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One thing with Cam Johnson is he has some “unlikely incentives” in his contract that will put his cap number at 27 mi. Not sure if that means we had to get closer to matching that number in any trade or not but it might have an impact on our luxury tax situation. My guess is he ends up in OKC. They are at the point of not having enough room for prospects. I think they have 3 picks in this draft and are getting to the point where they need to either consolidate or trade picks for future picks which is harder to do.
 
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Let's mortgage our future to make sure we suck now and in the future.
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there is a middle ground. Trading a protected first round pick is a pretty far cry from mortgaging our future. It seems like the majority of fans want size, length, defense and shooting and we have to trade something of value to get it. IMO if you trade say a 28 first rounder for a Cam Johnson type and everything still falls apart you will have your ‘25 first rounder and then you can trade Fox for a couple young players and picks and then do a soft reset in ‘26. The pick is top ten protected and we probably would be bad all the youth so we would likely get another good pick that year. Or who knows, maybe Devin is outstanding, Keegan returns to normal and we have identity as a scrappy defensive squad that surprises. Where teams get is trouble is trading 3 picks and a bunch of swaps and then they have no control over their future.
 
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I posted this in the other thread about the Spurs being interested in Fox. What do y'all think?

Rockets get: Fox.
Kings get: Jabari Smith Jr, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore. (Definitely do not want FVV.)

I think Jabari, Reed and Cam would be a nice haul... along with any picks that the Kings FO can get out of the Rockets. The Rockets probably wouldn't do a deal that stripped them of more players (like Jalen or Amen), as that would defeat the purpose behind them trading for Fox.

- Monk/Reed, DeRozan/Ellis, Murray/Whitmore, Jabari/Lyles, Sabonis/Len

I can also see the Kings doing much better with this squad above than with the current squad... with more players in their correct positions and more quality depth... and the future looking brighter too; as Jabari, Murray, Reed, Whitmore and Ellis fully hit their stride.
 
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Stan.Helsing said:
I posted this in the other thread about the Spurs being interested in Fox. What do y'all think?

Rockets get: Fox.
Kings get: Jabari Smith Jr, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore. (Definitely do not want FVV.)

I think Jabari, Reed and Cam would be a nice haul... along with any picks that the Kings FO can get out of the Rockets. The Rockets probably wouldn't do a deal that stripped them of more players (like Jalen or Amen), as that would defeat the purpose behind them trading for Fox.

- Monk/Reed, DeRozan/Ellis, Murray/Whitmore, Jabari/Lyles, Sabonis/Len

I can also see the Kings doing much better with this squad above than with the current squad... with more players in their correct positions and more quality depth... and the future looking brighter too; as Jabari, Murray, Reed, Whitmore and Ellis fully hit their stride.
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honestly it’s a win win for both. Rockets get the scorer they need. Kings really improve length and defense
 
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Stan.Helsing said:
I posted this in the other thread about the Spurs being interested in Fox. What do y'all think?

Rockets get: Fox.
Kings get: Jabari Smith Jr, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore. (Definitely do not want FVV.)

I think Jabari, Reed and Cam would be a nice haul... along with any picks that the Kings FO can get out of the Rockets. The Rockets probably wouldn't do a deal that stripped them of more players (like Jalen or Amen), as that would defeat the purpose behind them trading for Fox.

- Monk/Reed, DeRozan/Ellis, Murray/Whitmore, Jabari/Lyles, Sabonis/Len

I can also see the Kings doing much better with this squad above than with the current squad... with more players in their correct positions and more quality depth... and the future looking brighter too; as Jabari, Murray, Reed, Whitmore and Ellis fully hit their stride.
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Probably a bigger haul than we can expect. We probably wouldn’t get both Smith and Whitmore. Honestly. I’d accept Smith, Sheppard, salary filler, and picks without Whitmore. Though i wouldn’t be happy with Whitmore being the flagship piece coming back as I’ve seen some Rockets fans mocks suggesting. However, We’re playing with fire getting greedy and can easily end up with a Chris Paul/draft picks centric package if we alienate Houston. Chris Paul is an undersized guard after all and ya know Monte.

Whatever happens Kings fans should expect Domas is here for the long ride so whoever fits with him should remain top of mind. Smith(and Sheppard) would be awesome

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People are acting like the nets would want red valet instead of dLo
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The matching player hardly matters. The 3 second rounders was what they traded DFS for. They probably would’ve preferred Huerter. Both expire at the same time and unlike Huerter…Dlo can unfortunately use his once a week blow up performance to give Brooklyn a few more Wosses than they want.

Kings could’ve had him if they hadn’t burned all their second rounders getting rid of players because they’re cheap and bad at drafting…or if Monte wasn’t allergic to players like DFS.

Honestly, I’m not even sure I want Monte doing the refurbishing of this team. When you decide a GM’s team is worth renovating to the point of trading its best player. You’ve decided that GM has failed.

Vivek shouldn’t have let him Farhan Zaidi “blame Gabe Kapler” his way into being the one making the moves that could determine the course of the franchise for the next few years.

I’ve completely soured on him. I did think he was a genius a couple of years ago but he’s out of ideas.

MONTE’s team stinks and we fired MONTE’s coach. Don’t let him command the shakeup or rebuild when at this point we can deduce he doesn’t in the slightest bit value length and athleticism…and he doesn’t care for the draft and young players at all.
 
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^^I am pretty sure D-Lo is an ender and Huerter has one more year. In fact I think I saw it was expected the Nets buy him out.
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You’re right.

I thought Russell re-signed for 2 this past offseason but no.

So it’s a better deal than the Kings could’ve offered because our best expiring is Trey at only 8 million and Huerter being a better tank commander doesn’t sound as good with an extra year.

Kings might’ve had to throw in a fourth second rounder or “cash considerations”.

But I have a feeling Vivek isnt a cash considerations guy…taking into account the reasons that the Kings once healthy stock of second round picks has been depleted for the express purpose of getting rid of non rotation players to stay below the luxury tax.
 
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iowamcnabb said:
it’s possible but we could have had Lavine if Monte wanted him last offseason. I tend to think it’s crap info.

Brewing up any trades? I’m starting to wonder if we need to consider moving Kevin for a similar contract at a different position. Not necessarily a better player but someone that needs shooting and has extra bigs. A trade that doesn’t require additional picks. Probably someone that has at least one year left on their deal so that we still have the salary asset for a future trade. Gotta make playing time for Devin

We probably need to hold on to Lyles because he is likely better than the other options out there at that money.
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I was just starting to look at this exact thing yesterday morning (moving Huerter for a similar contract at a different position).

I was thinking a trade with the framework of Kevin Huerter for Zach Collins could make some sense for us. That trade would…
  • Allows us to give all of our guard minutes to Fox, Monk, Ellis, & Carter
  • Upgrade our backup C as he’s someone who can protect the rim, space the floor a bit, and pass the ball well for a C
  • Still gives us a sizeable contract to use in a bigger trade next year (e.g., Markkanen) since he has an additional year left on his contract (just like Huerter)

It’s not an earth shattering trade or anything but might be a decent move to help clear up the log jam and rebalance the roster.

I think the main issue though is that I have Huerter worth more than Collins, but I don’t really see why San Antonio would be in the business of including 2nd round picks to get a player of Huerter’s age and caliber, but maybe San Antonio is okay paying that price to help the team compete this year since they’re currently 9th in the west and 2 games back from the 6th seed.
 
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twslam07 said:
I was just starting to look at this exact thing yesterday morning (moving Huerter for a similar contract at a different position).

I was thinking a trade with the framework of Kevin Huerter for Zach Collins could make some sense for us. That trade would…
  • Allows us to give all of our guard minutes to Fox, Monk, Ellis, & Carter
  • Upgrade our backup C as he’s someone who can protect the rim, space the floor a bit, and pass the ball well for a C
  • Still gives us a sizeable contract to use in a bigger trade next year (e.g., Markkanen) since he has an additional year left on his contract (just like Huerter)

It’s not an earth shattering trade or anything but might be a decent move to help clear up the log jam and rebalance the roster.

I think the main issue though is that I have Huerter worth more than Collins, but I don’t really see why San Antonio would be in the business of including 2nd round picks to get a player of Huerter’s age and caliber, but maybe San Antonio is okay paying that price to help the team compete this year since they’re currently 9th in the west and 2 games back from the 6th seed.
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Oh, I like this a lot. Zach Collins has been on my radar for years and he's basically developed into a "Domas-lite" kind of player the last few years. His Ast rate is super elite for a big man, so you could basically run the same sets with him as you do Domas. They're pretty clearly moving away from him on the Spurs as a rotation piece and he'll really secure the back-up C slot for us. I also think he's someone you can find minutes for to play with Domas too in certain match-ups.
 
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The_Jamal said:
Oh, I like this a lot. Zach Collins has been on my radar for years and he's basically developed into a "Domas-lite" kind of player the last few years. His Ast rate is super elite for a big man, so you could basically run the same sets with him as you do Domas. They're pretty clearly moving away from him on the Spurs as a rotation piece and he'll really secure the back-up C slot for us. I also think he's someone you can find minutes for to play with Domas too in certain match-ups.
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Yeah I like the fit. I just think Huerter is the more valuable asset in a vacuum and I have a hard time believing San Antonio would want to part with 2nds to bring Huerter there. They seem to be in the business of collecting assets/picks…not using them (setting “star” trades aside).
 
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Joshyjosh31 said:
Kuzma has asked for a trade a Huerter for Kuzma swap balances out the roster while upgrading in talent.
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One thing is for sure…it would be interesting to see the shot distribution and how they share the ball with all of these high volume scorers (Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Kuzma, and Sabonis). We may be the only team in history to put that many high usage players on the same team…and that’s not necessarily a good thing.
 
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twslam07 said:
Yeah I like the fit. I just think Huerter is the more valuable asset in a vacuum and I have a hard time believing San Antonio would want to part with 2nds to bring Huerter there. They seem to be in the business of collecting assets/picks…not using them (setting “star” trades aside).
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I do too, but Collins is a very good player and our back-up C has been a giant hole on this team since Domas joined up. We just haven't had a guy who can consistently play 15+ MPG behind him, leading Domas to have one of the biggest minutes workloads over the last few years. We've honestly been pretty lucky Domas hasn't had some sort of massive injury because of his minutes workload.

And like you said, it opens up Carter to immediately come in and take a rotation spot. A lot of positives here that make up for the us losing on "value"
 
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twslam07 said:
One thing is for sure…it would be interesting to see the shot distribution and how they share the ball with all of these high volume scorers (Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Kuzma, and Sabonis). We may be the only team in history to put that many high usage players on the same team…and that’s not necessarily a good thing.
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With monk starting our bench is several lacking in scoring and someone who can create we can’t survive with Lyle’s as our leading bench scorer Kuzma would help with that.

I think our bench would be a strength if it was
Ellis, Carter, Kuzma, and Lyle’s and with a Kuzma/lyles frontcourt we could reduce Sabonis and Keegan’s minutes down to 30-33 per game
 
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Joshyjosh31 said:
Kuzma has asked for a trade a Huerter for Kuzma swap balances out the roster while upgrading in talent.
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Him asking does what though? They've been trying to trade him for what 2 years now? lol. That's almost like Huerter demanding a trade? So. Yeah, if the Wiz are willing to settle then why not, but it appears these first round pick F's are finding a pretty empty market. That said, I'm still not sure that Kuz isn't a player that breaks the team even further. Having both him and Monk on the same team is going to win you some games and lose you some others. No in between.
 
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twslam07 said:
One thing is for sure…it would be interesting to see the shot distribution and how they share the ball with all of these high volume scorers (Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Kuzma, and Sabonis). We may be the only team in history to put that many high usage players on the same team…and that’s not necessarily a good thing.
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Yeah, it's horrible potentially. More than pure size the Kings obviously need defense. Kuz has had moments on defense, but not in years. The only time he was a positive in BPM was... never and his defensive numbers have never even been in the +.
 
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Joshyjosh31 said:
With monk starting our bench is several lacking in scoring and someone who can create we can’t survive with Lyle’s as our leading bench scorer Kuzma would help with that.

I think our bench would be a strength if it was
Ellis, Carter, Kuzma, and Lyle’s and with a Kuzma/lyles frontcourt we could reduce Sabonis and Keegan’s minutes down to 30-33 per game
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Well I’m not in favor of Monk starting so there’s that. There’s other ways to improve the bench that don’t have really questionable fits.

Secondly, the fit is really lacking with Kuzma. These were last year’s USG%s for our main players…
  • Fox = 30.0% (12th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • DeRozan = 25.2% (49th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Monk = 24.7% (53rd in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Sabonis = 22.0% (88th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
…and then you have Kuzma…
  • Kuzma = 29.5% (17th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)

The 4 Kings players above have seen a reduction in their usage this year since we integrated DeRozan…
  • Fox = 29.6% (16th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • DeRozan = 23.4% (64th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Monk = 21.7% (88th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Sabonis = 21.9% (79th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
Now imagine trying to integrate yet another guy whose usage was essentially on par with Fox last year? Something’s got to give at that point.



Now having said all of that, if we’re being compensated to take Kuzma, I’ll listen, but I don’t really see how the trade makes us better in the short run in that scenario. Kuzma hasn’t been a good shooter or good defender, and he’s an inefficient scorer who would take away usage from other players who are more efficient. Other than improving our size, I don’t really see how he contributes to winning with the current roster in place.
 
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twslam07 said:
Well I’m not in favor of Monk starting so there’s that. There’s other ways to improve the bench that don’t have really questionable fits.

Secondly, the fit is really lacking with Kuzma. These were last year’s USG%s for our main players…
  • Fox = 30.0% (12th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • DeRozan = 25.2% (49th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Monk = 24.7% (53rd in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Sabonis = 22.0% (88th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
…and then you have Kuzma…
  • Kuzma = 29.5% (17th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)

The 4 Kings players above have seen a reduction in their usage this year since we integrated DeRozan…
  • Fox = 29.6% (16th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • DeRozan = 23.4% (64th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Monk = 21.7% (88th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
  • Sabonis = 21.9% (79th in the league for players averaging more than 25 mpg)
Now imagine trying to integrate yet another guy whose usage was essentially on par with Fox last year? Something’s got to give at that point.



Now having said all of that, if we’re being compensated to take Kuzma, I’ll listen, but I don’t really see how the trade makes us better in the short run in that scenario. Kuzma hasn’t been a good shooter or good defender, and he’s an inefficient scorer who would take away usage from other players who are more efficient. Other than improving our size, I don’t really see how he contributes to winning with the current roster in place.
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I actually won’t be surprised at all if Kuzma helps his next team. In fact, I’d almost be more surprised if he doesn’t. He just doesn’t have the right mentality for this team. We need dawgs. We need basketball junkies.

I’m nervous that Monte includes Devin in a deal. I’m really high on him as a culture changer and to me that would be a big mistake to include him in a deal unless its a bigger deal.
 
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iowamcnabb said:
I actually won’t be surprised at all if Kuzma helps his next team. In fact, I’d almost be more surprised if he doesn’t. He just doesn’t have the right mentality for this team. We need dawgs. We need basketball junkies.

I’m nervous that Monte includes Devin in a deal. I’m really high on him as a culture changer and to keep that would be a big mistake to include him in a deal unless its a bigger deal.
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He'd probably include Keon before Carter. Would be a disappointment either way
 
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If we did this maybe the Clippers could send out the second rounders since they are getting value for expirings. Kelly does have a smaller salary which could be a problem in future trades as a matching asset but we will have more room under the apron so we could have additional flexibility.

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