Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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CarlosBob
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What PJ contract could make the Hornets not matching it? I'd be good with a light overpayment for him or Hart. PJ will fit great next to Sabonis as stretch PF with a good defensive game and may also cover the C backup role next to Lyles or Vezenkov. And he is still only 24.
twslam07
All-Star
Alright I'm making good on my "wild/interesting" trade ideas pledge earlier in the thread since many options seem to be removed from the table.
To start, I still think it's interesting that the Holmes deal is not official which made me think that this is the piece that might be part of something larger. I'm curious if McNair is holding off on making it official in an effort to widen his cap space even more. Let me explain...
However, Holmes makes $12.046 mil which means we could reroute him in a trade for up to $16.057 mil. This effectively means we could sign someone for $20.3 mil and trade for someone around $16.1 mil giving us $36.4 mil in "cap space." I'm wondering if McNair is exploring this option 1st to see if there is a trade out there which allows him to extend that cap space a bit more. If not, they may just finalize the deal as is and work with the $30+ mil in cap space.
So I started to think of some scenarios that involved expanding the Holmes trade and then using the rest of the cap space to sign someone, this is one of the scenarios I landed on...
Let's assume the trade is not finalized when FA begins, we'd technically have $20.3 mil in cap space. However, I'm wondering if a S&T for Cam Johnson makes sense. I was thinking it could be:
BKN Gets: Davion Mitchell
SAC Gets: Cameron Johnson
With Mitchell's salary going out, we'd be able to offer Johnson a max 1st year salary of $25.370 mil which would be $109.347 mil over 4 years. That might be a price point that BKN wouldn't love matching and receiving Mitchell gives them enough incentive to let him go.
This would now effectively bring our cap space to $0 with the following players technically under contract:
PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Huerter / Dozier
SF - Johnson / Edwards
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Holmes
We then could expand the trade with Dallas to be something like this:
DAL Gets: Richaun Holmes & #24
DAL Gives: Fake DAL 2nd
Why for DAL? Dallas gets a great PnR C to pair with Irving/Luka but more importantly another cheap, young asset to hopefully develop into an impactful player.
SAC Gets: OG Anunoby & Fake DAL 2nd
SAC Gives: Richaun Holmes, PJ Dozier, Kessler Edwards, #24, 2026-28 SAC 1st (Unprotected), & 2028-30 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
Why for SAC? Anunoby gives the Kings an elite & versatile defender who is an excellent fit at PF next to Sabonis.
TOR Gets: OG Anunoby
TOR Gives: PJ Dozier, Kessler Edwards, 2026-28 SAC 1st (Unprotected), & 2028-30 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
Why for TOR? Toronto avoids losing Anunoby for nothing in FA next year (especially if VanVleet is on his way out) and pick up 2 distant unprotected 1sts which could yield a great player. They also take on no long term salary and get immediate cap relief.
This trade allows the Kings to actually go over the cap since Anunoby makes more than Holmes, Dozier, & Edwards (hence why the Holmes trade may not be finalized). The Kings would then use Lyles' cap hold to resign him, use the room exception on Sasha, sign our two 2nd round picks, and fill out the rest of the roster with minimum contracts. We'd be left with the following roster going into this season:
PG - Fox / Monk / FA Min
SG - Johnson / Jones / FA Min
SF - Murray / Huerter / FA Min
PF - Anunoby / Sasha / Slawson
C - Sabonis / Lyles / FA Min
This scenario obviously means we're not giving Sabonis a raise and then extending him long term, but I'm not very concerned with him resigning next year. We have a great culture, we have a great coach, he likes living here/in Napa, he seems to really like his teammates, we're coming off a 3rd seed season and hopefully trending upwards, he was just named to an All NBA team here, and we can offer him the most money next offseason.
Coming back to the roster I assembled above, the only question mark for me is Johnson at SG since he's mainly been used at SF (and small ball PF). However, his physical profile was essentially the same as Klay Thompson's...
So it actually looks like Johnson has the same length as Thompson but is a bit quicker and can jump higher. Couple that with Johnson being a solid & smart defender, and I think it could work.
Johnson, Murray, & Anunoby would be great size, shooting, rebounding, and defense on the wings. Our shooting in general would just be insane. Huerter, Johnson, Murray, & Sasha could all be in a 3PT contest one day (some already have) and Monk, Anunoby, & Lyles are no slouches in that department either. It would be quite the weapon to be able to throw out 3 of Huerter, Johnson, Murray, & Sasha next Fox & Sabonis.
Just thinking through the minute rotation, I think it could be something like...
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Johnson (20) / Monk (12) / Huerter (16)
SF - Murray (30) / Huerter (10) / Johnson (8)
PF - Anunoby (30) / Sasha (14) / Lyles (4)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles (14)
Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 30 min
Anunoby = 30 min
Johnson = 28 min
Monk = 26 min
Huerter = 26 min
Lyles = 18 min
Sasha = 14 min
To start, I still think it's interesting that the Holmes deal is not official which made me think that this is the piece that might be part of something larger. I'm curious if McNair is holding off on making it official in an effort to widen his cap space even more. Let me explain...
- With Fox, Sabonis, Huerter, Holmes, Monk, Murray, Mitchell, Dozier, Edwards, & Lyles (cap hold) on the books, the Kings have $20.3 mil in cap space.
- With Fox, Sabonis, Huerter, Monk, Murray, Mitchell, Dozier, Edwards, & Lyles (cap hold) on the books, the Kings have $31.2 mil in cap space.
However, Holmes makes $12.046 mil which means we could reroute him in a trade for up to $16.057 mil. This effectively means we could sign someone for $20.3 mil and trade for someone around $16.1 mil giving us $36.4 mil in "cap space." I'm wondering if McNair is exploring this option 1st to see if there is a trade out there which allows him to extend that cap space a bit more. If not, they may just finalize the deal as is and work with the $30+ mil in cap space.
So I started to think of some scenarios that involved expanding the Holmes trade and then using the rest of the cap space to sign someone, this is one of the scenarios I landed on...
Let's assume the trade is not finalized when FA begins, we'd technically have $20.3 mil in cap space. However, I'm wondering if a S&T for Cam Johnson makes sense. I was thinking it could be:
BKN Gets: Davion Mitchell
SAC Gets: Cameron Johnson
With Mitchell's salary going out, we'd be able to offer Johnson a max 1st year salary of $25.370 mil which would be $109.347 mil over 4 years. That might be a price point that BKN wouldn't love matching and receiving Mitchell gives them enough incentive to let him go.
This would now effectively bring our cap space to $0 with the following players technically under contract:
PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Huerter / Dozier
SF - Johnson / Edwards
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Holmes
We then could expand the trade with Dallas to be something like this:
DAL Gets: Richaun Holmes & #24
DAL Gives: Fake DAL 2nd
Why for DAL? Dallas gets a great PnR C to pair with Irving/Luka but more importantly another cheap, young asset to hopefully develop into an impactful player.
SAC Gets: OG Anunoby & Fake DAL 2nd
SAC Gives: Richaun Holmes, PJ Dozier, Kessler Edwards, #24, 2026-28 SAC 1st (Unprotected), & 2028-30 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
Why for SAC? Anunoby gives the Kings an elite & versatile defender who is an excellent fit at PF next to Sabonis.
TOR Gets: OG Anunoby
TOR Gives: PJ Dozier, Kessler Edwards, 2026-28 SAC 1st (Unprotected), & 2028-30 SAC 1st (Unprotected)
Why for TOR? Toronto avoids losing Anunoby for nothing in FA next year (especially if VanVleet is on his way out) and pick up 2 distant unprotected 1sts which could yield a great player. They also take on no long term salary and get immediate cap relief.
This trade allows the Kings to actually go over the cap since Anunoby makes more than Holmes, Dozier, & Edwards (hence why the Holmes trade may not be finalized). The Kings would then use Lyles' cap hold to resign him, use the room exception on Sasha, sign our two 2nd round picks, and fill out the rest of the roster with minimum contracts. We'd be left with the following roster going into this season:
PG - Fox / Monk / FA Min
SG - Johnson / Jones / FA Min
SF - Murray / Huerter / FA Min
PF - Anunoby / Sasha / Slawson
C - Sabonis / Lyles / FA Min
This scenario obviously means we're not giving Sabonis a raise and then extending him long term, but I'm not very concerned with him resigning next year. We have a great culture, we have a great coach, he likes living here/in Napa, he seems to really like his teammates, we're coming off a 3rd seed season and hopefully trending upwards, he was just named to an All NBA team here, and we can offer him the most money next offseason.
Coming back to the roster I assembled above, the only question mark for me is Johnson at SG since he's mainly been used at SF (and small ball PF). However, his physical profile was essentially the same as Klay Thompson's...
So it actually looks like Johnson has the same length as Thompson but is a bit quicker and can jump higher. Couple that with Johnson being a solid & smart defender, and I think it could work.
Johnson, Murray, & Anunoby would be great size, shooting, rebounding, and defense on the wings. Our shooting in general would just be insane. Huerter, Johnson, Murray, & Sasha could all be in a 3PT contest one day (some already have) and Monk, Anunoby, & Lyles are no slouches in that department either. It would be quite the weapon to be able to throw out 3 of Huerter, Johnson, Murray, & Sasha next Fox & Sabonis.
Just thinking through the minute rotation, I think it could be something like...
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Johnson (20) / Monk (12) / Huerter (16)
SF - Murray (30) / Huerter (10) / Johnson (8)
PF - Anunoby (30) / Sasha (14) / Lyles (4)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles (14)
Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 30 min
Anunoby = 30 min
Johnson = 28 min
Monk = 26 min
Huerter = 26 min
Lyles = 18 min
Sasha = 14 min
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No, Damien and KC basically spent the entire show on Tuesday talking about Kyle Kuzma. They realized this a few hours in and decided they didnt want to disrespect HB then talked about him a good bit on Wednesday.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I think we would all be in if that happened. As far as why the deal isn’t final, allegedly the Mavs and suns were talking about a trade for Ayton and to match salaries they would need to include Holmes. Hoping that’s not the reason though
I believe the reason the deal hasn't happened yet is that OKC is sitting on a ton of dead money in '22-'23 (Kemba and others) and against all odds are actually over the salary cap, so they can't absorb the Bertans contract into cap space until we roll over into the '23-'24 season. Since the Bertans trade creates the TPE that Holmes is being sent into, the deal can't happen until July 1.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Bill Simmons, who it should always be noted is a complete moron who knows nothing except random moments from the 1985 Boston Celtics, has us getting Kuzma and Bruce Brown in free agency, which would be a winning offseason for me.This was my cheat sheet for last Sunday’s “Guess the team/money” free agency pod that me and Russillo did. We discussed all of these on the pod. pic.twitter.com/bmehnU3zwI
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) June 29, 2023
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I like this list and this order too, not big on Oubre, add in Prince somewhere in the middle. I think if he's a Monte and Brown guy we'd have a real good shot at landing him.
Took me a minute to land here, but I think what I would do is go get Grant Williams and Bruce Brown. Tough, excellent defenders that don't need the ball in their hands on offense and directly address our biggest concerns on defense. Keeps our spacing elite too and gives us all kinds of versatlity with LU options. Also puts a much bigger offensive emphasis on Keegan developing into the 3rd option.
I just don't see how the Celtics can afford a big contract on Williams with the Jaylen Brown extension coming up and what they just paid Porzingis. 4/60 should get them to run away. Similar idea with Bruce Brown too; offer above the MLE, knock out those teams and just make it impossible to turn that much money down from returning to DEN.
Fox || Davion
Huerter || Monk
Keegan || Brown
Williams || Vezenkov
Sabonis || Lyles
Queta, Jones, Edwards, 3rd vet min PG, vet min round out the bench. Slawson/Ellis take 2 of the 2-way slots.
The Kings just have to go get good defenders and stop thinking internal improvement can be enough. The beauty of Brown and Williams is they vastly raise the bar on defense, but they give you excellent role player value through shooting/passing etc on offense.
I just don't see how the Celtics can afford a big contract on Williams with the Jaylen Brown extension coming up and what they just paid Porzingis. 4/60 should get them to run away. Similar idea with Bruce Brown too; offer above the MLE, knock out those teams and just make it impossible to turn that much money down from returning to DEN.
Fox || Davion
Huerter || Monk
Keegan || Brown
Williams || Vezenkov
Sabonis || Lyles
Queta, Jones, Edwards, 3rd vet min PG, vet min round out the bench. Slawson/Ellis take 2 of the 2-way slots.
The Kings just have to go get good defenders and stop thinking internal improvement can be enough. The beauty of Brown and Williams is they vastly raise the bar on defense, but they give you excellent role player value through shooting/passing etc on offense.
The Clippers are trying to find a trade for Norman Powell as they attempt to avoid the second apron, per @TheSteinLine.
— Erik Slater (@erikslater_) June 29, 2023
Powell (30) is under contract at $19M annually for the next three seasons. He averaged 17.0 PPG on 48/40/81 shooting splits last season.
Oh?
Hmm. Not like super ideal, but I'd prefer this to a massive Kuzma/Grant deal.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
A league executive said this about an Immanuel Quickley extension:
— KnicksMuse (@KnicksMuse) June 29, 2023
“He is going to want nine figures… and that’s for four years. I can’t say the Knicks will go that high but they might have to. He is not a guy you want to send to restricted free agency.”
(via @SeanDeveney) pic.twitter.com/ojlJdPqBTC
Ohh nooooo, looks like you can't pay Josh Hart
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
The Knicks paying Quickly 9 figures to be Brunson’s back-up for the next half decade would be insane.
I'm starting to think this is the best outcome.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Well, that escalated Quickley.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
i mean, if that’s all it’ll take just throw him an escalating 13 million dollar per year dealThe Lakers are increasingly confident they can sign free agent Bruce Brown Jr. for the non-taxpayer midlevel exception starting at a projected $12.4 million, sources tell @jovanbuha.
— The Athletic (@TheAthletic) June 29, 2023
More intel on NBA free agency: https://t.co/BOoS9dRhJC pic.twitter.com/GyQArm1s0q
Lakers getting Brown for the MLE while we pay Kuzma $28 mil/season would indeed be the worst timeline
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
The new CBA requires each team to spend 90% of the salary cap ($122.4M) by the first day of the regular season.
— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) June 29, 2023
Here are 5 teams that need to spend in free agency:
🏀Houston: $50.5M
🏀San Antonio: $26M
🏀Sacramento: $24.5M
🏀Indiana: $18.5M
🏀Detroit: $14.5M
Stan.Helsing
G-League
Hahaha, 9 figures? Quickley is a nice lil player and defends well but I feel he is not worth more than the NTMLE, maybe $15M per year maximum. Cause he is not good enough of a primary play-maker at PG... and too small and not good enough of a 3-point shooter at SG. So he is best used in the 2nd unit. This kind of 6'3" combo-guard works best when you have a Doncic or Jokic as a large primary play-maker, and he still needs to improve his 3-point shot (or take and make more of them)... not when Jalen Brunson (6'0") is your PG.
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Folsomkingsfan
Starter
Agreed. It would be a massive misstep on our front office to have this happen. But I also take that article with a grain of salt. All it says is some guy at the Athletics says the Lakers are confident they can sign Brown. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen but this is the time of year where the only articles we get are about how the Lakers are linked to every free agent.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Amick said it was at least pretty likely that Brown returns to Denver. Brown said himself this decision isn’t all about money. Going to the Lakers would be lame
CarlosBob
G-League
And bring back Barnes to Sac and also get any of those players is really affordable? I don't think it is unless we don't do the Domas movement to renegotiate his contract, HB accepts a huge discount to come back to Sacramento and we renounce to the Lyles rights.
If the Kings do the Sabonis and Lyles expected movements we are only going to have around 25M left, aren't we? And to sign any of G. Williams, PJ Washington, J. Hart we should pay them more than the MLE to beat other teams offers.
I would be happy with something like PJ Washington 3/20M and then a SF or C backup piece for 2+1/5M (Jalen McDaniels, Taurean Prince, Cam Reddish, Mason Plumlee, Thomas Bryant, Moritz Wagner, Goga Bitadze or Drew Eubanks).
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
The Kings reportedly will take a big swing when free agency begins tomorrow https://t.co/6wc5HeTCb5
— Kings on NBCS (@NBCSKings) June 29, 2023
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Hmmm maybe all the Kuzma chatter was just smoke... lets hope so.
I think the biggest out with Middleton is the years. I imagine the Bucks want to line up his extension when Giannis is able to be a FA. If we come in hot with like a 4/130 type deal.. Then we're talking about a serious cash difference if the Bucks don't want to commit to Middleton for more than 2 years.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
.@wojespn with the latest on Brook Lopez and Khris Middleton:
— Evan Sidery (@esidery) June 29, 2023
- A lot of concern from Milwaukee on the Rockets potentially offering Lopez a huge contract. Houston is the “biggest threat” to sign Lopez away.
- Middleton expected to work on new long-term deal with the Bucks. pic.twitter.com/mQcMd2PKS0
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
If only we had some 6'6"-6'9" wings who could fill in
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