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two things firstly who is working out for us todayand secondly who workedoutfor us yesterday and is there a vidio of them?
Pre-draft workout videos
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Dime Dropper
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Here's Zeller's workout video. KingsCitizen may want to edit this into the OP so all the workout vids are together, but for now, I'll post it here:
Don't get to see too much of him, and what we do see, isn't terribly impressive. I think he'll be a solid NBA big, maybe a little like Nick Collison, but I don't particularly want him on the Kings.
Don't get to see too much of him, and what we do see, isn't terribly impressive. I think he'll be a solid NBA big, maybe a little like Nick Collison, but I don't particularly want him on the Kings.
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Dime Dropper
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For anyone who hasn't watched, I thought this was a great interview with Henson after his workout with us:
He's very intelligent and mature. Seems to know what he has to do to succeed and knows exactly how he'd fit in with DeMarcus. I also think his frame isn't that small. To me it looks like he can add 15-20 lbs of solid muscle over the next few years, which would go a long way towards helping him hold position.
He's very intelligent and mature. Seems to know what he has to do to succeed and knows exactly how he'd fit in with DeMarcus. I also think his frame isn't that small. To me it looks like he can add 15-20 lbs of solid muscle over the next few years, which would go a long way towards helping him hold position.
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Dime Dropper
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Lillard's workout video.
Hard to tell in a solo workout, but he looks like he has a lot of potential to me. If we weren't so set at the guard positions I'd be taking a long, hard look at him.
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KingsFanSince85
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All the Henson skeptics need to consider the fact that Serge Ibaka seems to hold his own defensively at around 230-235 pounds. Henson is about 15-20 pounds from that same weight. Unlike college, he will be able to focus most of his time with a professional trainer. It wouldn't be unrealistic to expect Henson to be near 230 in a year or so. Take Hassan Whiteside for example. Anybody remember how rail.thin he was coming into his rookie season? By his 2nd season, he had filled out nicely.
Bricklayer
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That's a BIG 20lbs at the NBA level.
And as mentioned, the real concern with Henson is that he has ALREADY gained 30lbs just to reach his current weight. So he's already filled out as much as his body naturally would. Now ideally you want him to go out and gain at least another 20lbs...not only is that hard weigth for a guy to gain who's already filed out, but at a certian point so much weight gain tacked onto a frame which once held 185lbs is going to start having atheltic effects on him. He's got to do it. But a long armed jumping spider at 185 might begin to look a little less dynamic at 235.
SacTownKid
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Then again it's probably safe to say that Henson is more likely to gain 20 pounds than Drummond is going to lose 20. I think Henson at 220-225 will be fine. Spider is a spider and those limbs will give shorter stronger players fits.
Bricklayer
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When a guy chalks in at 7.5% body fat he doesn't HAVE to lose 20lbs. When he chalks in at 7.5% body fat, weighs 275lbs, and scores near the top in both vertical leap and lane agility, you are talking about a monster physically.
Length is great, but its irrelevant if you can be ignored physically, at least on the ball. Henson should be effective as an off the ball shotblocker, which is our biggest need. But if he can't guard Blake Griffin without getting pulverized and/or into foul trouble trying to body him, then that still throws all those tough assignments on DeMarcus.
KingsFanSince85
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But you're missing my point. Henson gained that weight while going to school full time and being limited in the amount of practice time he could spend on basketball and working out. Now being in a position to do essentially nothing else but workout, it will make it more likely to add some additional mass.
Furthermore, you glossed over and ignored the comparison to Hassan Whiteside, who, while a tad taller, had nearly an identical build coming out of college. While Henson may not be able to duplicate exactly what Hassan has done, he should be able to accomplish something similar. If he works on his lower body, it's really not that hard to add 10-15 pounds over 12-18 months. It's not like his legs are super solid already, so he definitely has the potential for adding some mass regardless of what he's gained already.
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most teams dont have two tanks so put cousins in him. his timing and defensive iq are amazing very talented guy
SacTownKid
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That could potentially be a before and after picture. Get anyone in the weight room and with the proper diet and training they can get ripped. Both of those guys have small frames and skinny waists. I think if Whiteside can do what he did in one summer, Henson could do the same in time.
Uk kings fan
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why did we get him in as a solo not part of a group???
oh and im really looking forward to drumonds workout today i tink he is going to shine
oh and im really looking forward to drumonds workout today i tink he is going to shine
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Bricklayer
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Titty twister!
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Bricklayer
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Our guy:
And actually I say that as somebody who would take a long look at Henson if we were picking #7 onward. He fits our need profile. But...BUT...
And actually I say that as somebody who would take a long look at Henson if we were picking #7 onward. He fits our need profile. But...BUT...
Boogie-havoc
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Here he is pre-draft at 18-19 years old.
And Whiteside has and had wider shoulders and a wider frame then Henson. And he STILL gets tossed around even now when he's "buffed".
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Bricklayer
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I thought of posting a homoerotic picture warning, but did not want to offend.
And yes, David West has always been a burly dude, although truth is that as anybody who has ever played sports, worked out heavily, or gotten in a fight can tell you, natural girth and bulk >> beach muscles when it comes to strength. I just picked guys who would look impressive, not the huge near 7 foot brigade or the human wrecking balls of the Fortson/Reggie Evans class (except for Blair).
Siranthony
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So far I like Zeller's work out the best. Good height, quickness and appears to be a team player with the pick and rolls etc.
Drummond work out to come
Drummond work out to come
Frye has always had a bunch of natural talent but been soft though
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Dime Dropper
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To be fair, that's completely irrelevant. Frye is the definition of soft. There's no doubt Henson would get pushed around at his current weight, but even in his current state he'd fair 10x better defensively than Frye. So the example isn't really relevant.
beb0p
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Henson will probably do better defensively than Frye but that's also irrelevant, what I was speaking to is his strength (or lack thereof) and you can't hide strength (or lack thereof). A weak skinny guy is a weak skinny guy, he can make up for it somewhat with tenacity and shot blocking but he's still a weak skinny guy that get pushed around.
The point here is that Cousin's frontcourt partner should be the one to check the other team's best post player, that guy should be able to defend one v one without needing help at double teaming (as much as possible), to save Cousins from having to do everything himself; in addition to the shot blocking and the hustle - and we all know this. But sometimes it's easy to talk oneself into liking a player. A team that double teams all the time is a bad defensive team, and if Henson loses that power battle in the lane and requires double team help on a consistent basis then the Kings is still a bad defensive team... with better shotblocking.
Speaking of soft, no player ever wakes up on game day and say, "Today, I'm going to get outmuscled and shy away from contact." The soft guys are soft because they can't match up physically. Frye is too skinny, Hawes too weak and unathletic, Perry Jones is too skinny, etc. 9 out of 10 soft big guys are soft because of their frame. There are exceptions (Eddy Curry) but for the most part, soft guys don't want to be soft, they just can't it. Give Spencer Hawes Demarcus Cousins' body and he'll love to bang down low. Henson is not soft, by an means, but with that body, he'll have to battle above and beyond most other "soft" guys are capable of in order to make up for his deficiency. In order words, he'll have to be mentally tougher and willing to absorb more punishment than other guys who bear similar body types to his.
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Dime Dropper
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Terrence Jones workout. Not too much footage of him but makes a nice pass and you can see how big/athletic he is.
The thing I like about him is that he is not a tweener in the usual way. He has the size, body, strength and athleticism to play PF (and defend them very well), but some of the skills to play SF. That's a good combination. Usually tweeners have SF bodies with PF skills, which doesn't often work. Jones can pretty much play either position effectively if it turns out he has the lateral quickness to guard SFs. His shot is weird, but apart from that he has a very well rounded game. Very good defender, passer, ball-handler, rebounder etc.. Not a lot that he can't do.
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I disagree with your last paragraph. I think "softness" is very much a preference. Look at Tayshaun Prince. He's skinny as hell but he's a tough, long defender. No one ever calls him "soft". Hawes on the other hand was quoted saying that he didn't see himself as a guy who'd bang around inside and do all the dirty work. Getting outmuscled is one thing, but this "soft" label is most often used when talking about guys who very much have the physical and athletic skills/size to be aggressive and physical, but instead choose to shy away from contact. How many times has Pau Gasol been called soft, only to come back for a few games playing very aggressively and being more physical? If you're weak you're weak - and people will call you out for being weak, and say you need to put on mass etc. Being soft is a completely different thing.
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