SacTownKid
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Maybe the Raps would do that as a why not. Brown should be in the discussion of MLE options this summer and because of that you don't want to necessarily give value for him.
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Maybe the Raps would do that as a why not. Brown should be in the discussion of MLE options this summer and because of that you don't want to necessarily give value for him.
twslam07
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@The_Jamal this one is for you since you were interested in Martin/Richards. 
Kevin Huerter
Jordan McLaughlin
Doug McDermott
2nd Round Picks
for
Grant Williams
Cody Martin
Nick Richards
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Martin / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles / Williams
C - Sabonis / Richards / Len
Kevin Huerter
Jordan McLaughlin
Doug McDermott
2nd Round Picks
for
Grant Williams
Cody Martin
Nick Richards
- We swap Huerter for Martin. He’s not the shooter Huerter is, but he might be better at most everything else on the floor. He at least can help defend some wings & forwards coming off the bench
- Richards gives us some another decent C option. We let Len and Richards battle it out in practice and see who Christie feels most comfortable with going with as the main backup C
- Grant Williams is out the rest of the year, but he’s actually the most attractive long term piece in this trade for me. He’d be a great 3&D forward to have in our rotation and can bring some of that “nasty” we need. His contract is pretty affordable as well and his age lines up with our core players.
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Martin / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles / Williams
C - Sabonis / Richards / Len
I like it. Covers our weaknesses and doesn’t include Fox, Devin, or Keon.@The_Jamal this one is for you since you were interested in Martin/Richards.
Kevin Huerter
Jordan McLaughlin
Doug McDermott
2nd Round Picks
for
Grant Williams
Cody Martin
Nick Richards
PG - Fox / Monk
- We swap Huerter for Martin. He’s not the shooter Huerter is, but he might be better at most everything else on the floor. He at least can help defend some wings & forwards coming off the bench
- Richards gives us some another decent C option. We let Len and Richards battle it out in practice and see who Christie feels most comfortable with going with as the main backup C
- Grant Williams is out the rest of the year, but he’s actually the most attractive long term piece in this trade for me. He’d be a great 3&D forward to have in our rotation and can bring some of that “nasty” we need. His contract is pretty affordable as well and his age lines up with our core players.
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Martin / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles / Williams
C - Sabonis / Richards / Len
Also a bit intrigued by Richards, good size, a Kentucky player, and his numbers look pretty good for a backup center.
Would Charlotte consider it?
twslam07
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If we make that side deal with ATL to free up our 2nds (lower the protection on our 1st round pick that they own in exchange for our 2026 & 2027 2nds back), we could attach at most 3 2nd round picks to entice them. Perhaps that’s enough to get them to bite considering they have the 4th worst record this year and shouldn’t really be prioritizing playing time for 26-29 year old vets.
I wouldn’t agree that this covers our weaknesses “fully.” We’re still missing a big, long, athletic PF who can defend and hit the 3, but it could help close some gaps here and there.
We just need to get to the bottom of whether Fox really wants to be here or not.
I haven’t seen enough of him to really say, but could Isaac Jones possibly become that player. He has a 7’3 wingspan gets up and down the floor pretty quick from what i’ve seen. Not sure about his shooting range, but hey just a thought.
Joshyjosh31
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Grant Williams is out for the year
twslam07
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That was already in my post. I think it’s safe to say you didn’t read it fully.
iowamcnabb
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He is intriguing as a backup big for sure. Hes probably more of a long term piece. Full year in Gleague, a full summer to work on his game and then see what he looked like in training camp.
twslam07
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The shooting is a very big question mark with him. If he can be a threat from outside, he probably can become a very coveted archetype that many teams would like to start at PF. If he can’t develop his shot, he’ll probably top out as a backup C.
From what I have seen, he doesn’t seem to move as fluidly as I would want out of that type of PF (although I need to watch him more to confirm that), so even if that shot does develop, I still have some questions about him guarding PFs. His size/length and the way he moves reminds me of Naz Reid earlier in his career, but Naz really worked on his body to be able to play PF more, and he moves much better now.
iowamcnabb
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Caccia
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I would like to see Sacramento trade Kevin Huerter to Charlotte for Nic Richards and Cody Martin. That way you clear the logjam at guard and get both a wing and a backup center, exactly what the team needs right now.
Monte McNair needs to move sooner rather than later with teams like the Hornets and Wizards holding fire sales.
Monte McNair needs to move sooner rather than later with teams like the Hornets and Wizards holding fire sales.
Sounds nice but what is Charlotte getting out of this deal? second round picks? Huerter isn't going to turn their team around.
Caccia
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They are trying to tank. Huerter is a guy who can stay on and help with the rebuild...next year.
I get that but tanking teams usually want better picks if they are adding salary.
Joshyjosh31
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Rumor is the centers available including Richardson will go for second round picks, considering we only have one second we’re probably getting whichever center is left. I don’t see why Huerter is such a bad contract with one year left he’s an asset for teams next year
SacTownKid
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His contract isn't an anchor, but this is a league now where if you're only real true skill is shooting the value isn't what it was a few seasons ago. Teams want more. Every GM is all in on the 3 levels of scoring trip. 3 and D guys have value, but even those role types are coming back to earth when teams see the production top out at that 9-10 ppg 3-4 rpg area.
I don't think he's a bad contract but he needs to go to a team that needs his skillset. Hornets won't be in the playoffs this year or next so why do they need a 17-18m dollar out of form sharpshooter in exchange for two serviceable players that combined make nearly 5m dollars less? And Charlotte may actually have a bigger "guard problem" than we have looking at their roster.
twslam07
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It looks like some MIN fans would be interested in this deal...
Malik Monk
For
Jaden McDaniels
It's obviously heartbreaking to lose Monk, but I think we'd have to jump at the chance to add a 24 year old who could be an ideal fit next to Sabonis long term (big, long, athletic PF that can defend at a high level, protect the rim, and space the floor). I think we could easily be a top 10 defensive team since a lot of our minutes would be going to Fox, Ellis, Carter, Murray, and McDaniels, and we'd still have Sabonis as an elite rebounder helping to end possessions.
Malik Monk
For
Jaden McDaniels
It's obviously heartbreaking to lose Monk, but I think we'd have to jump at the chance to add a 24 year old who could be an ideal fit next to Sabonis long term (big, long, athletic PF that can defend at a high level, protect the rim, and space the floor). I think we could easily be a top 10 defensive team since a lot of our minutes would be going to Fox, Ellis, Carter, Murray, and McDaniels, and we'd still have Sabonis as an elite rebounder helping to end possessions.
@The_Jamal this one is for you since you were interested in Martin/Richards.
Kevin Huerter
Jordan McLaughlin
Doug McDermott
2nd Round Picks
for
Grant Williams
Cody Martin
Nick Richards
PG - Fox / Monk
- We swap Huerter for Martin. He’s not the shooter Huerter is, but he might be better at most everything else on the floor. He at least can help defend some wings & forwards coming off the bench
- Richards gives us some another decent C option. We let Len and Richards battle it out in practice and see who Christie feels most comfortable with going with as the main backup C
- Grant Williams is out the rest of the year, but he’s actually the most attractive long term piece in this trade for me. He’d be a great 3&D forward to have in our rotation and can bring some of that “nasty” we need. His contract is pretty affordable as well and his age lines up with our core players.
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Martin / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles / Williams
C - Sabonis / Richards / Len
I mean, now you're speaking my language. You and I have been on the Grant Williams/PJ Washington train for like 4 years now and the Martin twins are right there too for me in terms of undervalued role players.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Were we ever mostly in? I sure wasn't
Wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Joshyjosh31
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Interesting idea. First instinct just from a pure value perspective is this is pretty fair; talking about 2 guys roughly around top 60 in the league. Jaden is signed long-term as well, for another 4 seasons, so you don't have to worry about losing him anytime soon.
And yeah, Keon/DC-Keegan-McDaniels would be like a top 3 defense. About as insane of 2-3-4 that you could put around a star lead ball-handler and a star big.
How worried are you about the declining offense? He's still "passable" but only barely this season. Whereas 2 years ago, it looked like he could take a leap to being a 12-15 PPG guy.
I think i'd want Fox inked to the extension before pulling this deal. But something I'd probably say yes to in the off-season. Would hurt to see Monk go though.
twslam07
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You’re right. We should go after Kuzma instead…
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Telemachus
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No!You’re right. We should go after Kuzma instead…
twslam07
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I'm not super concerned with his offense considering he's 24 and still has time to strengthen that part of his game further. But let's put it this way...if he was shooting 37%-40% from 3, there's absolutely no way MIN even considers this trade. The calculated "gamble" for us is that he can improve his shot over time. If he does, we essentially have the perfect complement to Sabonis at PF who is on the same timeline as our core. But if he doesn't improve his shot, he is still an excellent defender with the versatility to guard 1-4. That's still a valuable rotational player.
A MIN fan did have this to say about McDaniels' offense when I was discussing this trade with him...
In addition, he's started to play more "4" on offense and his body control/length/touch around the rim along with a pretty solid short midrange jumper with his length allow him to be more impactful offensively. The reason I think this is a fair deal is McDaniels has continued to be inconsistent as a shooter following a slow second half after showing some potential to be high 30s 3 point shooter. I think there's still hope to develop his shot, but on the Wolves roster with Gobert and to a lesser extent Randle the fit isn't great for him on the Wolves. On a team that plays faster, with more spread floors, and with a more offensively talented big compared to Gobert (not even necessarily a great shooter), McDaniels would play a lot better offensively.
Joshyjosh31
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You’re right. We should go after Kuzma instead…
Ya I’d take Kuzma over McDaniels if it means giving up Monk. Monk is the heart of this team and turned down extra millions to come back to a team that never started him. McDaniels didn’t look good in the playoffs and Dallas exposed him he’s a non factor on offense even when he’s left open like the Dallas series. I don’t even think his defense is that elite anymore any time I see a wolves game he’s getting cooked. The drop off on offense is to drastic to justify losing monk and what future players would think we’ll never have a player take a discount.
I’ll take my chances on Kuzma buying in and getting him for Huerter and second rounders
chief bromden
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I want Kuzma no where near this team unless the Kings are playing against him. That dude is all about the lifestyle, and there is nothing wrong with that. His best role is tank commander.
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