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League executives say the Utah Jazz's excitement over young big men Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors has them shopping Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. ... While Boston is not shopping Rajon Rondo, it would be open to trading him in the right deal, sources say. The Celtics feel they need more scoring to take the load off Paul Pierce.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33566/chris-paul-and-new-yorks-hopes


Just a blurb from the end of a Chris Broussard article. As we all know, maybe 1 in 100 of these type blurbs ever bear fruit. No idea quite what we would do about either of those anyway. We are already heavily stocked with talented young bigs, big bigs, likely adding or retaining another one in free agency, so its hard to see what we would want with two good but not great high priced vets like Milsap and Jefferson. And Rondo...rumors back in '09 had us trying to get Rondo in exhcange for the pick that became Reke, but now that we have Reke is hard to imagine a worse offensive fit than another guy who can't shoot and needs the ball. We would be physically nasty, potentially defensively great, but all 5 members of the opposing defense would be in danger of getting defesnive 3 second calls they'd all be packed back in there so deep. And that's even assuming we could make an offer that would entice Boston. They think Pierce needs more offensive help...well Reke and Cousins are obviously non-ideas, Thornton is a FA, and that leaves...Jimmer? A rookie? Really? + John Salmons? Think he might be tradeable again when the 6 month waiting period expires right around the start of the season. Ditto Hickson I guess too. Just not a clear fit for either side.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33566/chris-paul-and-new-yorks-hopes


Just a blurb from the end of a Chris Broussard article. As we all know, maybe 1 in 100 of these type blurbs ever bear fruit. No idea quite what we would do about either of those anyway. We are already heavily stocked with talented young bigs, big bigs, likely adding or retaining another one in free agency, so its hard to see what we would want with two good but not great high priced vets like Milsap and Jefferson. And Rondo...rumors back in '09 had us trying to get Rondo in exhcange for the pick that became Reke, but now that we have Reke is hard to imagine a worse offensive fit than another guy who can't shoot and needs the ball. We would be physically nasty, potentially defensively great, but all 5 members of the opposing defense would be in danger of getting defesnive 3 second calls they'd all be packed back in there so deep. And that's even assuming we could make an offer that would entice Boston. They think Pierce needs more offensive help...well Reke and Cousins are obviously non-ideas, Thornton is a FA, and that leaves...Jimmer? A rookie? Really? + John Salmons? Think he might be tradeable again when the 6 month waiting period expires right around the start of the season. Ditto Hickson I guess too. Just not a clear fit for either side.

If we go after Rondo, Tyreke is obviously included. Rondo and Cousins would make a great playmaking pair. We probably only make a deal like this if we don't believe Tyreke will ever blossom into an elite playmaker and defender.
 
Also interesting read about Chris Paul and NOH. It's his last year, he's not going to resign, and they have only five players under contract total. Contraction? Paul wants to be a Knick, but they have nothing to offer, and would have to wait until the offseason to make a run at him. He wouldn't mind being in LA, as a Clipper...hmmm. Imagine if the Kings moved to Anaheim this year; would Paul consider becoming a King with their young talent, ample cap room (Dwight Howard next year), and young players NOH would trade for?
 
Looks like we didn't even make nene top 6. Sucks to be us. Well we could end up w Travis outlaw
 
Looks like we didn't even make nene top 6. Sucks to be us. Well we could end up w Travis outlaw


Care to elaborate instead of just throwing something out there without a source or any additional information?


EDIT: Found a report (hoopshype) stating that teams that have shown interest in Nene are GS, New Jersey, Indiana, Miami, Dallas and Houston. Nowhere does it say that those are the teams Nene is interested in. It does say that he wants out of Denver.

Money talks. Nene will look at any offers that pay him enough when it comes down to it.
 
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I'd take Rondo over Evans. No question about it.

With the Celtics being my 'home' team and the Kings being the team I really follow, I can say I've watched at least 80% of every game these two guys have ever played in.

I'm luke warm on Tyreke. If I didn't want him to be good because he was on the Kings, I think I would have a pretty low opinion of him. I'd say there is about a 20% chance he becomes the player we want him to be ... a player better than Rajon Rondo.

As I've said before, I don't like how he handles himself off the court. With his club promotions and his trainer/brothers company .. I just don't need that stuff. And honestly, right now he isn't a team player. We want him to develope into one, but who can say that they know that will happen? And the reality of having a team in Sacramento means that you need to go after guys. If you want a multiple time All-Star poing guard your going to need to trade for him, because odds are he wont come here on his own.

I don't think Boston would do Rondo for Evans. They need a big, luckily we have a few of those. Between Thompson and Hickson they can have their pick .. I'd do either one.

Give me Rondo for Evans and Hickson/Thompson any day.

Before anyone thinks we are giving up too much, remember this; we need to sign players. We need to add salary. That is a fact. Trading one of Hickson or Thompson can be looked at as addition by subtraction depending on who we sign. We could potentially end up with one of Nene/Gasol/Chandler along with Rondo when its all said and done.

I believe Rondo is the kind of player that can attract other players to the team. This version of Tyreke Evans is the opposite. Are you telling me Nene is going to want to come to a team that has Evans, Salmons, Cousins, Jimmer, and Thornton?

Rondo is the ultimate playmaker. He will literally make everyone on the team better. It would be such a ballsy move .. I'd love it.
 
Also interesting read about Chris Paul and NOH. It's his last year, he's not going to resign, and they have only five players under contract total. Contraction? Paul wants to be a Knick, but they have nothing to offer, and would have to wait until the offseason to make a run at him. He wouldn't mind being in LA, as a Clipper...hmmm. Imagine if the Kings moved to Anaheim this year; would Paul consider becoming a King with their young talent, ample cap room (Dwight Howard next year), and young players NOH would trade for?

Hmmm! Just exactly where do you live?:D Contraction isn't going to happen. It was tweeted this morning that a new owner is in the immediate works, and that their about to sign a new lease on the arena.

The Lakers also want Paul, but the odds are slim. I doubt that Paul would sign for the mid-level, and under the new agreement, in order for the Lakers to trade for him, and then sign him to an extension using the Bird rule, they would have to aquire him by Jan 1st. Thats because of the new CBA, that says there's a 6 month waiting period required. Here's the zinger. The rules on extensions change when you move into the 2013 season, and that occurs on July 1st. Under those rules, the longest contract the Lakers could give Paul is 3 yr's.

That means Paul would be better off waiting till he's a freeagent and then signing with a team that can give a bigger salary (not just a mid-level) and for at least one more year. Paul might want to play for the Lakers, but he's way too young to be sacrificing money just to get a ring.
 
That means Paul would be better off waiting till he's a freeagent and then signing with a team that can give a bigger salary (not just a mid-level) and for at least one more year.

Probably exactly what is going to happen and it'll be the Knicks since they'll have the cap room to max or near max another player next summer. Just about the only thing that New York could offer to New Orleans via trade sooner would be Landry Fields and maybe some crappy 2nd or far future picks...and they may do it just to get something.
 
Probably exactly what is going to happen and it'll be the Knicks since they'll have the cap room to max or near max another player next summer. Just about the only thing that New York could offer to New Orleans via trade sooner would be Landry Fields and maybe some crappy 2nd or far future picks...and they may do it just to get something.

There is an article on ESPN about CP3 signing with the Knicks. He would lose over $40 million dollars to sign as a free agent with the Knicks vs re-signing with the Hornets. And that is if the Knicks got rid of everyone, but Melo and Amare first.
 
There is an article on ESPN about CP3 signing with the Knicks. He would lose over $40 million dollars to sign as a free agent with the Knicks vs re-signing with the Hornets. And that is if the Knicks got rid of everyone, but Melo and Amare first.

That's probably overstated although I understand why they'll say that. It would still be likely they work out a sign and trade at the end which would reduce that number and give Paul the extra year. The Knicks already have essentially no one signed next summer other than Melo and Amare. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
Just Balkman which they have been saying they will amnesty
 
That's probably overstated although I understand why they'll say that. It would still be likely they work out a sign and trade at the end which would reduce that number and give Paul the extra year. The Knicks already have essentially no one signed next summer other than Melo and Amare. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
Just Balkman which they have been saying they will amnesty

Plus this years and next years draft picks.

It's based on the CBA's max contracts and raises.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7292666/nba-chris-paul-knicks-highly-unlikely

Paul will make $16.4 million this year and would be opting out of $17.7 million in 2011-12. Should he opt out next summer, a new five-year contract with the Hornets would start at $17.177 million and pay him as much as $22.3 million by the end -- a total of $98.8 million. In comparison, over the life of the maximum allowable four-year deal with the Knicks, he could get only $57.6 million.

So if Paul really wants to go to New York, he can go -- as long as he's willing to give up, at a minimum, forty million dollars to do it. (The same, incidentally, applies for Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.)

The Knicks dont have enough for a trade compared to other teams.
 
Section 101 - I don't dispute any of that if there is not a sign and trade. However, there very well could be not because New York has the best assets, but if Paul only wants to go there and forces the Hornet's hand.
 
I'd take Rondo over Evans. No question about it.

With the Celtics being my 'home' team and the Kings being the team I really follow, I can say I've watched at least 80% of every game these two guys have ever played in.

I'm luke warm on Tyreke. If I didn't want him to be good because he was on the Kings, I think I would have a pretty low opinion of him. I'd say there is about a 20% chance he becomes the player we want him to be ... a player better than Rajon Rondo.

As I've said before, I don't like how he handles himself off the court. With his club promotions and his trainer/brothers company .. I just don't need that stuff. And honestly, right now he isn't a team player. We want him to develope into one, but who can say that they know that will happen? And the reality of having a team in Sacramento means that you need to go after guys. If you want a multiple time All-Star poing guard your going to need to trade for him, because odds are he wont come here on his own.

I don't think Boston would do Rondo for Evans. They need a big, luckily we have a few of those. Between Thompson and Hickson they can have their pick .. I'd do either one.

Give me Rondo for Evans and Hickson/Thompson any day.

Before anyone thinks we are giving up too much, remember this; we need to sign players. We need to add salary. That is a fact. Trading one of Hickson or Thompson can be looked at as addition by subtraction depending on who we sign. We could potentially end up with one of Nene/Gasol/Chandler along with Rondo when its all said and done.

I believe Rondo is the kind of player that can attract other players to the team. This version of Tyreke Evans is the opposite. Are you telling me Nene is going to want to come to a team that has Evans, Salmons, Cousins, Jimmer, and Thornton?

Rondo is the ultimate playmaker. He will literally make everyone on the team better. It would be such a ballsy move .. I'd love it.

I respectfully disagree! First, I don't have the same awe of Rondo that you have. Lets not forget that Rondo's rise to fame coincided with the luxury of having Garnett, Allen and Pierce on the team. It makes me wonder just how good he would be on a team with lesser players. And thats not to say that the Kings don't have talent. And, thats not to say that I wouldn't like to find out. But I'm not about to trade Tyreke and one of our bigs to take a looksee.

I'm a believer in building through the draft, and then adding the right pieces to fill in the gaps. The Thunder are a textbook example of how it works. But it takes a commitment. And that means you stop looking at the green grass over the fence, and thinking its a different and better flavor. Tryeke is just entering his third year, and I think we can all agree that his second year wasn't much of a growth year due to injuries. I'd like to have a better picture of the finished product before shipping him off.

Rondo just finished his 5th season, and I don't see any dramatic improvements taking place in the future. His assist totals have gone up every year, but the rest of his stats have remained basicly the same. He still can't shoot from the outside, and after 5 years you should start to see some resemblence of improvement. Lets take a looks at a comparison of the two players in their first two years.

Rondo:
1st year: 6.4 PPG - 48.8% FGP - 20.7% 3PP - 3.7 RPG - 3.8 APG - 1.6 SPG
2nd year: 10.6 PPG - 49.2%FGP - 26.3% 3PP - 4.2 RPG - 5.1 APG - 1.7 SPG

Evans:
1st year: 20.1 PPG - 45.8% FGP - 25.5% 3PP - 5.3 RPG - 5.8 APG - 1.5 SPG
2nd year: 17.8 PPG - 40.9% FGP - 29.1% 3PP - 4.8 RPG - 5.6 APG - 1.5 SPG

Now I'll be the first to admit that stats never tell the whole picture, but they do give you a net result of a players abilities. I'll also admit that Evans played more minutes than Rondo those first two years, but Rondo played the first year without Garnett and Allen on the team. A team that despite Pierce, was not a good team. A team that won only 24 games. Tyreke was on an equally bad team, but managed to log more minutes. Because he earned them. Because he was better his rookie year than Rondo was! If memory serves, he won ROY!!!!

Your now comparing Rondo, who has played 5 seasons to Evans who has played two, and was injuried for a large part of the second season. You said that Rondo is the kind of player that will make everyone better. I don't disagree, but you can't make a bad player dramaticly better. Its a lot easier to make Garnett, Allen and Pierce look better than kicking the ball out to a SG that only shoots 31% from the three. That won't get you a lot of assists.

My intent is not to denigrate Rondo. I just wouldn't trade Evans for him. Evans is 6'6" with a large wingspan. He can essentially play 3 positions and guard 3 positions. He'll outscore and out rebound Rondo every game, and is almost as good a defender as Rondo. Rondo is 6'1" and essentially plays one position, and can on occasion, guard 2 positions depending on the opposition.

So if you make that trade, your giving up scoring, rebounding, and versitality for a few more assists. And thats assuming that Evans makes no improvements in the future, which is unlikely. And, your giving up one third of our current 3 man rotation. By the way, after 5 years in the league, Rondo shot 23.3% from the three last season. No thanks!
 
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Section 101 - I don't dispute any of that if there is not a sign and trade. However, there very well could be not because New York has the best assets, but if Paul only wants to go there and forces the Hornet's hand.



Who is it that owns the Hornets? The league owns the Hornets!!!! At least at the moment. This is the same league that just went through a 5 month lockout trying to put rules in place to prevent or at least limit what your proposing. So do you think that Paul is going to force the Leagues hand? Paul makes 16 mil a year, and the Knicks are at 60 mil in payroll, putting them over the cap. So any trade has to have matching salaries. Just whom on the Knicks would you propose trading. Landry Fields? He makes less than 1 mil a year. Chancey Billups? Would you actually trade Paul for Billups?

The Hornets hold the cards here, not Paul. They don't have to trade him, unless he's willing to go to the team that can give them the best deal. If not, he can walk and lose a ton of money. The Lakers have a much better chance of trading for Paul than the Knicks. At least they have assets to trade. The Knicks have nothing other than Melo and Amare.
 
Who is it that owns the Hornets? The league owns the Hornets!!!! At least at the moment. This is the same league that just went through a 5 month lockout trying to put rules in place to prevent or at least limit what your proposing. So do you think that Paul is going to force the Leagues hand? Paul makes 16 mil a year, and the Knicks are at 60 mil in payroll, putting them over the cap. So any trade has to have matching salaries. Just whom on the Knicks would you propose trading. Landry Fields? He makes less than 1 mil a year. Chancey Billups? Would you actually trade Paul for Billups?

The Hornets hold the cards here, not Paul. They don't have to trade him, unless he's willing to go to the team that can give them the best deal. If not, he can walk and lose a ton of money. The Lakers have a much better chance of trading for Paul than the Knicks. At least they have assets to trade. The Knicks have nothing other than Melo and Amare.

Also of note, the Knicks have already traded 2 of their #1 draft picks. The next one they can trade isnt until 2016.
 
Dont understand why the Cs would even look at shopping Rondo. Hes the future after the vets move on. Sure they need some scoring after pierce but they can get it without giving away Rondo
 
I respectfully disagree! First, I don't have the same awe of Rondo that you have. Lets not forget that Rondo's rise to fame coincided with the luxury of having Garnett, Allen and Pierce on the team. It makes me wonder just how good he would be on a team with lesser players. And thats not to say that the Kings don't have talent. And, thats not to say that I wouldn't like to find out. But I'm not about to trade Tyreke and one of our bigs to take a looksee.

I'm a believer in building through the draft, and then adding the right pieces to fill in the gaps. The Thunder are a textbook example of how it works. But it takes a commitment. And that means you stop looking at the green grass over the fence, and thinking its a different and better flavor. Tryeke is just entering his third year, and I think we can all agree that his second year wasn't much of a growth year due to injuries. I'd like to have a better picture of the finished product before shipping him off.

Rondo just finished his 5th season, and I don't see any dramatic improvements taking place in the future. His assist totals have gone up every year, but the rest of his stats have remained basicly the same. He still can't shoot from the outside, and after 5 years you should start to see some resemblence of improvement. Lets take a looks at a comparison of the two players in their first two years.

Rondo:
1st year: 6.4 PPG - 48.8% FGP - 20.7% 3PP - 3.7 RPG - 3.8 APG - 1.6 SPG
2nd year: 10.6 PPG - 49.2%FGP - 26.3% 3PP - 4.2 RPG - 5.1 APG - 1.7 SPG

Evans:
1st year: 20.1 PPG - 45.8% FGP - 25.5% 3PP - 5.3 RPG - 5.8 APG - 1.5 SPG
2nd year: 17.8 PPG - 40.9% FGP - 29.1% 3PP - 4.8 RPG - 5.6 APG - 1.5 SPG

Now I'll be the first to admit that stats never tell the whole picture, but they do give you a net result of a players abilities. I'll also admit that Evans played more minutes than Rondo those first two years, but Rondo played the first year without Garnett and Allen on the team. A team that despite Pierce, was not a good team. A team that won only 24 games. Tyreke was on an equally bad team, but managed to log more minutes. Because he earned them. Because he was better his rookie year than Rondo was! If memory serves, he won ROY!!!!

Your now comparing Rondo, who has played 5 seasons to Evans who has played two, and was injuried for a large part of the second season. You said that Rondo is the kind of player that will make everyone better. I don't disagree, but you can't make a bad player dramaticly better. Its a lot easier to make Garnett, Allen and Pierce look better than kicking the ball out to a SG that only shoots 31% from the three. That won't get you a lot of assists.

My intent is not to denigrate Rondo. I just wouldn't trade Evans for him. Evans is 6'6" with a large wingspan. He can essentially play 3 positions and guard 3 positions. He'll outscore and out rebound Rondo every game, and is almost as good a defender as Rondo. Rondo is 6'1" and essentially plays one position, and can on occasion, guard 2 positions depending on the opposition.

So if you make that trade, your giving up scoring, rebounding, and versitality for a few more assists. And thats assuming that Evans makes no improvements in the future, which is unlikely. And, your giving up one third of our current 3 man rotation. By the way, after 5 years in the league, Rondo shot 23.3% from the three last season. No thanks!

I'm not going to disagree with most of your points, but I will add some that I think you left out.

Rondo is a bad shooter who doesn't shoot. He knows who he is. If you want to call that maturity (which you can do!) thats fine ... but who is to say Tyreke Evans will mature? plenty of young players do not. Tyreke is a bad jump shooter who shoots jumpers... big difference.

Evans FG% and FGA are not where I want them to be ... not on a team with Jimmer, Cousins, Salmons, and Thornton. Thats why I like Rondo as a fit on this team. He hovers around .500 FG% and takes under 10 shots a game. Rondo shot 0.6 3's a game last year .. Evans shot 2.6

Versatility can be good .. it can also be bad. Rondo is a point guard and a point guard only. I won't knock him for that. He does what he does and he does it well. Tyreke is, like you said, very versatile. Its too ealy in his career to know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know if he can play every postion at a high level or just play every position. I have seen too many NBA players fail because they never find their position on the floor. Evans will never be a failure .. hes too good for that, but when I say failure in this particular argument I'm talking about not being as good as Rondo.

Of course, I have nothing to base what I'm saying on ... it is just my opinion, but I see no reason why Rondo wouldn't be Rondo on this team. Thornton is very similar to a guy like Allen or Rip Hamilton or even Kevin Martin .. great at running off of screens and playing with great cardio to wear down his opponent. He isnt the shooter those guys are, but I think he will improve in that area. He'd be good with Rondo .. same goes for Jimmer.

Cousins would benefit from Rondo. He is nowhere near KG on defense, but on offense Cousins is a force .. a force with great hands. Rondo is a great passer who loves to feed the post. He can play with cousins.

The real argument here is how much you or I believe in Evans. You are right, there is no way I can say how good or bad Evans will be after he has been in the league for 5 years like Rondo has .. but that is the major point in most trades. Anytime you trade a young player with potential for a proven veteran you have to make that call.

And just quickly on trading one of our bigs .. I think JT and Hickson are very similar players. And having watched JT much more than JJ over the years I may actually prefer JT. That being said, one of those guys would mean a lot more to Boston then they would to us. And I'd take Dalembert over either one of them.

I still think Dalembert is as good as gone, but if you make the Rondo trade I proposed, and then went out and did everything you could to land Chandler or Dalembert ... That's a playoff team right there. A dangerous one too.

Rondo/Jimmer
Thornton/Garcia
Salmons/Garcia
Cousins/JT
Dalembert/JT

We could do much, much worse.

Damn, this is fun. I missed basketball.
 
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I'm not going to disagree with most of your points, but I will add some that I think you left out.

Rondo is a bad shooter who doesn't shoot. He knows who he is. If you want to call that maturity (which you can do!) thats fine ... but who is to say Tyreke Evans will mature? plenty of young players do not. Tyreke is a bad jump shooter who shoots jumpers... big difference.

Evans FG% and FGA are not where I want them to be ... not on a team with Jimmer, Cousins, Salmons, and Thornton. Thats why I like Rondo as a fit on this team. He hovers around .500 FG% and takes under 10 shots a game. Rondo shot 0.6 3's a game last year .. Evans shot 2.6

Versatility can be good .. it can also be bad. Rondo is a point guard and a point guard only. I won't knock him for that. He does what he does and he does it well. Tyreke is, like you said, very versatile. Its too ealy in his career to know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know if he can play every postion at a high level or just play every position. I have seen too many NBA players fail because they never find their position on the floor. Evans will never be a failure .. hes too good for that, but when I say failure in this particular argument I'm talking about not being as good as Rondo.

Of course, I have nothing to base what I'm saying on ... it is just my opinion, but I see no reason why Rondo wouldn't be Rondo on this team. Thornton is very similar to a guy like Allen or Rip Hamilton or even Kevin Martin .. great at running off of screens and playing with great cardio to wear down his opponent. He isnt the shooter those guys are, but I think he will improve in that area. He'd be good with Rondo .. same goes for Jimmer.

Cousins would benefit from Rondo. He is nowhere near KG on defense, but on offense Cousins is a force .. a force with great hands. Rondo is a great passer who loves to feed the post. He can play with cousins.

The real argument here is how much you or I believe in Evans. You are right, there is no way I can say how good or bad Evans will be after he has been in the league for 5 years like Rondo has .. but that is the major point in most trades. Anytime you trade a young player with potential for a proven veteran you have to make that call.

And just quickly on trading one of our bigs .. I think JT and Hickson are very similar players. And having watched JT much more than JJ over the years I may actually prefer JT. That being said, one of those guys would mean a lot more to Boston then they would to us. And I'd take Dalembert over either one of them.

I still think Dalembert is as good as gone, but if you make the Rondo trade I proposed, and then went out and did everything you could to land Chandler or Dalembert ... That's a playoff team right there. A dangerous one too.

Rondo/Jimmer
Thornton/Garcia
Salmons/Garcia
Cousins/JT
Dalembert/JT

We could do much, much worse.

Damn, this is fun. I missed basketball.

Well since were both just speculating, I'll just leave it at that. No way for either of us to prove our points at this time. I'll remind you of mine when Evans is inducted into the HOF though. :D I sort of agree with you on Thompson, but thats only because he's more of a known commodity to me. Thompson is bigger, but Hickson is a better athlete, and his improvement curve seems to be a little faster. At least on paper.

I also think that Dalembert is gone. However, money talks, and may win out in the end. Unless of course there was some bad blood we don't know about. That leaves us with possibly Chandler or Nene. With Nene being the most likely candidate, simply because he wants out of Denver. I'm sure the Mav's will use the Bird rule in order to keep Chandler, and he's probably happy to return. But who knows, maybe not!

A little irony, and how a decision can change the outcome for two teams. In 2009 the Thunder traded Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith for Chandler. Their team doctor, the same doctor ironicaly that operated on Chandler's toe, ruled that Chandler failed his physical because of the toe not being healed properly and the trade was recinded. The Thunder who needed a defensive center desperately, later ended up trading for Perkins, but they're first choice, Chandler went on to win a championship.

One final note. Most of us have put Whiteside somewhere in the back of our minds. I'd like to remind people that a lot of people were surprised at how well Blake Griffin played this last season. Many attributed his surprising play to just being around his team and seeing the NBA up close and personal for an entire season while injured.

While I'm not equating Whiteside to Griffin, I do think its possible that he'll surprise a lot of people as well. Lets not forget that he's a 6'11" extremely athletic player thats a natural shotblocker. Judging from the pictures that I've seen of him, and by following him on twitter, he's put in some work this offseason. He still lacks certain skills, like ballhandling and pasing ability, and he's terribly immature, but he could be our long term answer to whom we put on the floor next to Cousins. Hopefully sooner than later!
 
Who is it that owns the Hornets? The league owns the Hornets!!!! At least at the moment. This is the same league that just went through a 5 month lockout trying to put rules in place to prevent or at least limit what your proposing. So do you think that Paul is going to force the Leagues hand? Paul makes 16 mil a year, and the Knicks are at 60 mil in payroll, putting them over the cap. So any trade has to have matching salaries. Just whom on the Knicks would you propose trading. Landry Fields? He makes less than 1 mil a year. Chancey Billups? Would you actually trade Paul for Billups?

The Hornets hold the cards here, not Paul. They don't have to trade him, unless he's willing to go to the team that can give them the best deal. If not, he can walk and lose a ton of money. The Lakers have a much better chance of trading for Paul than the Knicks. At least they have assets to trade. The Knicks have nothing other than Melo and Amare.

Doesn't matter what values are exchanged in the sign and trade. Lebron and Bosh were just recently traded for a couple of bad picks and a trade exception. And they got their extra year guaranteed. Are you telling me that makes sense? It doesn't appear that this new CBA totally fixed that issue. Chris Paul and the Hornets both have some leverage.
 
Frankly I think Rondo is hideously overrated ofttimes...and that's from somebody who has always liked him (or at least his game, personally he's supposed ot be a bit of a female dog). I shouldn't say always -- remember after his rookie year thinking he was going to be a very good change of pace guard off the bench, so was obviously missing low on him early. But in any case, people have taken to routinely ranking him up amongst the star guards, and he's just not. He's been playing on a squad with 3 HOFers which takes a ton of heat off you, he's small and can't shoot, nor make up for it with other offense. What he really reminds me of more than anything else is either a rich man's Mookie Blaylock or a modern day Mo Cheeks. Nice players that put in the right situation are beautiful roleplayers, but support players only as effective as their teammates.
 
I'm not much of a student of players, particularly on other teams, but your words are of interest to me because I have always felt that way about Rondo. If it's me I'm not interested.

However, somebody will be signed. Thornton, probably not Dalembert, maybe a replacement big for him, maybe not, maybe a 1, 2, or 3 that looks good to Petrie and Co., maybe Thornton plus two, and possibly three. Something tells me Petrie will let me know over the next four weeks. But I have to wait until 12/9 for the starter's gun.
 
Rondo for Westbrook. Gives the Celtics the offensive boost they need while a pass-first PG to pair with Durant and (now presumably starting) Harden in OKC.

Rondo in Sac? Doesn't make sense for me.
 
Rondo for Westbrook. Gives the Celtics the offensive boost they need while a pass-first PG to pair with Durant and (now presumably starting) Harden in OKC.

Rondo in Sac? Doesn't make sense for me.

They just wouldn't have any offensive punch at all. People forget just how on the edge OKC's offense was last year. Only had tw offensive weapons in the starting lineup, 1 off the bench. Everybody else were defensive roleplayers. Put Rondo in there in place of Westbrook and they would struggle to get 90 a game unless they imported another major offensive player. You gotta love the defense of Perkins, Rondo and Ibaka, but then there is enormous pressure on Durant and the unproven Harden jsut to hold the started together and your best bench scorer becomes...Daequan Cook? Nick Collison? Eric Maynor?
 
Doesn't matter what values are exchanged in the sign and trade. Lebron and Bosh were just recently traded for a couple of bad picks and a trade exception. And they got their extra year guaranteed. Are you telling me that makes sense? It doesn't appear that this new CBA totally fixed that issue. Chris Paul and the Hornets both have some leverage.

Miami had a lot of cap space that they were able to use to take on the extra salary. The Knicks don't have the same luxury.
 
Rondo for Westbrook. Gives the Celtics the offensive boost they need while a pass-first PG to pair with Durant and (now presumably starting) Harden in OKC.

Rondo in Sac? Doesn't make sense for me.

BOS is trying to offer Rondo for Paul. What a joke. I guess they are looking for a 3rd team to help facilitate a trade.
 
? NY has a ton of space next summer when Paul is a free agent

The contracts of Melo and Amare will add up to at least 36 million all by themselves. I don't know how many others they will have under contract, but I doubt that it will leave too much room under the cap to go after Paul.
 
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