OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

[Padrino]

Is everyone susprised that there hasn't been too much said about Chandler in free agency????? Maybe Petrie is up to something

What do you reckon about this idea (maybe a bit of a pipe dream but anyway)

S&T Darius Songaila to Wizards for Juan Dixon. We have expressed interest in Dixon and Wizards have shown some interest in Darius. With the departure of Bobby, I think we are in the market for a combo guard who can come off the bench and give us a scoring punch and a bit of spark. Washington do this as they get a player they like and get something for Dixon. We do it because it gives us a combo guard off the bench.

Trade Corliss Williamson to Clippers for a re-signed Zeljko Rebraca. Clippers do it to get some depth on the bench since Corliss is a former 6th man of the year. He has 2 years remaining on his contract and Clippers have salary cap room to absorb his salary. We do it because we get a genuine back up C who has skills to play in our system. Rebraca has a post up game and is a solid rebounder.

Use part of the MLE to sign Eddie Griffin as a back up 3/4. He brings athleticism, shotblocking, intensity and energy off the bench.

Sign Matt Barnes.

Now here comes the tricky part. Petrie works his magic and some how makes a multiple team trade that gets us Chandler. Unlikely I know but this is GP we are talking about

PG: Bibby
SG: Wells
SF: Stojakovic
PF: Chandler
C: Miller

Bench: Dixon, Griffin, Rebraca, Martin, Skinner, House, Garcia, Barnes.

Generally, Adelman uses a 8 or 9 man rotation. We have a 1/2 in Dixon, 3/4 in Griffin and 5 in Rebraca. Rebraca might not be a shotblocker but that is somewhat offset with the addition of Griffin and Chandler. We get more athletic and better defensively. We get a versatile bench with players that play multiple position.

What do you think of this team??????

not bad. much better defensively, and plenty capable offensively. i wouldnt mind seeing that team take the floor at arco this coming season. though you did forget to consider kenny thomas' minutes, and i'm not so sure the clips would bite for the aging williamson alone.

 

[Bricklayer]

not bad. much better defensively, and plenty capable offensively. i wouldnt mind seeing that team take the floor at arco this coming season. though you did forget to consider kenny thomas' minutes, and i'm not so sure the clips would bite for the aging williamson alone.

Um...there is this myth of Rebraca out there, but he is a VERY marginal player in the NBA. A 10-15 minute backup. Corliss is the much more accomplished player. Zeljko left most of his game in Europe. Not saying I see any reason for the Clippers to want Corliss, but its certainly not an uneven trade to trade Corliss for him. Just irrelevancies. But one of them a former 6th man of the year and starter. The other just a benchie.

 

[Bricklayer]

What do you think of this team??????

Well, obviously if we can somehow magically spirit Chandler out of Chicago without giving up any of the core guys, well time to dust off that old "genius" badge. Unfortunately I would say the odds of that are next to none barring something truly extraordinary.

 

[captain bill]

Is everyone susprised that there hasn't been too much said about Chandler in free agency????? Maybe Petrie is up to something

Am I suprised? No. Chandler is a restriced FA and the centerpiece of the Bulls' future. No one is saying anything because, barring something extraodinary and unforseen, he is staying in Chicago. He is worth every penny he gets. The Bulls are probably willing to give him the max, meaning he can't leave.

 

[hearns]

1) Re-sign M Evans (2-2.5 mill 1st year) and acquire rights of L Scola from San Antonio for a pick, or in a trade or someway.
2) - Sacramento trades M Evans, B Skinner and rights of L Scola for T Chandler
- Chicago trades T Chandler, E Robinson (expiring) for A Walker (5 mill 1st year), M Blount, M Evans and rights of L Scola.
- Boston trades M Blount, A Walker for E Robinson, B Skinner (and a pick from Sac if necessary)

 

[Bricklayer]

1) Re-sign M Evans (2-2.5 mill 1st year) and acquire rights of L Scola from San Antonio for a pick, or in a trade or someway.
2) - Sacramento trades M Evans, B Skinner and rights of L Scola for T Chandler
- Chicago trades T Chandler, E Robinson (expiring) for A Walker (5 mill 1st year), M Blount, M Evans and rights of L Scola.
- Boston trades M Blount, A Walker for E Robinson, B Skinner (and a pick from Sac if necessary)

I think people realy have to get realistic about Tyson Chandler. he is a) not as good right NOW as some people are making out; but b) has as much value as any non-superstar player in the league because of his size, athletcism and potential. Chicago is NOT going to trade him for Antoine Walker, Brian Skinner, Mateen Cleaves or the towel boy (althought the last two may be one and the same). You want Chandler, you have to get serious and send them a MAJOR piece somehow. Its not impossible he walks out of this summer with a max deal.

 

[Jose]

Well, I've refrained from posting my dream trade, but here is what I'd LOVE to see:

1) Kings match whatever offer Mo Evans gets.

2) Kings match whatever offer Songaila gets.

3) Kings trade Peja, Corliss and Songaila to Minnesota for KG + scrubs. We can throw in picks and add Martin or Garcia if needed, to make salaries work (our players = slightly more than KG's salary alone).

4) Kings sign Christie for vet's minimum

Kings lineup:

PG: Bibby / Christie / ??

SG: Wells / Martin / Garcia

SF: Thomas / Evans / ??

PF: Garnett / Skinner / Thomas (if needed)

C: Miller / Skinner / KG (if needed)

That's only 10 players, so there's room for whatever scrubs we get from the KG trade.

 

[piksi]

Did anyone consider trading Pedja for Ron Artest ?

 

[VF21]

Well, I've refrained from posting my dream trade, but here is what I'd LOVE to see:

1) Kings match whatever offer Mo Evans gets.

2) Kings match whatever offer Songaila gets.

3) Kings trade Peja, Corliss and Songaila to Minnesota for KG + scrubs. We can throw in picks and add Martin or Garcia if needed, to make salaries work (our players = slightly more than KG's salary alone).

4) Kings sign Christie for vet's minimum

Kings lineup:

PG: Bibby / Christie / ??

SG: Wells / Martin / Garcia

SF: Thomas / Evans / ??

PF: Garnett / Skinner / Thomas (if needed)

C: Miller / Skinner / KG (if needed)

That's only 10 players, so there's room for whatever scrubs we get from the KG trade.

The only thing you neglected to include was why Minnesota would trade Kevin Garnett for a soft shooter and some garbage.

 

[funkykingston]

The only thing you neglected to include was why Minnesota would trade Kevin Garnett for a soft shooter and some garbage.

Or why people keep thinking that Kenny Thomas would be able to do anything as a small forward except ruin the team's spacing and get torched on defense.

As for Chandler, I think the Kings chances of landing him are slim-to-none but would depend on two things: (1) How much do the Bulls like Luol Deng? Because if they are convinced he's a stud in waiting, then they have little interest in the Kings biggest trade chip, Peja Stojakovic. (2) How much do the Bulls like Kirk Hinrich as their starting PG? Because Mike Bibby is the only other King that I think could bring back Tyson in a trade. Because of Mike's talent and salary, that would mean the Bulls would need to send back other players.

I'd LOVE to see a guy like Chandler dropped into the current Kings starting lineup, but it just isn't going to happen. He isn't taking the MLE to come here, and the Bulls aren't going to deal him for scraps.

Considering the salary implications for Peja after this season, I'd be all in favor of dealing him for Chandler this offseason, but I wonder how much interest the Bulls have.

 

[Bricklayer]

Considering the salary implications for Peja after this season, I'd be all in favor of dealing him for Chandler this offseason, but I wonder how much interest the Bulls have.

I think the Peja theory there was always due to the Skiles connectin with Peja back fromt heir days in Greece, rather than looking at the Bulls roster in particular.

Maybe get a third team involved?

but in any case, I would agree that Chandler is such a huge, highly visible and desired piece that getting him would be a longshot at best. Petrie is not doing his job if he hasn't at least called, but whether Chicago would ever call back is another question altogether.

P.S. As an aside, KTs got a jumper ouot to about 18-20 feet. That's nto a terrible spacing issue for a SF. Many SFs are not great three point shooters. I think his ballhandling would be more of the issue.

 

[funkykingston]

P.S. As an aside, KTs got a jumper ouot to about 18-20 feet. That's nto a terrible spacing issue for a SF. Many SFs are not great three point shooters.

In the Kings current offense, wings have to move without the ball, something I don't see Thomas doing with any level of success.

In a more traditional offense, when a team runs an isolation or runs action on the strongside, the weakside players drift out to the perimeter. Thomas is a non threat out there, not just because he can't shoot from range, but because he lacks the ballhandling to catch the ball outside and drive or create a shot. I just see KT at small forward as being a guy teams can sag off of with little consequence. I think he'd end up (like Corliss) having to force the issue in the post to be effective as a three.

As a power forward his shooting and first step are well above average. As a small forward he would be guarded by guys much more able to close out on him quickly and who he'd have trouble blowing by on a drive. More than that, I can't imagine weakening the Kings D further by asking KT to guard the Tracy MacGradys and Rashard Lewises of the world. Pulling him further from the hoop defensively also takes away one of his strengths, being a good rebounder, especially for his size.

Thomas' contract and attitude cry out for a starting job, but in truth I think his skills are best suited to being a sixth or seventh man. If he comes in and is hitting on all cylinders offensively and rebounding wise, then you roll with him. If not, you shorten his minutes. Tougher to do when he's your starter. I don't want Kenny Thomas to start for the Kings at either forward spot, but if he has to, I'd rather he be the power forward.

 

[ONEZERO]

How many actually think both martin and garcia will be with us come season time?

 

[funkykingston]

How many actually think both martin and garcia will be with us come season time?

Considering that right now neither one has any trade value around the NBA, I'd guess that the odds are very good that they will both be Kings when the season starts. The only way I see either one traded is as a throw-in to balance salaries in a larger trade.

Personally, I think Martin could go a long way toward enhancing his trade value during this next season. I'm not sure what good it would do to deal him or Garcia considering what little they could bring back at this point in time.

 

[AleksandarN]

Considering that right now neither one has any trade value around the NBA, I'd guess that the odds are very good that they will both be Kings when the season starts. The only way I see either one traded is as a throw-in to balance salaries in a larger trade.

Personally, I think Martin could go a long way toward enhancing his trade value during this next season. I'm not sure what good it would do to deal him or Garcia considering what little they could bring back at this point in time.

I thin Gracia and MArtin have trade value around the league considering that they are very young and talented there always demand for young players with potential.

 

[nbrans]

I think the only context where Garcia and/or Martin would have trade value is with a team on a youth movement like Portland, New Orleans, Charlotte or Atlanta, packaged with one of our big men. For example, New Orleans might consider a trade of Corliss and Martin for, say, PJ Brown. But I really can't imagine that a contending team is going to have a role for them.

Yet another reason why I think the Kings are going to have some serious difficulty accomplishing any trades to shore up the PF position. The only way a team would trade one of their big men is if they could get one of our big men plus some talent in return. Basically, the only teams who would want Garcia or Martin are the teams listed above, and Al Harrington, PJ Brown or Theo Ratliff are the only players the Kings could conceivably get from them. And they're not exactly major upgrades.

 

[ONEZERO]

But what place do they "both" have left on the team? Funny how I ask this question when I myself think they will still be here. But I seriously can't see where they would fit in. I mean u could always have 1 play backup 2 guard and 1 play backup to the 3, but where does that put corliss? It should be an interesting next couple of months nontheless.

 

[funkykingston]

Well, it's basically the same scenario as last year with Christie/Mobley starting and Evans and Martin fighting for minutes behind them.

 

[VF21]

But what place do they "both" have left on the team? Funny how I ask this question when I myself think they will still be here. But I seriously can't see where they would fit in. I mean u could always have 1 play backup 2 guard and 1 play backup to the 3, but where does that put corliss? It should be an interesting next couple of months nontheless.

Martin has one year experience and Garcia is a rookie. For the first time in a very long time, we have the potential to have two developing players at the same time.

I'm reasonably sure they'll stay - the acquisition of Wells doesn't really change anything. We have a roster that can carry 14 players. There is plenty of room for both of them, especially if we utilize a rotation where we have, in essence, two multi-purpose guards on the court while Bibby and Wells take a breather. I think you're overanalyzing the role players right now. We still have a couple of major considerations such as the PF to worry about.

Remember, Wells is in the last year of his contract. I don't see Petrie giving away one of the "kids" until and unless he knows for sure that Bonzi is going to work out...

 

[Kings113]

How many actually think both martin and garcia will be with us come season time?

I don't, Martin could well be used in a trade.

 

[VF21]

I don't, Martin could well be used in a trade.

Martin doesn't have much trade value at this point. His salary is minimal so it wouldn't really make much sense to throw him in with another player and he certainly hasn't played enough to be desirable on his own yet...

 

[Kings113]

Well, we just shall see what the GM does.

 

[VF21]

Yep, we sure will. And what he won't do is trade away a promising second-year player who is working hard, learning the system, earning more playing time, etc. As I said, his salary isn't worth adding on with another player. They want to develop Martin and Garcia, especially this year since Wells is on a one-year trial basis.

 

[Kings113]

I still stand by one of my predictions. Martin isn't untradeable also, as Petrie said no one on the roster is (though he's kinda made it clear, Peja won't be going anywhere). But, as I've said, I ultimately think he'll be staying because of the likely-hood of Mo not being here. I just hope he bulks up more (he supposedly did like 7-9 lbs already, but that of course isn't enough) and does well in camp and pre-season.

Expect the unexpected.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yep, we sure will. And what he won't do is trade away a promising second-year player who is working hard, learning the system, earning more playing time, etc. As I said, his salary isn't worth adding on with another player. They want to develop Martin and Garcia, especially this year since Wells is on a one-year trial basis.

I'm not at all sure of that now with Bonzi on board. Kevin could end up being a nice little sweetener in a deal to get a real PF. As could Cisco for that matter. But I think of the two, Cisco is the more natural fit for the system, and has the "freshness" factor, while Kevin might have attracted a little attention in summer league etc. Doesn't mean it WILL happen, could certainly end up going into nest season with Bibby/Bonzi backed up by Christie(?)/Martin, with Cisco as the 5th guard able to play a bit of both. But if there's a deal out there to be made, and Kevin can make it happen, I have little doubt hat trigger is pulled. #We have precious few truly attractive trading pieces left now, and a young OG with some potential could be the extra sweetner that makes the difference between making a deal for a PF or not.

 

[Kings113]

I'm not at all sure of that now with Bonzi on board. Kevin could end up being a nice little sweetener in a deal to get a real PF. As could Cisco for that matter. But I think of the two, Cisco is the more natural fit for the system, nad has the "dreshness" factor, while Kevin might have attracted a little attention in summer league etc. Doesn't mean it WILL happen, could certainly end up going into nest season with Bibby/Bonzi backed up by Christie(?)/Martin, with Cisco as the 5th guard able to play a bit of both. But if there's a deal out there to be made, and Kevin can make it happen, I have little doubt hat trigger is pulled. #We have precious few truly attractive trading pieces left now, and a young OG with some potential could be the extra sweetner that makes the difference between making a deal for a PF or not.

Exactly what I meant by "used in a trade", since another trade is on the horizon, it's obviously going to be for a PF, and we should use any piece possible to get that player. I agree w/ you on Martin/Garcia comparision as well, Garcia's the better prospect because of his versatility, and who knows how well he develops those skills.

 

[VF21]

I'm not at all sure of that now with Bonzi on board. Kevin could end up being a nice little sweetener in a deal to get a real PF. As could Cisco for that matter. But I think of the two, Cisco is the more natural fit for the system, nad has the "dreshness" factor, while Kevin might have attracted a little attention in summer league etc. Doesn't mean it WILL happen, could certainly end up going into nest season with Bibby/Bonzi backed up by Christie(?)/Martin, with Cisco as the 5th guard able to play a bit of both. But if there's a deal out there to be made, and Kevin can make it happen, I have little doubt hat trigger is pulled. #We have precious few truly attractive trading pieces left now, and a young OG with some potential could be the extra sweetner that makes the difference between making a deal for a PF or not.

Granted, it COULD happen. I am praying, however, that it doesn't without a REALLY GOOD return. We have to start developing some young talent. Both Martin and Garcia have potential and I would love to see them actually get a chance to devleop it HERE instead of somewhere else. I look at the Spurs and I see a team that has brought along their young players, has kept their star and added excellent role players along the way. If they could do it, why in the hell couldn't we? If our core is, in fact, going to be Mike, Peja and Brad, then I definitely want to see some youth being nurtured and brought up within the system.

I am getting icnreasingly irritated about the "few truly attractive trading pieces left" scenario, because our trade last February was supposed to make it easier to trade. It obviously didn't...

Bottom line is I'm not sure any longer that Petrie is the wizard I once thought he was. I guess I'm waiting for him to pull that really BIG rabbit out of his hat...

 

[Kings113]

"Both Martin and Garcia have potential and I would love to see them actually get a chance to devleop it HERE instead of somewhere else. I look at the Spurs and I see a team that has brought along their young players, has kept their star and added excellent role players along the way. If they could do it, why in the hell couldn't we? If our core is, in fact, going to be Mike, Peja and Brad, then I definitely want to see some youth being nurtured and brought up within the system."

I agree with that, but if he has to be used in a trade for a PF (going back to what I said earlier), our biggest need, I say definitely go for it. It's not definite Martin will be used in a trade, because there may not be a need for him as the "cherry on top", but of course teams could want that too, which is why I've been saying "could" with trading Martin.

 

[allrightythen]

Granted, it COULD happen. I am praying, however, that it doesn't without a REALLY GOOD return. We have to start developing some young talent. Both Martin and Garcia have potential and I would love to see them actually get a chance to devleop it HERE instead of somewhere else. I look at the Spurs and I see a team that has brought along their young players, has kept their star and added excellent role players along the way. If they could do it, why in the hell couldn't we? If our core is, in fact, going to be Mike, Peja and Brad, then I definitely want to see some youth being nurtured and brought up within the system.

I am getting icnreasingly irritated about the "few truly attractive trading pieces left" scenario, because our trade last February was supposed to make it easier to trade. It obviously didn't...

Bottom line is I'm not sure any longer that Petrie is the wizard I once thought he was. I guess I'm waiting for him to pull that really BIG rabbit out of his hat...

I've got to agree with you here. Unless we get something that puts us over the top, I do not want to see either of the young kids go. Especially considering they are decently sized for thier position and are athletic and quick. Pretty much what we have been lacking and frustrated about of late. It may also just be the fact that I get so excited seeing young guys come into thier own and develop that I'm over anxious to see it happen here. I'm not sure which way it is, but both guys seem to have a very good upside and also seem to be genuinely good people so I would really prefer to see them reach their potential in the purple and black(or whatever colors it ends up as).

 

[ParniValjak]

I'm not at all sure of that now with Bonzi on board. Kevin could end up being a nice little sweetener in a deal to get a real PF. As could Cisco for that matter. But I think of the two, Cisco is the more natural fit for the system, nad has the "dreshness" factor, while Kevin might have attracted a little attention in summer league etc. Doesn't mean it WILL happen, could certainly end up going into nest season with Bibby/Bonzi backed up by Christie(?)/Martin, with Cisco as the 5th guard able to play a bit of both. But if there's a deal out there to be made, and Kevin can make it happen, I have little doubt hat trigger is pulled. #We have precious few truly attractive trading pieces left now, and a young OG with some potential could be the extra sweetner that makes the difference between making a deal for a PF or not.

Word.