Pre-draft workout videos

[Dime Dropper]

I disagree with your last paragraph. I think "softness" is very much a preference. Look at Tayshaun Prince. He's skinny as hell but he's a tough, long defender. No one ever calls him "soft". Hawes on the other hand was quoted saying that he didn't see himself as a guy who'd bang around inside and do all the dirty work. Getting outmuscled is one thing, but this "soft" label is most often used when talking about guys who very much have the physical and athletic skills/size to be aggressive and physical, but instead choose to shy away from contact. How many times has Pau Gasol been called soft, only to come back for a few games playing very aggressively and being more physical? If you're weak you're weak - and people will call you out for being weak, and say you need to put on mass etc. Being soft is a completely different thing.

Agreed.

 

[bajaden]

We have this same argument every year. Last year people were trying to tell me Jimmer was a great pick and a better defender than he showed in college. I still don't see it. Petrie's had one or two home runs, a nice string of solid picks, and a few blunders. That makes him about average. And the guys he tends to miss on (Douby, Jimmer, Hawes, etc) are all skills players

with massive question marks (particularly in the areas of strength, defense, and rebounding) that Geoff ignored because they could shoot the ball. So it freaks me out whenever I see a video of a guy hoisting jump shots and rumors that we're interested. Given the choice I'd rather have a guy who can't shoot but does everything else instead of a guy who can only shoot. We should do well in this draft no matter what unless Petrie tries to get cute and outsmart everyone by drafting "the next great shooter" 5-10 spots sooner than he should.

Brian Grant
Larry Funderburke - 2nd round
Peja
Gerald Wallace
Hedo
Kevin Martin
J. Will, became Bibby
Corliss Williamson
Francisco Garcia
Tyreke Evans
DeMarcus Cousins
Jason Thompson

Not perfect, but not bad. Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but sitting on a beach 600 miles south of the border near Mulege. Be back next week...

 

[bajaden]

Terrence Jones workout. Not too much footage of him but makes a nice pass and you can see how big/athletic he is.

The thing I like about him is that he is not a tweener in the usual way. He has the size, body, strength and athleticism to play PF (and defend them very well), but some of the skills to play SF. That's a good combination. Usually tweeners have SF bodies with PF skills, which doesn't often work. Jones can pretty much play either position effectively if it turns out he has the lateral quickness to guard SFs. His shot is weird, but apart from that he has a very well rounded game. Very good defender, passer, ball-handler, rebounder etc.. Not a lot that he can't do.

T Jones is an interesting player. Can play two positions, play them pretty well. He's not the shotblocker that Henson is, but he will block shots. Very good man defender. Very strong, but also very athletic with a very good wingspan. He's an excellent ballhandler for a big man, and a very good passer. He has the ability to take players off the dribble and attack the basket. As I said before, I think he'll be a better pro than a college player. If your looking for someone that can defend, and contribute quicker than others, then he's someone I'd look at.

 

[Vlade4GM]

If it wasn't for Henson's frame, I'd be all for him, but I think it will do him in in the NBA. It's narrow and he has a high center of gravity, I don't see him ever really having the necessary strength to be a good starting big in this league. Brandan Wright.

 

[bajaden]

If it wasn't for Henson's frame, I'd be all for him, but I think it will do him in in the NBA. It's narrow and he has a high center of gravity, I don't see him ever really having the necessary strength to be a good starting big in this league. Brandan Wright.

Yeah, part of my problem with Henson is that his lower base is weak. I can see him as a good weakside defender, but I can't see him defending a post up. I don't care how hard you try, 250 pounds of experienced muscle is going to move 216 pounds off the block. Henson has excellent timing on his blocks. No one is denying that. My big issue has been the track record of tall skinny players that can block shots in college. Its a poor success rate. Camby is the exception, not the rule. To compare him with Ibaka is ridiculous. Even Whiteside is a poor comparison. Henson had 3 years of school to add weight. Whiteside only played one year, and has a bigger frame. Look how quickly Hassan added muscle once in a solid program.

 

[Bricklayer]

Good workout vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMs5cFIMhJg

 

[Uk kings fan]

apparently Andre Young was really strong for us anouther second round PG??

 

[Siranthony]

T Jones is an interesting player. Can play two positions, play them pretty well. He's not the shotblocker that Henson is, but he will block shots. Very good man defender. Very strong, but also very athletic with a very good wingspan. He's an excellent ballhandler for a big man, and a very good passer. He has the ability to take players off the dribble and attack the basket. As I said before, I think he'll be a better pro than a college player. If your looking for someone that can defend, and contribute quicker than others, then he's someone I'd look at.

Looking at Jones I think he is going to fit in the NBA very well. My new draft order is MKG, Drummond, Jones. I'll take Jones over Barnes.

 

[upinsmoke]

Looking at Jones I think he is going to fit in the NBA very well. My new draft order is MKG, Drummond, Jones. I'll take Jones over Barnes.

I'm a fan of T-Jones as well but to big him over Barnes WHOA i'm not to sure about that, Barnes is ready to step in and play the 3 game 1.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Not a Kings workout, but a Wizards one of Beal. It's an unedited shooting drill. My legs are getting tired just watching it. FWIW, I think will be a very good player. But the glut of guards on our roster means there's no space for him as things stand.

 

[bajaden]

Not a Kings workout, but a Wizards one of Beal. It's an unedited shooting drill. My legs are getting tired just watching it. FWIW, I think will be a very good player. But the glut of guards on our roster means there's no space for him as things stand.

Yeah, I like Beal a lot. Just haven't talked about him much since we don't have a need at that position. Plus, I don't think he's going to slide down to five. You can see the comparisons to Ray Allen. Very smooth, almost effortless shooting stroke. He's a very good athlete as well. Now if we could trade him out for Thornton, then I can see us picking him. Or, if you think he's the best player available, then you pick him.

 

[JB_kings]

Yeah, I like Beal a lot. Just haven't talked about him much since we don't have a need at that position. Plus, I don't think he's going to slide down to five. You can see the comparisons to Ray Allen. Very smooth, almost effortless shooting stroke. He's a very good athlete as well. Now if we could trade him out for Thornton, then I can see us picking him. Or, if you think he's the best player available, then you pick him.

I can think of some players who could use that drill.

 

[Siranthony]

Watching this video Beal missed quit a few shots. It appears he doesn't have enough arc to his shot IMO.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Watching this video Beal missed quit a few shots. It appears he doesn't have enough arc to his shot IMO.

Well, if it was edited like all the other videos, it would have looked like he made all of his shots.

 

[bajaden]

Watching this video Beal missed quit a few shots. It appears he doesn't have enough arc to his shot IMO.

This wasn't a youtube highlight video where no mistakes are shown. All players miss shots. Its just that the good shooters make a higher percentage. Beal has a beautiful looking shot, so I have no idea what your talking about in that regard.

 

[The_Jamal]

Yeah, I like Beal a lot. Just haven't talked about him much since we don't have a need at that position. Plus, I don't think he's going to slide down to five. You can see the comparisons to Ray Allen. Very smooth, almost effortless shooting stroke. He's a very good athlete as well. Now if we could trade him out for Thornton, then I can see us picking him. Or, if you think he's the best player available, then you pick him.

I'll be absolutely furious if we have a choice between Drummond/Beal or Barnes/Beal and we go the other direction because of need. That said, I don't see how he gets past Washington or Cleveland if he's there. Pairing him with Wall or Irving is a pretty exciting opportunity to watch

 

[Dime Dropper]

Yeah, Beal shot very well in that clip, especially for someone that probably went through a tough workout before that.

 

[Mass]

I like Beal, a lot, but if he falls to us, what do we do? Usually I always want to draft the BPA, but this time I really can't be sure what I'd like the Kings to do. If we take him, we need to trade someone. Thornton, or maybe even Tyreke. The problem here is that I'm not sure we can get enough value from this trade. Other teams know that we have to move someone, so it's not an easy scenario for us. I don't know, I'm very uncertain about that.

 

[Hallama]

I like Beal, a lot, but if he falls to us, what do we do? Usually I always want to draft the BPA, but this time I really can't be sure what I'd like the Kings to do. If we take him, we need to trade someone. Thornton, or maybe even Tyreke. The problem here is that I'm not sure we can get enough value from this trade. Other teams know that we have to move someone, so it's not an easy scenario for us. I don't know, I'm very uncertain about that.

Kings are in no position to not take the top talent on the board. They need assets and need to improve their top 7/8 players. You take Beal if the Kings have him ranked the highest when they pick. Then you take care of balancing the roster with trades/FA.

Beal/Tyreke/Thorton/TWilliams would be a pretty nice Power1/2/3 rotation. If the Kings can land a FA SF or PF, or trade for one, they're moving in the right direction this year.

 

[Mass]

Kings are in no position to not take the top talent on the board. They need assets and need to improve their top 7/8 players. You take Beal if the Kings have him ranked the highest when they pick. Then you take care of balancing the roster with trades/FA.

Beal/Tyreke/Thorton/TWilliams would be a pretty nice Power1/2/3 rotation. If the Kings can land a FA SF or PF, or trade for one, they're moving in the right direction this year.

I agree with you. But you forgot IT, and also Salmons I think. The magoof aren't going to pay him 8 millions to just sit down. I still think if we draft Beal, we will have to move someone. MT is the first option, and if we could land a real SF or a rim protector, I'd be perfectly fine with that.

Anyways, I agree that we are not in the position to not take the top talent out there, and this team also desperately needs a real shooter.

 

[Hallama]

I agree with you. But you forgot IT, and also Salmons I think. The magoof aren't going to pay him 8 millions to just sit down. I still think if we draft Beal, we will have to move someone. MT is the first option, and if we could land a real SF or a rim protector, I'd be perfectly fine with that.

Anyways, I agree that we are not in the position to not take the top talent out there, and this team also desperately needs a real shooter.

I don't consider IT (definitely not Salmons) a top seven or eight player in a playoff caliber rotation, that's why I didn't mention them. IT is a nice change of pace PG off the bench, good insurance for injuries, but if the goal is playoffs +, he's not the guy, imo.

 

[Anthony1]

I have no problem with the Kings taking Beal and dealing away Reke. Reke is the piece that doesn't fit, don't trade Thornton, when we've already got him signed to a nice contract. We either start Thornton, and Beal becomes a scoring machine for our 2nd unit (possibly 6th man of the year type), or we start Beal and Thornton is our 6th man of the year type. Reke is moved for a legit SF or a big PG with "real" pass first mentality and court awareness. We are going to need a big PG anyways, if we have Thornton and Beal.

 

[ElRey]

I have no problem with the Kings taking Beal and dealing away Reke. Reke is the piece that doesn't fit, don't trade Thornton, when we've already got him signed to a nice contract. We either start Thornton, and Beal becomes a scoring machine for our 2nd unit (possibly 6th man of the year type), or we start Beal and Thornton is our 6th man of the year type. Reke is moved for a legit SF or a big PG with "real" pass first mentality and court awareness. We are going to need a big PG anyways, if we have Thornton and Beal.

You want to deal Reke, a former ROY and much more dynamic player , for Beal ,and then you can put him on the bench?? HUH

 

[kennadog]

I don't get why so many around here seem so darn eager to dump Reke.

 

[Gilles]

He may stunt Thomas' growth and takes away shots from Thornton.

 

[kennadog]

He may stunt Thomas' growth and takes away shots from Thornton.

So? Thomas is surely not going to be our long-term solution at PG and we could use a point guard that can guard other point guards in this league. Thomas is too small to be our FT, first option PG in my mind. And I'd rather keep Reke over Thornton is that's the choice.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Really hope we don't take either of these guys, even in the second round. Neither will make it in the NBA. Sacre is big and strong, but he's not particularly talented. He's very physical, competitive and a high-character guy. Also 23, so pretty much no upside but might provide some additional maturity. That's the positives that come with him, but I'd prefer to take someone who might turn into a real player down the line. Hummel's best case scenario is Matt Bonner, and even that's a stretch. Give Sacre an invite to training camp, but don't waste a high second round pick on either of them.

 

[bajaden]

Really hope we don't take either of these guys, even in the second round. Neither will make it in the NBA. Sacre is big and strong, but he's not particularly talented. He's very physical, competitive and a high-character guy. Also 23, so pretty much no upside but might provide some additional maturity. That's the positives that come with him, but I'd prefer to take someone who might turn into a real player down the line. Hummel's best case scenario is Matt Bonner, and even that's a stretch. Give Sacre an invite to training camp, but don't waste a high second round pick on either of them.

Hummel has been a walking injury for the last three years. What athleticism he had, has been diminished by injuries. He can definitely shoot the ball, but I doubt he could guard a broom. Other than that, good BBIQ and good charactor guy. I doubt Sacre will make it in the league.

 

[Gilles]

So? Thomas is surely not going to be out long-term solution at PG and we could use a point guard that can guard other point guards in this league. Thomas is too small to be our FT, first option PG in my mind. And I'd rather keep Reke over Thornton is that's the choice.

Sorry, that was a sarcasm.

 

[kennadog]

Sorry, that was a sarcasm.

Sorry, it actually sounded like so many serious posts and I'm easily duped anyway, because I'm way too serious.