Pacers v. Pistons Brawl (MERGED)
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If I were David Stern:
Wallace: For the face push and towel throwing: Two game suspension
Artest: For going into the stands and attacking (wrong guy?): Eight game suspension, should be enough to do a short promotional tour for the album.
Jackson: For going into the stands and hitting guy: Two game suspension
Jones: For going into stands to get Artest, and getting pummelled: Nothing
O'Neal: For landing the best connection of the night: One game suspension. Guy deserved it, but Artest had already given it to him. Jermaine can't escape scot-free on this one.
Fans: Identify those throwing items or punches, ban from all future NBA events, and prosecute to fullest extent of the law.
Good ol' Scot was Mr. Cool tonight.
It is a sad day for basketball, and I have a feeling this incident will change the way we view live NBA games forever.
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Wallace: For the face push and towel throwing: Two game suspension
Artest: For going into the stands and attacking (wrong guy?): Eight game suspension, should be enough to do a short promotional tour for the album.
Jackson: For going into the stands and hitting guy: Two game suspension
Jones: For going into stands to get Artest, and getting pummelled: Nothing
O'Neal: For landing the best connection of the night: One game suspension. Guy deserved it, but Artest had already given it to him. Jermaine can't escape scot-free on this one.
Fans: Identify those throwing items or punches, ban from all future NBA events, and prosecute to fullest extent of the law.
Good ol' Scot was Mr. Cool tonight.
It is a sad day for basketball, and I have a feeling this incident will change the way we view live NBA games forever.
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O'Neal, Artest and Jackson will all be suspended about 20 games for unprovoked attacks
Artest: Guy on the Court
Jackson: Guy in the Stands
O'Neal: Guy Artest hit on the Court
Crazy night in basketball. I thought the fans got what they deserved but, it was disgraceful on both ends. It almost made me sad to be a basketball fan knowing that there are so-called "fans" that act like that amongst us. I still want Artest in SacTown though. We need someone with an agressive attitude like that.
Artest: Guy on the Court
Jackson: Guy in the Stands
O'Neal: Guy Artest hit on the Court
Crazy night in basketball. I thought the fans got what they deserved but, it was disgraceful on both ends. It almost made me sad to be a basketball fan knowing that there are so-called "fans" that act like that amongst us. I still want Artest in SacTown though. We need someone with an agressive attitude like that.
Rant on.
Yes, and by comparison to the doings in Detroit tonight, it was a thing of beauty...but only by comparison.
What happened in Detroit tonight was pathetic, and no matter how they spin it on ESPN, I believe that it was the players who over-reacted. First Ben Wallace. Then Artest, when a fan acted like an idiot, decided to be a bigger idiot. I'm not saying that it wasn't a "human" thing to do but I don't buy that he was all that relaxed while lying on the scorer's table while Benny Wallace went off either. There was one shot in the video where he came off the table when Wallace threw the towel at him and he was coaxed back down...but I believe he was ready to go off and his handlers weren't ready for the direction he went off in.
What do I know...not much...but I believe that once Artest went into the stands and threw a punch it was all over (no matter how much one fan deserved it).
I definitely don't agree with what the Pistons fans did (any more than I agree with what the Lakers fans did to the Kings in the tunnel after the Christie/Fox altercation 2 years ago). Good karma to Scot for staying calm enough to not engage in the violence and to try to usher his teamates through the tunnel and out of the arena. It shows a lot a maturity (or lack of engagement) to have stayed that calm (I'm sure we all remember his on-air tirade when JB was booed at Arco).
I hope our Kings players would show more grace under pressure...but, once again, what do I know.
The whole thing is disgusting...and I especially hate the quote of some Suns player having to do with fans "wanting some of those NBA dollars". I don't remember which player was quoted, but if some pro athlete started throwing punches in the direction of me or my children (I don't technically have any, but I love my nieces and nephews to death) and scared the crap out of them because of a thrown beer and plastic cup, I'd be tempted to sue their asses myself (and this comes from a woman who did not sue for medical/emotional damage after some idiot totalled my car a few months ago).
Rant off.
Rant back on.
Get those freakin' folding chairs off the baseline, hold the fans back in the stands and help keep the players safe from injury and idiots. I swear, am I the only one who thinks the cameramen and "premium" seat observers are roughly two inches off the baselines?
Rant back off.
Yes, and by comparison to the doings in Detroit tonight, it was a thing of beauty...but only by comparison.
What happened in Detroit tonight was pathetic, and no matter how they spin it on ESPN, I believe that it was the players who over-reacted. First Ben Wallace. Then Artest, when a fan acted like an idiot, decided to be a bigger idiot. I'm not saying that it wasn't a "human" thing to do but I don't buy that he was all that relaxed while lying on the scorer's table while Benny Wallace went off either. There was one shot in the video where he came off the table when Wallace threw the towel at him and he was coaxed back down...but I believe he was ready to go off and his handlers weren't ready for the direction he went off in.
What do I know...not much...but I believe that once Artest went into the stands and threw a punch it was all over (no matter how much one fan deserved it).
I definitely don't agree with what the Pistons fans did (any more than I agree with what the Lakers fans did to the Kings in the tunnel after the Christie/Fox altercation 2 years ago). Good karma to Scot for staying calm enough to not engage in the violence and to try to usher his teamates through the tunnel and out of the arena. It shows a lot a maturity (or lack of engagement) to have stayed that calm (I'm sure we all remember his on-air tirade when JB was booed at Arco).
I hope our Kings players would show more grace under pressure...but, once again, what do I know.
The whole thing is disgusting...and I especially hate the quote of some Suns player having to do with fans "wanting some of those NBA dollars". I don't remember which player was quoted, but if some pro athlete started throwing punches in the direction of me or my children (I don't technically have any, but I love my nieces and nephews to death) and scared the crap out of them because of a thrown beer and plastic cup, I'd be tempted to sue their asses myself (and this comes from a woman who did not sue for medical/emotional damage after some idiot totalled my car a few months ago).
Rant off.
Rant back on.
Get those freakin' folding chairs off the baseline, hold the fans back in the stands and help keep the players safe from injury and idiots. I swear, am I the only one who thinks the cameramen and "premium" seat observers are roughly two inches off the baselines?
Rant back off.
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Rant on.
Yes, and by comparison to the doings in Detroit tonight, it was a thing of beauty...but only by comparison.
What happened in Detroit tonight was pathetic, and no matter how they spin it on ESPN, I believe that it was the players who over-reacted. First Ben Wallace. Then Artest, when a fan acted like an idiot, decided to be a bigger idiot. I'm not saying that it wasn't a "human" thing to do but I don't buy that he was all that relaxed while lying on the scorer's table while Benny Wallace went off either. There was one shot in the video where he came off the table when Wallace threw the towel at him and he was coaxed back down...but I believe he was ready to go off and his handlers weren't ready for the direction he went off in.
What do I know...not much...but I believe that once Artest went into the stands and threw a punch it was all over (no matter how much one fan deserved it).
I definitely don't agree with what the Pistons fans did (any more than I agree with what the Lakers fans did to the Kings in the tunnel after the Christie/Fox altercation 2 years ago). Good karma to Scot for staying calm enough to not engage in the violence and to try to usher his teamates through the tunnel and out of the arena. It shows a lot a maturity (or lack of engagement) to have stayed that calm (I'm sure we all remember his on-air tirade when JB was booed at Arco).
I hope our Kings players would show more grace under pressure...but, once again, what do I know.
The whole thing is disgusting...and I especially hate the quote of some Suns player having to do with fans "wanting some of those NBA dollars". I don't remember which player was quoted, but if some pro athlete started throwing punches in the direction of me or my children (I don't technically have any, but I love my nieces and nephews to death) and scared the crap out of them because of a thrown beer and plastic cup, I'd be tempted to sue their asses myself (and this comes from a woman who did not sue for medical/emotional damage after some idiot totalled my car a few months ago).
Rant off.
Yes, and by comparison to the doings in Detroit tonight, it was a thing of beauty...but only by comparison.
What happened in Detroit tonight was pathetic, and no matter how they spin it on ESPN, I believe that it was the players who over-reacted. First Ben Wallace. Then Artest, when a fan acted like an idiot, decided to be a bigger idiot. I'm not saying that it wasn't a "human" thing to do but I don't buy that he was all that relaxed while lying on the scorer's table while Benny Wallace went off either. There was one shot in the video where he came off the table when Wallace threw the towel at him and he was coaxed back down...but I believe he was ready to go off and his handlers weren't ready for the direction he went off in.
What do I know...not much...but I believe that once Artest went into the stands and threw a punch it was all over (no matter how much one fan deserved it).
I definitely don't agree with what the Pistons fans did (any more than I agree with what the Lakers fans did to the Kings in the tunnel after the Christie/Fox altercation 2 years ago). Good karma to Scot for staying calm enough to not engage in the violence and to try to usher his teamates through the tunnel and out of the arena. It shows a lot a maturity (or lack of engagement) to have stayed that calm (I'm sure we all remember his on-air tirade when JB was booed at Arco).
I hope our Kings players would show more grace under pressure...but, once again, what do I know.
The whole thing is disgusting...and I especially hate the quote of some Suns player having to do with fans "wanting some of those NBA dollars". I don't remember which player was quoted, but if some pro athlete started throwing punches in the direction of me or my children (I don't technically have any, but I love my nieces and nephews to death) and scared the crap out of them because of a thrown beer and plastic cup, I'd be tempted to sue their asses myself (and this comes from a woman who did not sue for medical/emotional damage after some idiot totalled my car a few months ago).
Rant off.
Garg...I'm sorry...I play devil's advocate and I can't help it.
What do you think your team's fans would do if an opposing team's player(s) went into the stands and started swinging at the fans (especially if they missed seeing the first thrown cup of beer)?
They'd probably react the same way..and while I'd hope Kings fans at Arco would react better, I'm not sure they would (I'm speaking strictly of the Pacers treatment at the tunnel entrance tonight, not the on court b.s.).
I'm not trying to be inflamatory and I'm not trying to excuse the Pistons fans behavior tonight either. I'm just curious as to how you think your team's fans would react in a similar situation.
KK!
What do you think your team's fans would do if an opposing team's player(s) went into the stands and started swinging at the fans (especially if they missed seeing the first thrown cup of beer)?
They'd probably react the same way..and while I'd hope Kings fans at Arco would react better, I'm not sure they would (I'm speaking strictly of the Pacers treatment at the tunnel entrance tonight, not the on court b.s.).
I'm not trying to be inflamatory and I'm not trying to excuse the Pistons fans behavior tonight either. I'm just curious as to how you think your team's fans would react in a similar situation.
KK!
I agree with you in that aspect but if you watch the video. When Artest is running into the fans a couple of them are already ready to strike. You also notice Fred Jones get decked across the head for trying to get Ron Artest off the fans. It was a crazy situation which I blame both sides for but I put more blame on the fans.
I think a lot of it has to do with security also, it took security forever to respond to that fight it seemed. I think a lot lays on them as well.
Not to be offensive KK, just my thoughts.
I think a lot of it has to do with security also, it took security forever to respond to that fight it seemed. I think a lot lays on them as well.
Not to be offensive KK, just my thoughts.
Oh, you're not offensive! You made good points about what happened AFTER Artest went into the stands! But what about this...what if Artest had never gone into the stands in the first place?
And...what the hell was he doing lying on the scorer's table in the first place?
And...sadly...players get stuff thrown on them all the time (or at least that's one of their reasons for throwing towels over their heads when they're sitting on the bench).
KK!!
You made good points about what happened AFTER Artest went into the stands! But what about this...what if Artest had never gone into the stands in the first place? And...what the hell was he doing lying on the scorer's table in the first place?
And...sadly...players get stuff thrown on them all the time (or at least that's one of their reasons for throwing towels over their heads when they're sitting on the bench).
KK!!
DETROIT WHAT !
Man Detroit fans are the **** !!! I love that fan base...
I'd have loved to been there and joined in on the brawl, but I'd probably have gotten knocked out by that psycho Stephen Jackson.
That one BIG FAT black guy from the Detroit fanbase was UNSTOPPABLE. He threw Fred Jones around like a pencil.
Man Detroit fans are the **** !!! I love that fan base...
I'd have loved to been there and joined in on the brawl, but I'd probably have gotten knocked out by that psycho Stephen Jackson.
That one BIG FAT black guy from the Detroit fanbase was UNSTOPPABLE. He threw Fred Jones around like a pencil.
P
Man when jermaine oneal punched the guy that came on the court,that was one nice haymaker .
But to be honest that was horrible, and I hope ben wallace and the fan that threw the beer to start it feel sorry for what they did.
And artest doesnt need to be suspended he had good reason to attack the moron fans.
They were not only throwing stuff at him, they were also saying stuff about raping his daughter .
Never liked big ben, never will!
~Peja#16
.But to be honest that was horrible, and I hope ben wallace and the fan that threw the beer to start it feel sorry for what they did.
And artest doesnt need to be suspended he had good reason to attack the moron fans.
They were not only throwing stuff at him, they were also saying stuff about raping his daughter
.Never liked big ben, never will!
~Peja#16
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I liked how Artest tried to keep it cool by lying on the scorer's table. He knew that this was a situation he could get himself into trouble agian, and kept himself out of it.
The beer, however, pushed him out of that state and he couldn't control himself anymore. I'm sure he'll get suspended, but I place more of the blame on the fans.
As for KK's statement that it could happen in Sac too: very true. Remember what happened after the Garnett Peeler fight last year?
The beer, however, pushed him out of that state and he couldn't control himself anymore. I'm sure he'll get suspended, but I place more of the blame on the fans.
As for KK's statement that it could happen in Sac too: very true. Remember what happened after the Garnett Peeler fight last year?
Wait, people in the stands get prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law and you are going to give Jackson 2 games and JO 1 game for attacking fans? Give me a break.
Frankly, this whole situation makes me sick. I'm going to call out those of you that seem to think this is some how cool and please ask that you grow up for a second. This was quite possibly the most despicable act in the history of sport.
Frankly, this whole situation makes me sick. I'm going to call out those of you that seem to think this is some how cool and please ask that you grow up for a second. This was quite possibly the most despicable act in the history of sport.
Ray Ratto's take (a little sensationalistic, but also pretty insightful):
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ratto_ray&id=1927360
Plenty of blame to go around
By Ray Ratto
Special to ESPN.com
Never mind all the apologies and acts of contrition you will hear over the next few days in the wake of Friday's Pacers-Pistons riot. They'll all be lies, every one of them.
The fact is, every person involved in the horrendous brawl at The Palace at Auburn Hills is secretly proud of himself for not taking any stuff – from Ron Artest clocking the one fan in a Pistons jersey, to the louts who drenched Jermaine O'Neal on his way off the floor with every liquid item from the concession stands.
[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Stephen Jackson (with yellow armband) was in the brouhaha, along with Pacers teammate Fred Jones and the Pistons' Rasheed Wallace (30).[/font]
They're all telling their friends what great people they are, and how many valuable lessons they imparted to all those other stupid people, whoever they might be. They all think this was a rite of passage, a test of manhood, and they all think they passed with flying colors.
They are going to spend the next few days defending themselves for their behavior, and delegating blame left and right, everywhere but themselves.
It's the players. No, it's the fans. No, it's lax security. And the one unifying theme is, "Hey, it wasn't me. I was just defending myself."
And all of it is nonsense. Nothing's going to happen, not until someone gets shot, or stabbed, or crippled.
Yes, we will all wring our hands and decry the looming end of civility in sports, but let us remind you that when Texas Rangers pitcher Frank Francisco threw a chair into the stands in Oakland, his suspension was brief and potential felony charges were not filed.
And the same will happen here. Everyone will talk a good game, but in the end, the only thing the players, the league office, the Detroit management and the town in general will want is for it all to go away, and hope people will forget.
Which, of course, they will. This makes for swell television, and fabulous round-table discussions, but in the end, it is an embarrassment that will be handled like most embarrassing situations – with as little talking and as much sleight of hand as needed to get people on to the next topic.
What ought to happen is simple, and comprehensive. The Pacers involved get real suspensions – long, staggered and without pay. The Pistons get fined several million dollars for their security lapses, even though this was your basic unforeseeable situation. The teams play their next game in an empty arena, while paying all arena personnel as though they had worked that day, and then make sizable contributions to anti-violence charitable groups in their towns. And the fans involved are identified, found, stripped of their season tickets (if applicable) and charged with as much as the law will allow.
Now guess how many of those will happen.
Or better yet, let us answer that for you. Almost none of them.
And while you're at it, guess which two other things won't happen.
Beer sales will not be curtailed because the markup for beer is one of the great arena cash cows of all time. Beer at an arena has been elevated to a God-given right, and given that fans will cheerfully pay up to $12 for a bottle of imported, that's a God the league and its members recognize and worship devoutly.
And the other is those courtside seats. They all seemed to bother the fellows on the NBA Shootaround studio so much, and yet, they aren't going anywhere either. They may be bolted down now, but like the beer, they generate way too much money from way too many high rollers to do anything but stay right where they are.
Over the next few days, you will hear outrage, and disgust, and demands for retribution. Hey, they serve their purpose because they let everyone position themselves as victims and moralists. It's good anaerobic exercise, and everyone comes away feeling better for the experience.
But don't buy the apologies, and don't buy the vows of punishment, or remedies. This, too, will pass because too many people want it to pass.
And when nobody's looking, the Pacers and the fans will all be very proud of themselves for standing up to each other, for eagerly crossing the line that should never be crossed.
Some day, though, someone will end up dead at courtside, or rinkside, or the sideline, or in the tunnel, and then we'll all wonder how it could have come to such a horrible end.
And we'll remember this night, and how the worst riot in recent NBA history was "someone else's fault."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ratto_ray&id=1927360
Plenty of blame to go around
By Ray Ratto
Special to ESPN.com
Never mind all the apologies and acts of contrition you will hear over the next few days in the wake of Friday's Pacers-Pistons riot. They'll all be lies, every one of them.
The fact is, every person involved in the horrendous brawl at The Palace at Auburn Hills is secretly proud of himself for not taking any stuff – from Ron Artest clocking the one fan in a Pistons jersey, to the louts who drenched Jermaine O'Neal on his way off the floor with every liquid item from the concession stands.
They're all telling their friends what great people they are, and how many valuable lessons they imparted to all those other stupid people, whoever they might be. They all think this was a rite of passage, a test of manhood, and they all think they passed with flying colors.
They are going to spend the next few days defending themselves for their behavior, and delegating blame left and right, everywhere but themselves.
It's the players. No, it's the fans. No, it's lax security. And the one unifying theme is, "Hey, it wasn't me. I was just defending myself."
And all of it is nonsense. Nothing's going to happen, not until someone gets shot, or stabbed, or crippled.
Yes, we will all wring our hands and decry the looming end of civility in sports, but let us remind you that when Texas Rangers pitcher Frank Francisco threw a chair into the stands in Oakland, his suspension was brief and potential felony charges were not filed.
And the same will happen here. Everyone will talk a good game, but in the end, the only thing the players, the league office, the Detroit management and the town in general will want is for it all to go away, and hope people will forget.
Which, of course, they will. This makes for swell television, and fabulous round-table discussions, but in the end, it is an embarrassment that will be handled like most embarrassing situations – with as little talking and as much sleight of hand as needed to get people on to the next topic.
What ought to happen is simple, and comprehensive. The Pacers involved get real suspensions – long, staggered and without pay. The Pistons get fined several million dollars for their security lapses, even though this was your basic unforeseeable situation. The teams play their next game in an empty arena, while paying all arena personnel as though they had worked that day, and then make sizable contributions to anti-violence charitable groups in their towns. And the fans involved are identified, found, stripped of their season tickets (if applicable) and charged with as much as the law will allow.
Now guess how many of those will happen.
Or better yet, let us answer that for you. Almost none of them.
And while you're at it, guess which two other things won't happen.
Beer sales will not be curtailed because the markup for beer is one of the great arena cash cows of all time. Beer at an arena has been elevated to a God-given right, and given that fans will cheerfully pay up to $12 for a bottle of imported, that's a God the league and its members recognize and worship devoutly.
And the other is those courtside seats. They all seemed to bother the fellows on the NBA Shootaround studio so much, and yet, they aren't going anywhere either. They may be bolted down now, but like the beer, they generate way too much money from way too many high rollers to do anything but stay right where they are.
Over the next few days, you will hear outrage, and disgust, and demands for retribution. Hey, they serve their purpose because they let everyone position themselves as victims and moralists. It's good anaerobic exercise, and everyone comes away feeling better for the experience.
But don't buy the apologies, and don't buy the vows of punishment, or remedies. This, too, will pass because too many people want it to pass.
And when nobody's looking, the Pacers and the fans will all be very proud of themselves for standing up to each other, for eagerly crossing the line that should never be crossed.
Some day, though, someone will end up dead at courtside, or rinkside, or the sideline, or in the tunnel, and then we'll all wonder how it could have come to such a horrible end.
And we'll remember this night, and how the worst riot in recent NBA history was "someone else's fault."
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ben wallace had every right to be so darn mad. i watched the replay a few times, look where it was. it was right at his NECK. i'd be prett pissed of someone started throwing his arm at my neck in a game that was over. i'd have shoved artest just as hard if i was as strong as big ben was
and i do have to get artest credit for going and laying down on the scorers table, to get out of trouble. and i do have to give him the benefit of the doubt after that *** of a fan threw his beer at him. there was NO excuse for that. and on the flip side, there is also NO excuse for artest to go after that fan. but if i were in ron's shoe's i probably would have gone just as balistic. just a STUPID STUPID fan doing a STUPID STUPID thing. i really hope the league takes that into consideration when they decide how long his suspension is going to be for. he did show good behavior in that moment, a good thing for him
oh that fan on the court. just what was that MORON thinking. i hate to say it since it sounds just to wrong, but that guy deserved those DECKS that artest and JO handed him. oh man that one artest threw him, oh man. artest could get sued.
talk about getting your shower before getting to the locker room. i was a little peeved that that one sheet of soda didn't hit JO as much as it did the guy next to him. i really can't stand JO, so i don't feel bad at wanting more soda being showered on him. that was just crazy.
christmas is going to be one heck of a day. i REALLY hope that pistons @ pacers is on TV. what a day or drama that will be, shaq V kobe, detroit V indy. DAMN!!! my family is going to hate me for ditching them to watch the game. and wait until the pacers come back to detroit later this year. OH DAMN. i thinl we'll hear the boo;s our here.
but the craziest part of tonight is that the person trying to keep the peace was RASHEED!!!! man that had the potential to be nut case V nutcase, but rasheed was the keeper of the peace. well you never know what can happen.
embarrasing for the league. VERY embarrasing.
and i do have to get artest credit for going and laying down on the scorers table, to get out of trouble. and i do have to give him the benefit of the doubt after that *** of a fan threw his beer at him. there was NO excuse for that. and on the flip side, there is also NO excuse for artest to go after that fan. but if i were in ron's shoe's i probably would have gone just as balistic. just a STUPID STUPID fan doing a STUPID STUPID thing. i really hope the league takes that into consideration when they decide how long his suspension is going to be for. he did show good behavior in that moment, a good thing for him
oh that fan on the court. just what was that MORON thinking. i hate to say it since it sounds just to wrong, but that guy deserved those DECKS that artest and JO handed him. oh man that one artest threw him, oh man. artest could get sued.
talk about getting your shower before getting to the locker room. i was a little peeved that that one sheet of soda didn't hit JO as much as it did the guy next to him. i really can't stand JO, so i don't feel bad at wanting more soda being showered on him. that was just crazy.
christmas is going to be one heck of a day. i REALLY hope that pistons @ pacers is on TV. what a day or drama that will be, shaq V kobe, detroit V indy. DAMN!!! my family is going to hate me for ditching them to watch the game. and wait until the pacers come back to detroit later this year. OH DAMN. i thinl we'll hear the boo;s our here.
but the craziest part of tonight is that the person trying to keep the peace was RASHEED!!!! man that had the potential to be nut case V nutcase, but rasheed was the keeper of the peace. well you never know what can happen.
embarrasing for the league. VERY embarrasing.
oh and my takes on the suspensions, it's time for stern to show his worth
artest should be suspended until the AS break at least. he went into the crowd with the intent on hurting a fan, which he did, then he flat out DECKED another idiot who went on the court.
stephan jackson should get at least 10 games, for doing the same thing as artest
JO should NOT get off scotch free. he punched the same idiot who found his way on the court. 10 games at least.
ben wallace should get 5 games for shoving artest.
and ALL should be with out pay.
this was not cool at ALL from a professional point of view, and that is what these guys are professionals. they need to be held accountable for their actions.
just an embarrassing situation for the league.
artest should be suspended until the AS break at least. he went into the crowd with the intent on hurting a fan, which he did, then he flat out DECKED another idiot who went on the court.
stephan jackson should get at least 10 games, for doing the same thing as artest
JO should NOT get off scotch free. he punched the same idiot who found his way on the court. 10 games at least.
ben wallace should get 5 games for shoving artest.
and ALL should be with out pay.
this was not cool at ALL from a professional point of view, and that is what these guys are professionals. they need to be held accountable for their actions.
just an embarrassing situation for the league.
Or...Artest and O'Neal should be given league mandated pay raises for decking that fool on the court. At the very least they should get whatever the security guards were susposed to be paid, since they had to do their job for them.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
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Bricklayer said:
Or...Artest and O'Neal should be given league mandated pay raises for decking that fool on the court. At the very least they should get whatever the security guards were susposed to be paid, since they had to do their job for them.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
thats comedy
Bricklayer said:
Or...Artest and O'Neal should be given league mandated pay raises for decking that fool on the court. At the very least they should get whatever the security guards were susposed to be paid, since they had to do their job for them.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
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Bricklayer said:
Or...Artest and O'Neal should be given league mandated pay raises for decking that fool on the court. At the very least they should get whatever the security guards were susposed to be paid, since they had to do their job for them.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
P.S. as a practical aside, I believe that any suspension of over 5 games is subject to arbitration with the Players Union. No way an arbitrator will uphold a 1/2 season suspension for this incident. Might be able to get it out to 10 games or so.
Suspension? They're heros!
Ok the guy that came on the court was a fool, and I probably would have decked him as well, but I think JO was a bit out of line. The dude was obviously not going anywhere, seeing that he was surrounded by 10 people, and while his haymaker was the best punch I have seen thrown in a looooong time, it was still digraceful.
Still, I cannot believe that Artest went into the stands in the first place. Yes the fans are morons for throwing beer/popcorn etc, but Artest needs to keep a level head as well. If he never goes into the stands then this never escallates. Should that fan be punished? Hell yes, but that in no way condones Artests behavior.
I do agree with that article. In about a week we will all forget and nothing will be changed until something VERY serious happens.
Still, I cannot believe that Artest went into the stands in the first place. Yes the fans are morons for throwing beer/popcorn etc, but Artest needs to keep a level head as well. If he never goes into the stands then this never escallates. Should that fan be punished? Hell yes, but that in no way condones Artests behavior.
I do agree with that article. In about a week we will all forget and nothing will be changed until something VERY serious happens.
