Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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Im not saying Brown is a perfect move but as a cheap value move he could be a good option. A defensive trio of Ellis/Carter/Brown would be great off the bench. And yes I’d be comfortable with Brown guarding most Fs however there is an archetype that would still give the Kings trouble that would still need to be addressed and that’s the bigger, physical forwards that the team has no answer for - Lebron, Zion, Giannis, Randle, Aaron Gordon, Banchero
How about this framework?
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Orlando Robinson
for
Robert Williams III
Matisse Thybulle
Rayan Rupert
We only have one 2nd rounder (2029 which is pretty far off) to trade which I don’t think is enough value to get POR to bite, but I also think sending out a 1st is overpaying. Wondering if a pick swap makes more sense to balance things out.
If we assume we figured out a fair incentive to add to that framework, we’d be left with the following roster…
PG - Fox / Monk / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Carter / Rupert
SF - DeRozan / Thybulle / McDermott
PF - Murray / Lyles / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Williams / Len
That’s starting to look like a pretty deep team, and maybe we’d go with a minutes rotation of…
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (24) / Carter (10) / Monk (14)
SF - DeRozan (24) / Carter (8) / Thybulle (16)
PF - Murray (28) / Lyles (16) / DeRozan (4)
C - Sabonis (34) / Williams (14)
Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Monk = 28 min
DeRozan = 28 min
Murray = 28 min
Ellis = 24 min
Carter = 18 min
Thybulle = 16 min
Lyles = 16 min
Williams = 14 min
That would be quite a change from Mike Brown riding Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Murray, & Sabonis for 36-40 mpg and allow our guys to really go all out in the minutes they have.
It’s all worth mentioning that the defensive upgrade improvement we would see would be quite significant as we’d essentially be replacing Huerter & Len in the rotation with Carter, Thybulle, and Williams. And on top of that, you’d be able to scale back the heavy minutes for Monk, DeRozan, Sabonis, etc. and give them to our well rested elite/great defenders.
I’m sure Christie would salivate at the idea of having Fox, Ellis, Carter, Thybulle, Murray, and Williams to use as defensive weapons, and it would help him establish the culture that he knows and loves.
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Orlando Robinson
for
Robert Williams III
Matisse Thybulle
Rayan Rupert
We only have one 2nd rounder (2029 which is pretty far off) to trade which I don’t think is enough value to get POR to bite, but I also think sending out a 1st is overpaying. Wondering if a pick swap makes more sense to balance things out.
If we assume we figured out a fair incentive to add to that framework, we’d be left with the following roster…
PG - Fox / Monk / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Carter / Rupert
SF - DeRozan / Thybulle / McDermott
PF - Murray / Lyles / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Williams / Len
That’s starting to look like a pretty deep team, and maybe we’d go with a minutes rotation of…
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (24) / Carter (10) / Monk (14)
SF - DeRozan (24) / Carter (8) / Thybulle (16)
PF - Murray (28) / Lyles (16) / DeRozan (4)
C - Sabonis (34) / Williams (14)
Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Monk = 28 min
DeRozan = 28 min
Murray = 28 min
Ellis = 24 min
Carter = 18 min
Thybulle = 16 min
Lyles = 16 min
Williams = 14 min
That would be quite a change from Mike Brown riding Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Murray, & Sabonis for 36-40 mpg and allow our guys to really go all out in the minutes they have.
It’s all worth mentioning that the defensive upgrade improvement we would see would be quite significant as we’d essentially be replacing Huerter & Len in the rotation with Carter, Thybulle, and Williams. And on top of that, you’d be able to scale back the heavy minutes for Monk, DeRozan, Sabonis, etc. and give them to our well rested elite/great defenders.
I’m sure Christie would salivate at the idea of having Fox, Ellis, Carter, Thybulle, Murray, and Williams to use as defensive weapons, and it would help him establish the culture that he knows and loves.
I wonder if we could lift the restrictions on those second rounders to Atlanta in exchange for dropping the first round protection to top 8? They stand a better chance of getting a first for Huerter and now we have 3 second rounders to move.
As far as the trade you proposed, I would consider something like that but I wonder what the plan is regarding minutes. As it stands we have the following players locked into minutes assuming Kev is moved:
Fox
Monk
Deebo
Keegan
Sabonis
Keon
Lyles
Carter
That only leaves one guy that is going to play consistently. So what is the best use of that 9th spot in the rotation?
The last several games we have been getting Beam Team Lyles. If that’s the version we are getting he helps us more than a lot of the potential additions we have discussed over the last couple weeks. I dunno what the answer is.
Agreed. Hence my current fascination with the Kings adding Deni Avdija, as he seems able to play defense on that type of player.
And then if we were to take the goal one step further, i.e., for the Kings to have a chance of beating the primary contenders (as those teams are currently constructed)... I think a team of certain specific Forwards (shown in this post) would give the Kings the best shot of doing that.
And then if we were to take the goal one step further, i.e., for the Kings to have a chance of beating the primary contenders (as those teams are currently constructed)... I think a team of certain specific Forwards (shown in this post) would give the Kings the best shot of doing that.
We can't outbid them given they own like half the picks in every draft until Halley's Comet returns. And what are they going to do with those picks? They have to burn them in trade because they can't pick them all, rosters are only 15. They're poised to straight-up overpay for anybody they want, anytime they want, and they can't be too patient. If they want Cam, they get Cam. Nothing we can do.
I don't think Richards and Cody Martin move the needle at all for the Kings. I like Richards a little more than Len but they are basically the same. Backup big that can't shoot. Cody Martin can't shoot. Kings need to prioritize shooting around Sabonis. I think John Collins makes perfect sense for this team.
Yeah that's a good question. It's Ainge so the cost is probably too high for my liking. Two weeks ago I would have said Huerter/Lyles and a draft pick but if Lyles can keep up his play then Lyles is probably close enough to Collins to say let's just roll with Lyles. My concern there would be Lyles has historically been inconsistent, and when he gets consistent play going an injury tends to find him.
At this point, the Kings will have to seriously consider trading a guard to reshape the roster a bit. I would just rather give up more than I would want for someone like Collins than anything at all for Richards/Martin. I watched so much Charlotte last year that I just can't stand how mediocre Richards is. I'd rather just roll Len. A lot of words there to say "I don't know" lol thanks for your patience
At this point, the Kings will have to seriously consider trading a guard to reshape the roster a bit. I would just rather give up more than I would want for someone like Collins than anything at all for Richards/Martin. I watched so much Charlotte last year that I just can't stand how mediocre Richards is. I'd rather just roll Len. A lot of words there to say "I don't know" lol thanks for your patience
I love how Lyles has been playing lately but what worries me is his inconsistency. I do like how Collins can slide to the 5 a bit more than Lyles, especially on the defensive end, but I agree that with the way Lyles has played the last week or so, I really like what he brings to this Kings team. I hope he can keep it up
Richards looks good on paper/highlights but when you actually watch him he's got stone hands and always out of position on D, there 3rd string C when he got playing time looked way better imo. Richards is a big who would be good on a minimum deal but not whatever he's making. He's a more athletic and even dumber/worse defending Jason Thompson
I watched the whole Jazz/ Heat game to get a better feel for John Collins. His shot looks back. He tries hard on defense, looks better guarding on the perimeter than in the post imo. Decent at getting to the rim and the line. Seems really connected to his teammates, lot of love there. I’m guessing they just keep him but I wouldn’t mind him on the kings. Not for a first rounder though.
My thoughts too.
With Fox’s future somewhat up in the air I don’t want to include Devin or Keon in any trades and most would likely require one of them.
Our glut of guards isn’t optimal but Huerter is the one that could use a change so if his contract could somehow land us Val I’m on board.
Zach Collins was actually my pick at 10 in 2017. He had a great tournament so thought that would be a good way to go after drafting Fox. In hindsight, regardless of trading back there were better choices but I still wouldn’t mind him today.
With Fox’s future somewhat up in the air I don’t want to include Devin or Keon in any trades and most would likely require one of them.
Our glut of guards isn’t optimal but Huerter is the one that could use a change so if his contract could somehow land us Val I’m on board.
Zach Collins was actually my pick at 10 in 2017. He had a great tournament so thought that would be a good way to go after drafting Fox. In hindsight, regardless of trading back there were better choices but I still wouldn’t mind him today.