they can get much more than that for Varejao. And no, its not foolish to think its Cisco for Varejao, if the Kings were to make the playoffs's next season. They would have given away Varejao for a pick they would have gotten anyway the next season.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
By the way, for those of you that don't know, Nerlens Noel, the probable first pick in the upcoming draft tore his ACL and is out for the season. As a result, its possible that he might slide down the board a bit. I doubt he'll slide far, but maybe far enough for us to have a shot at him. So what was a disastor for him, might end up being a blessing for us. Naw, we never get that lucky!
twslam07
All-Star
I was under the impression, as I'm sure many more were, that the pick would be for this upcoming draft. I'm sure that is what the OP was implying (correct me if I'm wrong). Why wouldn't we be able to give them the pick for this draft? We could easily make a draft day deal with this pick.
I see where you are coming from though. You mentioned that this trade would be for the 2014 draft (something I don't understand and hope you explain to me). You're saying (or theoretically saying) it's very likely that the Kings will not fall into the bottom 12 next season which would result in our pick going to the Cavs, so essentially it would be Garcia for Varejao. I agree with you about that. Where our miscommunication lies is that you think this trade is for the 2014 season and I think this trade is for the 2013 season. If the season ended today, the trade would be the 6th pick and Garcia for Varejao. Let's say they declined that trade, and next season, we don't fall into the bottom 12. They would get our pick in the 2014 draft. So here is the year over year comparison:
Who would the Cavs rather have?
6th pick in 2013 draft
Francisco Garcia
or
13th-30th pick in the 2014 draft
Anderson Varejao
When you put it this way, it doesn't look so attractive to the Cavs, but again you can't say that the trade would be essentially Garcia for Varejao.
twslam07
All-Star
Let's hope for the best and forget the rest!
King in England
G-League
I've seen a few people mention in other threads about trading our 1st rounder this year. This may be a stupid question but would we be allowed to trade out of the draft completely? Considering you aren't allowed to trade out of the draft two years in a row and Cleveland could possibly be getting our pick for next season (JJ Hickson trade). I'm assuming we would have to trade for another first rounder this year or next?
Assuming this is correct what would you all think about trading our pick this year for another pick next year? The general consensus is that next years draft is a lot stronger so I was thinking something like...
Kings 1st (2013)
For
Bucks 1st (2014)
In my ideal world we would add in one of our smaller assets (Jimmer?) for one of their many forwards/big men (udoh?)
Assuming this is correct what would you all think about trading our pick this year for another pick next year? The general consensus is that next years draft is a lot stronger so I was thinking something like...
Kings 1st (2013)
For
Bucks 1st (2014)
In my ideal world we would add in one of our smaller assets (Jimmer?) for one of their many forwards/big men (udoh?)
jalfa
Starter
you can't trade consecutive draft picks and can't trade the pick as a pick, as long as you have traded your next firstrounder or said pick is conditional. you can, however, trade the pick once it has turned into a drafted player. ie. it prohibits trades including the pick before draft day, but if you have an understanding with another team, you can draft the player they want at that spot and trade him.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Until the pick we owe Cleveland is resolved, we can't trade a future pick since we don't know when the Cleveland pick is going to be returned. Which means its hard to make a deal for the pick in advance. However, it doesn't stop you from trading whomever you end up drafting after the fact. Once you've drafted someone, your then dealing in specifics. I suspose that you could agree to draft a certain player for another team and then make the trade. Not sure if that doesn't violate league rules though.
Darth Divac
Bench
I was just expirementing with the ESPN trade machine, and it seems that trading Kevin Love for DMC gives Minny +9 wins, while we get -12 wins....
Darth Divac
Bench
How about Cousins/Patterson/Salmons for Avery Bradley/Jared Sullinger/Jeff Green? I know that there's a snowball's chance in Hell of this ever heppening, but if you're The Kings GM, do you take this deal?
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DesertFox
Starter
Out: a volatile but top 10 talent, and expiring contracts in the form of a legit 3rd big and a backend rotation swingman
In: a combo guard with Bobby J upside, a 3rd big with injury question marks, and a solid combo forward.
No way. Bradley is a nice talent, but he's the prize in this trade and should never be more than your 3rd best player.
...for good reason.
Telemachus
Starter
kingsnation
All-Star
No. I love Avery Bradley - alot. But you don't give up Cousins for that. Also - you do this deal and you add Bradley to our already crowded cesspool of guards, all without getting rid of even one.
GoodOldDouwe
G-League
If there's one player I'd love to get and pair up with Cousins it's Taj Gibson. Tall, athletic, good shotblocker, active on the glass, solid pick & roll defender and able to hit midrange shots. He extended his contract last year: 38 million dollars for four years. Would we be able to get him for our 1st rounder, JT and Thornton? I know some of you are going to say something like 'Wow, that's a lot for a guy who has started in 24 games in the last three years(208 games played), but he and DMC could be one heck of a frontcourt. Thoughts?
Sac.Kings
All-Star
What do you guys think about a possible trade for Jimmy Butler? He seems like a really solid SF and is a young guy, and has been playing really well for the Bulls this postseason. I am not sure if the Bulls would want anyone we could offer (Thornton is the first that comes to mind).
Just a suggestion - Instead of just throwing out random trade ideas, follow the tips we created years ago for trade proposals. You'll find that people are generally more apt to respond if you've given some justifications and not just names.
This is downright inflammatory.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Not if you're a Celtics fan. Back midseason they were saying they wouldn't trade Bradley for Cousins straight up.
So screw 'em. Enjoy your Bradley you silly sonsabitches.
jalfa
Starter
Yes, there is quite a significant amount of assets we should be willing to trade in order to get someone like Butler. he belongs in the elusive TDA (threes, defense, athleticism) group that's now being sought out more than ever. if the Bulls are willing to give him away, anything short of Tyreke or Cuz can go.
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Not far from Deng in terms of production, fits better with Rose with his outside shooting and is owed barely over $1 million for the next 2 years...You have much better chance of getting Deng.
