Ok, Ummm, Is It Really That Bad? (Kings/Lakers Discussion)
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I'm perfectly fine. Blowouts happen. You have to bo on a receiving end sometimes as well. Game over, learn from it and move on. If we always played and lost like this than I would be concerned. It is just one game, we have 60 more to go.
We have never had the best of luck when the games are on TNT. I would like to see W-L ratio for that stat
Bring on Go Kings 4.0 thread!!!!
Go Kings!!!
We have never had the best of luck when the games are on TNT. I would like to see W-L ratio for that stat
Bring on Go Kings 4.0 thread!!!!Go Kings!!!
ah damn. i missed kobe being put on his butt by daruis!!!! my mom called. that sounds like it was the best part of a dismal game.
THE DEFENSE SUCKED TONIGHT!!!!!!! the O was enough to win the game NO DEFENSE!!!! 50 points int he paint to a shaqless lakers??? INEXCUSABLE!!!! why no tag, isn't that why we brought him in here, to GAURD THE PAINT!!!! one on one D on lamar who ate webber and miller for lunch?!?!?! why no double team?!?!?!
*ends rant*
that game just flat out sucked. bobby and darius sure played like they care, why the hell didn't the starters?!?!?! what, you think that becuase you are at home you are automatically going to win, that you don't actually have to exert any effort?!?!! WTH. ok so the lakers aren't what they used to be, so you don't have to play as hard to beat them?!?!! GOOD GRIEF!!!!!! i can handle losing, i can't handle not trying and pee poor efforts like tonights was.
*ends 2nd rant*
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THE DEFENSE SUCKED TONIGHT!!!!!!! the O was enough to win the game NO DEFENSE!!!! 50 points int he paint to a shaqless lakers??? INEXCUSABLE!!!! why no tag, isn't that why we brought him in here, to GAURD THE PAINT!!!! one on one D on lamar who ate webber and miller for lunch?!?!?! why no double team?!?!?!
*ends rant*
that game just flat out sucked. bobby and darius sure played like they care, why the hell didn't the starters?!?!?! what, you think that becuase you are at home you are automatically going to win, that you don't actually have to exert any effort?!?!! WTH. ok so the lakers aren't what they used to be, so you don't have to play as hard to beat them?!?!! GOOD GRIEF!!!!!! i can handle losing, i can't handle not trying and pee poor efforts like tonights was.
*ends 2nd rant*
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as i always Say Adelmans tactics don't work and the biggest problem with the kings is EVERYONE is the boss webber, Peja, bibby.. even bobby shoot when ever they feel like it and that shows that adelman has no control the players DON'T FEAR HIM. And tonight well the lakers shot very well no D agian
and people can hate kobe as much as they want becuase of his personality or his off court life but he is the Best Darn Player in the NBA period he destroyed us tonight(most entertaining and most fun to watch not to metnion clutch) taking nothing away from garnett,
and people can hate kobe as much as they want becuase of his personality or his off court life but he is the Best Darn Player in the NBA period he destroyed us tonight(most entertaining and most fun to watch not to metnion clutch) taking nothing away from garnett,
Well, the problem on offense was evident a couple of times.
The problem with the offense is not that there is no boss (actually, I would argue that there IS one), but the ball is supposed to move around until someone gets a good look. But this requires players to be moving off the ball pretty much constantly and this just did not happen on a couple of occasions when Webber bailed us out with some hook shots or short jumpers. He was looking for people but they would completely run away from him. If Webber hadn't hit a couple of 1 on 1 shots this loss would have been a lot worse.
In either case, the problem tonight was not the offense, although we did miss some shots that would normally go in. It was all D.
The problem with the offense is not that there is no boss (actually, I would argue that there IS one), but the ball is supposed to move around until someone gets a good look. But this requires players to be moving off the ball pretty much constantly and this just did not happen on a couple of occasions when Webber bailed us out with some hook shots or short jumpers. He was looking for people but they would completely run away from him. If Webber hadn't hit a couple of 1 on 1 shots this loss would have been a lot worse.
In either case, the problem tonight was not the offense, although we did miss some shots that would normally go in. It was all D.
Man that's exactly how I see the team. And one I say that Adelman should get respect by getting 10 times louder at his player, you've got everybody answering 'Oh no, that's not how to address Kings issues with rebounding, defense and stuff like that'. Kings showed no pride, no heart, no fighting spirit and people are kind of embarassed. But wake up they've always been this way and you guys always find that normal because wins have come along. You got blinded by the love you have for the team period.
I can predict right now what's gonna happen till the end of the season. The Kings will bounce back the next game, wins will come along during the regular season and everybody will be like 'we still have a shot to the title'. And before you know it Kings will be on vacations. Next summer will be the same story like 'Webber blew it, we should get rid of him', 'Adelman works great for this team, let's keep him'.
A big move needs to be done but a player move and now not after a Kings slump during the postseason. Even Stevie Wonder would be a better coach...
But you people are Ok that the team always fails at winning a championship. Keep the 'we-lost-game 2-against-Minny-we'll-win-the next-one' attitude.
I can predict right now what's gonna happen till the end of the season. The Kings will bounce back the next game, wins will come along during the regular season and everybody will be like 'we still have a shot to the title'. And before you know it Kings will be on vacations. Next summer will be the same story like 'Webber blew it, we should get rid of him', 'Adelman works great for this team, let's keep him'.
A big move needs to be done but a player move and now not after a Kings slump during the postseason. Even Stevie Wonder would be a better coach...
But you people are Ok that the team always fails at winning a championship. Keep the 'we-lost-game 2-against-Minny-we'll-win-the next-one' attitude.
You Betcha' ....
It was THAT BAD !!!!
Unless the Kings do something defensively, athletically and productively ... the Kings will be out of the playoffs by the 2nd round - AGAIN !!! Oh, we'll make the playoffs, but ... that's it.
Sugar coat this all you want .... it's definitely not the 1st time we've seen this KIND OF PLAY ... and won't definitley be the last ... point is ... WHERE'S THE IMPROVEMENT ... something we've all been witness to the past few years and once again this year.
Com'n now ... don't give me: "it's just one loss" or "they'll pick it up as year goes on" or "they're gonna have games like this" ... that's DENIAL.
As a fan .... I'll be here for our King's ... but as a fan who wants to see them improve, advance and make it to the Finals ... WE NEED MORE !!!
It was THAT BAD !!!!
Unless the Kings do something defensively, athletically and productively ... the Kings will be out of the playoffs by the 2nd round - AGAIN !!! Oh, we'll make the playoffs, but ... that's it.
Sugar coat this all you want .... it's definitely not the 1st time we've seen this KIND OF PLAY ... and won't definitley be the last ... point is ... WHERE'S THE IMPROVEMENT ... something we've all been witness to the past few years and once again this year.
Com'n now ... don't give me: "it's just one loss" or "they'll pick it up as year goes on" or "they're gonna have games like this" ... that's DENIAL.
As a fan .... I'll be here for our King's ... but as a fan who wants to see them improve, advance and make it to the Finals ... WE NEED MORE !!!
Didn't see the game, but from what the clips show, noone on kings team really showed up to play. Odom and Kobe alone simply had their way with our whole team tonight. It was stupid, embarassing, and loss that none of us really expected.
but to start talking about firing Adelman because of that is just silly. The players DID NOT play.......
And another thing - we are 2 (only TWO) months into the season. Some of you are acting as though this was our deciding game before the playoffs.
Let's relax and kick back. This team is doing pretty well!
but to start talking about firing Adelman because of that is just silly. The players DID NOT play.......
And another thing - we are 2 (only TWO) months into the season. Some of you are acting as though this was our deciding game before the playoffs.
Let's relax and kick back. This team is doing pretty well!
Sometimes I think a lot of people just don't watch that much of the rest of NBA and so they get a little myopically focused on the Kings and their shortcomings. They are there, but EVERY team has them. Every team has disappointing games where they don't show up. And every team has achilles heels -- worrisome ways that they lose consistently. It is the nature of the sport. Of all sport actually.
Ours of course is we begin to shoot too quick on offense, and simply don't have anybody to step up and consistently make a stand on defense. These are REAL problems. As is our ridiculous lack of athleticism (which I fear may be the real source of our undoing in the end). But EVERY team in the league has similar issues. Every fanboard has people panicking on them multiple times every year.
But there is a bigger picture, and one that people lose sight of when they only watch one team. We've got weaknesses. But so does everyone else. There are no truly great teams out there this year. Nobody without weaknesses that can be exploited. Every team in the league with the possible exception of Phoenix and Seattle, who will likely come down to Earth at some point, has had games that just left you scratching your head. How do you think Minnesota feels about beating us and then turning around and falling apart against the Bulls and Raptors? Its an imposible season to call at this point.
Our team has great strengths (experience, shooting, passing) to go with our weaknesses, just like eveybody else. We could really use some reinforcements, but with our lack of depth there's no easy way to get them without having to give up core players, and that is just a real crapshoot and hard to do right during the regular season.
So this is probably the crew. And this is probably the last go around for them as a unit. They are flawed, but so is everbody else. History says they will be there in the end, and will get their shot one more time. Its not clear whether they have enough left to get it done or not. But its not clear any other team has enough either. So barring a team-changing blockbuster trade, these are likely the guys, possibly with a minor pickup to strengthen the bench. One more run at it, and then into what could be a very active offseason.
So we see.
Ours of course is we begin to shoot too quick on offense, and simply don't have anybody to step up and consistently make a stand on defense. These are REAL problems. As is our ridiculous lack of athleticism (which I fear may be the real source of our undoing in the end). But EVERY team in the league has similar issues. Every fanboard has people panicking on them multiple times every year.
But there is a bigger picture, and one that people lose sight of when they only watch one team. We've got weaknesses. But so does everyone else. There are no truly great teams out there this year. Nobody without weaknesses that can be exploited. Every team in the league with the possible exception of Phoenix and Seattle, who will likely come down to Earth at some point, has had games that just left you scratching your head. How do you think Minnesota feels about beating us and then turning around and falling apart against the Bulls and Raptors? Its an imposible season to call at this point.
Our team has great strengths (experience, shooting, passing) to go with our weaknesses, just like eveybody else. We could really use some reinforcements, but with our lack of depth there's no easy way to get them without having to give up core players, and that is just a real crapshoot and hard to do right during the regular season.
So this is probably the crew. And this is probably the last go around for them as a unit. They are flawed, but so is everbody else. History says they will be there in the end, and will get their shot one more time. Its not clear whether they have enough left to get it done or not. But its not clear any other team has enough either. So barring a team-changing blockbuster trade, these are likely the guys, possibly with a minor pickup to strengthen the bench. One more run at it, and then into what could be a very active offseason.
So we see.
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I'm perfectly fine. Blowouts happen. You have to bo on a receiving end sometimes as well. Game over, learn from it and move on. If we always played and lost like this than I would be concerned. It is just one game, we have 60 more to go.
We have never had the best of luck when the games are on TNT. I would like to see W-L ratio for that stat Bring on Go Kings 4.0 thread!!!!
Go Kings!!!
We have never had the best of luck when the games are on TNT. I would like to see W-L ratio for that stat
Bring on Go Kings 4.0 thread!!!!Go Kings!!!
Sometimes these games are all about matchups and i think the lakers took full advantage of that whereas the kings didnt. Kings will be able to win against most teams if they play well cos they are built that way, they can score inside and outside and can defend well inside and outside (not the way they played this game). Lakers are built in such a way that they can win only against certain teams and in particular teams that have a hole in the middle which the kings did in this game.
I dont see the lakers beating the spurs in a 7 game series and i would bet my house on that, but i wouldnt do that with the spurs beating the kings. kings do have a chance to beat the spurs in a series, not a great chance at this point but they do have a chance cos they have webb/miller in the middle who can make things happen.
As someone pointed out in this thread, bibby is a problem for the kings on the defensive end and that really takes the edge out. Every time bibby scored in the first quarter it was a struggle and he made them with his talent, whereas atkins just went for a layup drill which really takes the wind out of any team. He cannot watch the other player go for layup drills like that and if atkins and brown can do that think about the elite pgs. Another problem for him is that when his man makes him work on defense (very little of that) he disappears even on offense which makes me wonder if he is fully fit for an nba game on both ends of the floor. maybe he lacks the stamina for the full game, he did seem tired by end of first quarter.
Maybe other teams will take a clue from this and start attacking the pg position and unless Ra comes up with some scheme to bring help it might be very difficult. I am sure nash would have looked at this game tape
I dont see the lakers beating the spurs in a 7 game series and i would bet my house on that, but i wouldnt do that with the spurs beating the kings. kings do have a chance to beat the spurs in a series, not a great chance at this point but they do have a chance cos they have webb/miller in the middle who can make things happen.
As someone pointed out in this thread, bibby is a problem for the kings on the defensive end and that really takes the edge out. Every time bibby scored in the first quarter it was a struggle and he made them with his talent, whereas atkins just went for a layup drill which really takes the wind out of any team. He cannot watch the other player go for layup drills like that and if atkins and brown can do that think about the elite pgs. Another problem for him is that when his man makes him work on defense (very little of that) he disappears even on offense which makes me wonder if he is fully fit for an nba game on both ends of the floor. maybe he lacks the stamina for the full game, he did seem tired by end of first quarter.
Maybe other teams will take a clue from this and start attacking the pg position and unless Ra comes up with some scheme to bring help it might be very difficult. I am sure nash would have looked at this game tape
Maybe, as an outsider, it is not a good time to come here and talk, but I believe you guys are being too harsh on your team.
Kings actually didn't do wrong much. If you look at the stat line you'll see that you have as many rebounds as Lakers had, less turnovers, more shots... but their shots fell in while yours did not. When we won against Lakers, we didn't play much different than your style. The only difference was we have an offensive player on Kobe rather than a defensive specialist, which balances Kobe's scoring and makes him work on the defensive end as well so gets him tired.
We were a bit more aggressive on the boards, but we have also given open 3 point shot looks to Lakers. If you look at our game, you'll see that they have taken 26 3 point shots, converting 7 of them. In your game, they again took 26 3 pointers, but this time they converted 12 of them. When the opposing team starts to hit their outside shots, you have no choice but to extend your defense, which opens more offensive rebounding opportunity for the opposing team, but they mostly didn't need it, because they scored in their first attempt most of the time. Props also go to Lakers here for their well balanced attack and nice ball movement. Lakers got only 8 offensive boards while you got 15. Extending the defense helped Lakers big men though. Odom was able get one on one with Weber and his lateral quickness caused Webber problems. You couldn't help Webber, because then the ball would be kicked out and they'd score a 3 pointer. In our game, when Odom got the ball, aside from his defender we had always one other guy going back and forth like a jo-jo so that Odom cannot put the ball on the floor. If he passes, so what...
Meanwhile, when you guys were attacking, you also got many open looks, not that the Lakers defense was disturbing you a lot. But somewhere in the game your shots decided not to get in anymore. Seriously, check the shots you were taking and the Lakers taking. You won't see much difference. When this happened, you had to try to get your points inside (You took only 17 3 pt shots and you have better shooters), but Lakers put more bodies in the paint. Since you could not hit from outside as well, this worked very well for them. They crowded their defensive board thus giving you less second chance opportunities. And no, you couldn't have also 5 guys in the paint, because when that happens and if you miss the board it is going to come back to you as a fast break which will be even more frustrating.
Just a thought.
Kings actually didn't do wrong much. If you look at the stat line you'll see that you have as many rebounds as Lakers had, less turnovers, more shots... but their shots fell in while yours did not. When we won against Lakers, we didn't play much different than your style. The only difference was we have an offensive player on Kobe rather than a defensive specialist, which balances Kobe's scoring and makes him work on the defensive end as well so gets him tired.
We were a bit more aggressive on the boards, but we have also given open 3 point shot looks to Lakers. If you look at our game, you'll see that they have taken 26 3 point shots, converting 7 of them. In your game, they again took 26 3 pointers, but this time they converted 12 of them. When the opposing team starts to hit their outside shots, you have no choice but to extend your defense, which opens more offensive rebounding opportunity for the opposing team, but they mostly didn't need it, because they scored in their first attempt most of the time. Props also go to Lakers here for their well balanced attack and nice ball movement. Lakers got only 8 offensive boards while you got 15. Extending the defense helped Lakers big men though. Odom was able get one on one with Weber and his lateral quickness caused Webber problems. You couldn't help Webber, because then the ball would be kicked out and they'd score a 3 pointer. In our game, when Odom got the ball, aside from his defender we had always one other guy going back and forth like a jo-jo so that Odom cannot put the ball on the floor. If he passes, so what...
Meanwhile, when you guys were attacking, you also got many open looks, not that the Lakers defense was disturbing you a lot. But somewhere in the game your shots decided not to get in anymore. Seriously, check the shots you were taking and the Lakers taking. You won't see much difference. When this happened, you had to try to get your points inside (You took only 17 3 pt shots and you have better shooters), but Lakers put more bodies in the paint. Since you could not hit from outside as well, this worked very well for them. They crowded their defensive board thus giving you less second chance opportunities. And no, you couldn't have also 5 guys in the paint, because when that happens and if you miss the board it is going to come back to you as a fast break which will be even more frustrating.
Just a thought.
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What the . . . !
Did we lose the playoffs with this game?
I agree with Royal Diva, it's just one game. Although a loss to the Lakers may bring out the bad in some of us.
Fire Adelman, trade this and that, we should have signed "him" or the ever popular . . . "Why did we trade him?" It's too early to be bickering about this.
Save all those in case we miss the playoff, if we miss it or if we are on a 10 game losing streak.
A Laker lose in the early part of the season is not as bad as the 49ers win-loss record for a Niner fan like me.
Did we lose the playoffs with this game?
I agree with Royal Diva, it's just one game. Although a loss to the Lakers may bring out the bad in some of us.
Fire Adelman, trade this and that, we should have signed "him" or the ever popular . . . "Why did we trade him?" It's too early to be bickering about this.
Save all those in case we miss the playoff, if we miss it or if we are on a 10 game losing streak.
A Laker lose in the early part of the season is not as bad as the 49ers win-loss record for a Niner fan like me.
NO argument here. I choose to be optimistic and belive the Kings WILL improve. I have maintained from the early losses in Texas that most of this season would be an adjustment and learning season, with Webber testing and adjusting to his limits and the teamdoing so as well. Factor in a very tallented Miller at center, replacing Vlade and the need for testing and adjustment should be clear. I predicted two steps forward one step back... and I see this as a step back nothing more, nothing less.