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[Bricklayer]

Two notes:

1) Wilcox is nobody's starter. Nor much of a rebounder or shortblocker. Think people just remember liking him in college or something.

2) Artest is another postup player. In fact Bonzi/Artest are two of the nastiest postup little guys you're going to find. Assuming Brad's defensive liabilities could be covered up by7 our mythical Big Ben like addition, Reef's particualr skillset is actually more duplicative than Brad's (shootiing, passing). Not to mention Brad and Mike work extremely well together and if you trade one, you may well get into that situation where you trade part of the other as well.

 

[PFFFT!!]

I vote Nocioni.

 

[SacTownKid]

Two notes:

1) Wilcox is nobody's starter. Nor much of a rebounder or shortblocker. Think people just remember liking him in college or something.

2) Artest is another postup player. In fact Bonzi/Artest are two of the nastiest postup little guys you're going to find. Assuming Brad's defensive liabilities could be covered up by7 our mythical Big Ben like addition, Reef's particualr skillset is actually more duplicative than Brad's (shootiing, passing). Not to mention Brad and Mike work extremely well together and if you trade one, you may well get into that situation where you trade part of the other as well.

True. Man, before the season we had 1 post up player. Now we have 4 of them! Times change for sure.

I would even be down to go out and get Reggie Evans. He is actually looking alright on offense, but he is a monster rebounder. Rather have a Joelzilla kind of guy though. That would be sweet if we could get him this summer!

 

[DaMan]

Two notes:

1) Wilcox is nobody's starter. Nor much of a rebounder or shortblocker. Think people just remember liking him in college or something.

2) Artest is another postup player. In fact Bonzi/Artest are two of the nastiest postup little guys you're going to find. Assuming Brad's defensive liabilities could be covered up by7 our mythical Big Ben like addition, Reef's particualr skillset is actually more duplicative than Brad's (shootiing, passing). Not to mention Brad and Mike work extremely well together and if you trade one, you may well get into that situation where you trade part of the other as well.

Yea artest and wells are pretty good post players, but i would rather have shareef down there with the bigs then artest and wells. Sar has played well against most big men i only remember him stuggle against 3: R.Wallace, Sammual, and Mouring other then that he has done pretty well. And shareef has had a pretty good fg avg when he does get down there, but i might change my opinion because Brad and Mike do play well together

 

[x 213 x]

one guy that could really help out our rebounding and shot blocking is Dan Gadzuric, I wanted GP to try and get him this summer but he resigned with Bucks for a pretty decent contract. He can run the floor, rebound, block shots, and be the tough inside guy that we need.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

That player is already there: his name is Brian Skinner.

Adelman hasnt given him the chance he deserves...he brings it every game he plays, and yet we still see 'DNPCD' almost every game. C'mon Rick, there's a new additude on this team and Brian fits right in dammit! Open your eyes Rick! DEFENSE!! DEFENSE!! DEFENSE!!

 

[NewMonkey]

Very true...but is that player out there....what other troubled, pyshotic can we bring in...Rodman said he is availiable...

That's beautiful.

 

[Bricklayer]

one guy that could really help out our rebounding and shot blocking is Dan Gadzuric, I wanted GP to try and get him this summer but he resigned with Bucks for a pretty decent contract. He can run the floor, rebound, block shots, and be the tough inside guy that we need.

I like Gadz and was, and still am, an advocate of trying to get him. Would likely be a bencher/6th man for us though, and while that would be useful in itself, it wouldn't help solve the impending offensive not-enough-shots-to-go-around crunch.

Once everybody gets back/arrives there will be no more Bibby 40pt nights, no more anybody big nights, because they are all going to be fighting over the ball again. In fact ron might actually make that problem WORSE since he needs the ball in his hands more than Peja who could catch and shoot a lot. You really only need 3 major scorers in a lineup. We've got 5. Much as I like Gadz, doubt he would get the starts to help us out.

 

[G_M]

I like Eddie Griffin. He is turning into a more balanced and defensive minded player. The guy can block shots and I'm not sure about his rebounding numbers. Minnesota is going nowhere fast and KG may be on the move. With all the drama I was hoping we could steal him somehow.

 

[SLAB]

I still like trying to aquire a Gooden/Varejao package from Cleveland.

Gooden may not be the defender we want, but the guy is one hell of a rebounder....Plus, hes not the type of guy who wants the ball all the time...He would be fine with garbage points.

SAR + Future 2nd round pick

For

Drew Gooden + Anderson Varejao

PG: Bibby/Hart/Price
SG: Wells/Martin
SF: Artest/Cisco/Corliss
PF: Gooden/Thomas/Varejao
C: Miller/Skinner

 

[King4Life]

Chandler has not looked impressive this year after signing his big contract. If he's already lazy I don't see Sacramento making him any better. I'd try to get Joel Pryzbilla if possible. He's got size and shotblocking ability.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

my vote is for getting Gadzuric

 

[BMiller52]

We should go after wilcox. He could get 12 ppg 12 rpg 2 bpg I think.

 

[Evenstar]

bring on chandler!

or anyone of that mold

 

[Padrino]

Two notes:

1) Wilcox is nobody's starter. Nor much of a rebounder or shortblocker. Think people just remember liking him in college or something.

2) Artest is another postup player. In fact Bonzi/Artest are two of the nastiest postup little guys you're going to find. Assuming Brad's defensive liabilities could be covered up by7 our mythical Big Ben like addition, Reef's particualr skillset is actually more duplicative than Brad's (shootiing, passing). Not to mention Brad and Mike work extremely well together and if you trade one, you may well get into that situation where you trade part of the other as well.

i agree here. i love the idea of bringing reef off the bench, but i'm sure that would be unacceptable to him, and he'd be our biggest remaining bargaining chip anyways, provided we wanted our starting unit to like like this:

miller
*insert defensive PF here*
artest
wells
bibby

 

[Eddie_the_Eagle]

Luckily, the Kings might have an excess of wing players during the offseason, if the team ponies up to keep Bonzi.

The potential of Garcia or Martin plu one of the "Philly Three" (Thomas?) would likely be an attractive package for a team.

Or, the team, could sign and trade Bonzi if necessary.

But is that enough to get a rebounding/shotblocking presence?

 

[LPKingsFan]

Assuming the new "untouchable core" is Miller, Bibby, Artest, kids... what do we offer to Chicago for Chandler. SAR? Some combination of Thomas/Skinner/Corliss? A three way deal?

 

[Kajun]

Gadzuric will be tough to get, he's a base year compensation player, and it seems none of our salaries match up.

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

The type of player we need is BRIAN MILLER! Get it? Blocks like Brian, then shoots and handles the ball like Miller. I don't care if he's 6'9 I want him to be athletic and defensive!

 

[Goo]

Get Charlie Villanueva from Tor, that kid can board. It may not show on stat but he is solid.

PS Wow SAR is more than solid for the king in both O/D except rebound(but other teams PF is not getting rebound either) and now we are already talking about trade SAR for a xxx. how about Sar for K brown? young, 7 footer that can jump, looks like it fit the bill. Laker would love to do it.

 

[nbrans]

Wilcox is a possibility and he's improved his rebounding numbers this year (albeit in severely limited minutes), although like Nene, he's a restricted free agent and it's doubtful that the Kings would be able to sign him outright, nor do they have much that the Clippers would want in a sign and trade -- except perhaps SAR, and I don't think a SAR/Wilcox trade makes much sense for the Kings. Maybe a re-signed Wilcox for Corliss and Francisco Garcia?

Gadzuric is a real possibility in the offseason. The Bucks have a bunch of centers and no power forward, and since Gadzuric basically has the exact same deal as Kenny Thomas the Bucks might actually be one of the very few teams who wouldn't balk at KT's contract. Gadzuric is already 27, so he's not likely to improve a great deal more, and I agree with Brick that he probably wouldn't start. But he would be an athletic, energetic 4/5 guy off the bench and a good contrast/compliment to SAR and Miller.

And then, of course, there's Darko. Pistons say they want to keep him, Kings might not have what it takes to get him, but the Pistons could use some perimeter bench help, particularly if, god forbid, one of their players EVER went down with an injury (damn the Pistons and their injury-free ways). If the Kings threw in Garcia would they bite?

Lastly, Lorenzen Wright is a free agent this offseason, and there have always been rumors about Petrie trying to get him. Even though he's sucked this season and he's 30 it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Kings tried to get him in the offseason with some or all of the MLE.

 

[DaMan]

Wilcox is a possibility and he's improved his rebounding numbers this year (albeit in severely limited minutes), although like Nene, he's a restricted free agent and it's doubtful that the Kings would be able to sign him outright, nor do they have much that the Clippers would want in a sign and trade -- except perhaps SAR, and I don't think a SAR/Wilcox trade makes much sense for the Kings. Maybe a re-signed Wilcox for Corliss and Francisco Garcia?

Gadzuric is a real possibility in the offseason. The Bucks have a bunch of centers and no power forward, and since Gadzuric basically has the exact same deal as Kenny Thomas the Bucks might actually be one of the very few teams who wouldn't balk at KT's contract. Gadzuric is already 27, so he's not likely to improve a great deal more, and I agree with Brick that he probably wouldn't start. But he would be an athletic, energetic 4/5 guy off the bench and a good contrast/compliment to SAR and Miller.

And then, of course, there's Darko. Pistons say they want to keep him, Kings might not have what it takes to get him, but the Pistons could use some perimeter bench help, particularly if, god forbid, one of their players EVER went down with an injury (damn the Pistons and their injury-free ways). If the Kings threw in Garcia would they bite?

Lastly, Lorenzen Wright is a free agent this offseason, and there have always been rumors about Petrie trying to get him. Even though he's sucked this season and he's 30 it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Kings tried to get him in the offseason with some or all of the MLE.

I like that list.

 

[DaMan]

Get Charlie Villanueva from Tor, that kid can board. It may not show on stat but he is solid.

PS Wow SAR is more than solid for the king in both O/D except rebound(but other teams PF is not getting rebound either) and now we are already talking about trade SAR for a xxx. how about Sar for K brown? young, 7 footer that can jump, looks like it fit the bill. Laker would love to do it.

I really doubt that tor trades CV, he is part of there future.

 

[KingKong]

Miller/Chandler/Artest/Wells/Bibby

Preventing insanity or foul trouble, that could work very well.

Here's mine:

Miller/Webber/Artest/Wells/Bibby.

 

[playmaker0017]

I didn't read through the whole thread, but the guys I'd go after are:

1) Joel Przybilla
2) Samuel Dalembert

Those would be my prime targets.

I'd give up Miller and/or Thomas to get the deal done.

At the end of the day, I see this as the big problem - Miller and Bibby are terrible defenders. Simply put - they are among the worst in the league, in my opinion. With Artest, we have the ability to truly shore up one of the defensive areas and let the other part function.

For instance, if you trade Bibby for a defensive PG that stays in front of his man ... it allows Reef/Miller to be a combo that works since Bonzi, Artest and the new PG would be handling the outside duties.

If you trade Miller, you get a center that will shore up a weak middle. In my opinion, Reef has shown he is the best defending starter we have. He forces his man to score. He may not be a monster, but he's solid out there and not a weakness. Miller on the other hand IS a weakness. This could be because Bibby is allowing people through too much ... but if you get a guy like Dalembert that erases those mistakes ... it can allow for a PG that acts as a matador.

Trading Reef is another possiblity, but I don't think he is the defensive weakness.

Of the three - I'd move Bibby. He's got the most value and requires the rest of the team to accomodate to him rather than vice versa.

 

[nbrans]

I didn't read through the whole thread, but the guys I'd go after are:

1) Joel Przybilla
2) Samuel Dalembert

Those would be my prime targets.

I'd give up Miller and/or Thomas to get the deal done.

The Artest trade made me instantly opposed to trading Miller. Artest and Miller seem to be close, and I'd like to see if Artest brings out some of the Miller of old. Also, the Bibby/Miller two man game keeps getting better and better.

Pryzbilla is solid, but he's a pure center and therefore would probably come off the bench -- I don't like the idea of Miller at the 4. He'd be fine off the bench, but he's going to command starting-center money in the offseason and then you run into the whole "Kings won't be able to sign him and have nothing Portland would want in a trade" situation. I'm guessing Portland is going to lock him up in the offseason.

Dalembert would be intriuging next to Miller in the starting lineup, but he's expensive and I doubt the Kings would be able to get him without giving up Miller, and even then the Sixers might not want to make that trade.

 

[LA King Fan II]

Miller is getting murdered inside by everyone. Malik Rose even knocked him 10 rows back posting him up. He hardly looks the part of a center. Garcia put up a better fight inside against the Knicks than Miller.

He can shoot and run the screen and roll. He is the Kings exact problem though. A very very weak, non-athletic presence. If they keep the front line in tact Ronny-Bibby-Bonzi will simply get more and more frustrated watching other teams get rebounds.

Seen the King's rebounding on opponent's free throws? It is one legacy that has been kept alive from C-Webb's legacy. I hope and pray everytime the opponent's don't miss.

 

[AleksandarN]

I almost hope that either Prince or Rip get injuried so that they would be interested in a Bonzi for Darko trade

 

[DavisAggie]

For comparison:
Ben Wallace
36.3min 8.4pts (.496 FG% .472 FT%) 12.7rebs 2.0ast 1.6stl 2.2blk

It is exactly the style of player that is needed to complete and balance this lineup. 5 scorers doens't work. Never has. Certainly doesn't for us. Wussiness on the boards, no shotblocking does not work. There are not enough shots to go around whether it be Artest or Peja. You need that starter who doesn't need to shoot and does the dirtywork to free things up and make things comfortable for the guys who do need the ball. And we as a franchise should know that -- we got good when we sandwiched in Doug Christie between the scorers.

Brian Skinner
Sacramento Kings
Position: C
Height: 6-9 Weight: 265

Ben Wallace
Detroit Pistons
Position: C
Height: 6-9 Weight: 240

So, we already have our man. We don't need a 7 foot center, those days are long behind us. We use the money to resign Bonzi and here is (or should be) our lineup:

PG - Bibby
SG - Artest
SF - Bonzi
PF - Miller
C - Skinner

 

[nbrans]

Brian Skinner
Sacramento Kings
Position: C
Height: 6-9 Weight: 265

Ben Wallace
Detroit Pistons
Position: C
Height: 6-9 Weight: 240

So, we already have our man. We don't need a 7 foot center, those days are long behind us. We use the money to resign Bonzi and here is (or should be) our lineup:

Here's a semi-important difference:

Ben Wallace - 2004-2005 Defensive Player of the Year
Brian Skinner - not so much