OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)
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It's strange but the only people who see the Sixers deal as a bad one are, for the most part, Kings fans. The Sixers got rid of some ugly contracts, they'll have a huge expiring contract after next year - and they have a guy who can still play the game and contribute. With the addition of Mo Cheeks to the fold, I think some people just might be kicking themselves next year for being so anxious to get rid of Webber.
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It's strange but the only people who see the Sixers deal as a bad one are, for the most part, Kings fans. The Sixers got rid of some ugly contracts, they'll have a huge expiring contract after next year - and they have a guy who can still play the game and contribute. With the addition of Mo Cheeks to the fold, I think some people just might be kicking themselves next year for being so anxious to get rid of Webber.
Bobby Jackson and Kenny Thomas for Carlos Boozers
the utah jazz are trying to unload the big contract of carlos boozer... boozer is still young and has some upside... he is a hardnosed rebounder and a tough defender... the jazz are looking for a veteran point guard to ease the way for first round pick deron williams... kenny thomas will be a cheaper alternative at PF for the jazz (he would save the jazz ($24 mil over the contract)... i think this might be a trade that is a win-win for all involved...
the utah jazz are trying to unload the big contract of carlos boozer... boozer is still young and has some upside... he is a hardnosed rebounder and a tough defender... the jazz are looking for a veteran point guard to ease the way for first round pick deron williams... kenny thomas will be a cheaper alternative at PF for the jazz (he would save the jazz ($24 mil over the contract)... i think this might be a trade that is a win-win for all involved...
I would take that
Significant upgrade at PF position both offensively and defensively and if you get a better defensive SG say Bonzi Wells, you have improved the defensive side of this team significantly.
We lose Bobby but we would be getting someone younger who addresses our position in biggest need of addressing. On the negative side, we get back a long and big contract
Significant upgrade at PF position both offensively and defensively and if you get a better defensive SG say Bonzi Wells, you have improved the defensive side of this team significantly.
We lose Bobby but we would be getting someone younger who addresses our position in biggest need of addressing. On the negative side, we get back a long and big contract
I woke up today feeling the Bonzi thing is a reality. IMO it'd be a nice fix for part of what we need, and because of his "Bonziness" (fouls, insanity, stitches) it would allow for Garcia/Martin to get their minutes (i'm rooting Garcia).
Bonzi and even a slight upgrade over Skinner/Williamson would make the Kings a top 5 team, as long as we give up nothing more than those two or bobby/thomas. Frankly I think we could lose all four guys for Bonzi and a forward upgrade and be improved.
Bonzi and even a slight upgrade over Skinner/Williamson would make the Kings a top 5 team, as long as we give up nothing more than those two or bobby/thomas. Frankly I think we could lose all four guys for Bonzi and a forward upgrade and be improved.
Actually I beleive one of the reasons the Jazz tired of Boozer so quickly is becuase of his defense, or lack thereof (also a heart question). He's another short PF. But he's got a post game and beats what we've got now. Also young, and may still have some improvement left in him -- with a little improvement still could be 20-10. So if that were the deal I think it would be worth it, but it certainly would not dramatically upgrade our ability to shut down the lane. Boozer blks/gm last yr: 0.47. Kenny Thomas: 0.23. Mike Bibby: 0.38. Kind of makes you wish you had Webb and his gimpy knee back about now -- One-kneed Webb: 0.79.
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Drew Gooden Available
word out of clevland is that now since clevland signed donyell marshall, they are looking to trade Drew Gooden... he is young, and a good offensive presence, but his defense is not so good... he has some shot blocking ability and averaged 9.2 reb/game.... it's been said he may be available for a starting point guard... bobby jackson for drew gooden anyone????
word out of clevland is that now since clevland signed donyell marshall, they are looking to trade Drew Gooden... he is young, and a good offensive presence, but his defense is not so good... he has some shot blocking ability and averaged 9.2 reb/game.... it's been said he may be available for a starting point guard... bobby jackson for drew gooden anyone????
OFFSEASON PLAN #364.7(c):
Move 1:
Have Petrie do whatever sneaky thing he is trying to do to get Shareef for $60mil (!!). Lose some of our contracts in the process.
Move 2:
Get Bonzi, for Bobby & Corliss (has been the standard idea, but alter as necessary)
Move 3:
throw the MLE at Eddie Griffin
Move 4:
Go to Chicago and offer Peja + remaining big(s) (KT if still around? Darius in S&T unless it eats our MLE?) for Tyson Chandler and Andres Nocioni.
Try to keep:
Miller (definite)
Bibby (definite)
Cisco (if possible)
Martin (if possible)
Skinner (if possible)
traded: Peja, Bobby, Tag, Corliss, KT, possibly Darius or Mo is S&T if does not kill out MLE, draft picks for flavoring, and if really necessary Skinner, Martin or Cisco
Return with team of:
Miller
Chandler
Shareef
Wells
Bibby
Griffin
Nocioni
Skinner (hopefully)
Martin (hopefully)
Cisco (hopefully)
With Chandler, Griffin, Skinner, nobody ever converts a layup against us again -- must say, its pretty damn easy to win big on paper.
Move 1:
Have Petrie do whatever sneaky thing he is trying to do to get Shareef for $60mil (!!). Lose some of our contracts in the process.
Move 2:
Get Bonzi, for Bobby & Corliss (has been the standard idea, but alter as necessary)
Move 3:
throw the MLE at Eddie Griffin
Move 4:
Go to Chicago and offer Peja + remaining big(s) (KT if still around? Darius in S&T unless it eats our MLE?) for Tyson Chandler and Andres Nocioni.
Try to keep:
Miller (definite)
Bibby (definite)
Cisco (if possible)
Martin (if possible)
Skinner (if possible)
traded: Peja, Bobby, Tag, Corliss, KT, possibly Darius or Mo is S&T if does not kill out MLE, draft picks for flavoring, and if really necessary Skinner, Martin or Cisco
Return with team of:
Miller
Chandler
Shareef
Wells
Bibby
Griffin
Nocioni
Skinner (hopefully)
Martin (hopefully)
Cisco (hopefully)
With Chandler, Griffin, Skinner, nobody ever converts a layup against us again -- must say, its pretty damn easy to win big on paper.
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Bricklayer said:
OFFSEASON PLAN #364.7(c):
Move 1:
Have Petrie do whatever sneaky thing he is trying to do to get Shareef for $60mil (!!). Lose some of our contracts in the process.
Move 2:
Get Bonzi, for Bobby & Corliss (has been the standard idea, but alter as necessary)
Move 3:
throw the MLE at Eddie Griffin
Move 4:
Go to Chicago and offer Peja + remaining big(s) (KT if still around? Darius in S&T unless it eats our MLE?) for Tyson Chandler and Andres Nocioni.
Try to keep:
Miller (definite)
Bibby (definite)
Cisco (if possible)
Martin (if possible)
Skinner (if possible)
traded: Peja, Bobby, Tag, Corliss, KT, possibly Darius or Mo is S&T if does not kill out MLE, draft picks for flavoring, and if really necessary Skinner, Martin or Cisco
Return with team of:
Miller
Chandler
Shareef
Wells
Bibby
Griffin
Nocioni
Skinner (hopefully)
Martin (hopefully)
Cisco (hopefully)
With Chandler, Griffin, Skinner, nobody ever converts a layup against us again -- must say, its pretty damn easy to win big on paper.
Move 1:
Have Petrie do whatever sneaky thing he is trying to do to get Shareef for $60mil (!!). Lose some of our contracts in the process.
Move 2:
Get Bonzi, for Bobby & Corliss (has been the standard idea, but alter as necessary)
Move 3:
throw the MLE at Eddie Griffin
Move 4:
Go to Chicago and offer Peja + remaining big(s) (KT if still around? Darius in S&T unless it eats our MLE?) for Tyson Chandler and Andres Nocioni.
Try to keep:
Miller (definite)
Bibby (definite)
Cisco (if possible)
Martin (if possible)
Skinner (if possible)
traded: Peja, Bobby, Tag, Corliss, KT, possibly Darius or Mo is S&T if does not kill out MLE, draft picks for flavoring, and if really necessary Skinner, Martin or Cisco
Return with team of:
Miller
Chandler
Shareef
Wells
Bibby
Griffin
Nocioni
Skinner (hopefully)
Martin (hopefully)
Cisco (hopefully)
With Chandler, Griffin, Skinner, nobody ever converts a layup against us again -- must say, its pretty damn easy to win big on paper.
OK, fair enough.
Move 1: Along the same lines as yours but with specifics.
Sacramento outgoing: Thomas (to Atlanta via Portland) and a 1st to Portland
Sacramento incoming: SAR from Portland
Portland outgoing: Thomas (from Sac) to Atlanta
Portland incoming: 1st from Sac and a 2nd from Atlanta
Atlanta incoming: Thomas (from Sac via Portland)
Atlanta outgoing: 2nd to Portland
Sacramento gets the player they want exchanging one bad contract (SAR @ $60 million for ?) for another (Thomas) at the price of 1st. Next years draft is expected to be weak, so many not a huge cost.
Portland gets their picks.
Atlanta gets a eastern conference starter caliber player at the cheap cost of a 2nd
Move 2) Tag, Corliss and Bobby for Wells and Wright from Memphis
I don't do your moves 3 & 4. Move 3 simply 'cause I don't know if team needs two head cases. Move 4 simply because I don't think Chicago bites and the loss of Peja (contract concerns withstanding) I'm afraid will have a similiar effect as the Christie trade. (i.e. on paper looks good, then on the court has undesirable negative effect because teams begin cheating negating the improvement gained by the post and slashing players obtained)
I do like yours better, at least on paper.
Move 1: Along the same lines as yours but with specifics.
Sacramento outgoing: Thomas (to Atlanta via Portland) and a 1st to Portland
Sacramento incoming: SAR from Portland
Portland outgoing: Thomas (from Sac) to Atlanta
Portland incoming: 1st from Sac and a 2nd from Atlanta
Atlanta incoming: Thomas (from Sac via Portland)
Atlanta outgoing: 2nd to Portland
Sacramento gets the player they want exchanging one bad contract (SAR @ $60 million for ?) for another (Thomas) at the price of 1st. Next years draft is expected to be weak, so many not a huge cost.
Portland gets their picks.
Atlanta gets a eastern conference starter caliber player at the cheap cost of a 2nd
Move 2) Tag, Corliss and Bobby for Wells and Wright from Memphis
I don't do your moves 3 & 4. Move 3 simply 'cause I don't know if team needs two head cases. Move 4 simply because I don't think Chicago bites and the loss of Peja (contract concerns withstanding) I'm afraid will have a similiar effect as the Christie trade. (i.e. on paper looks good, then on the court has undesirable negative effect because teams begin cheating negating the improvement gained by the post and slashing players obtained)
I do like yours better, at least on paper.
I doubt it. No idea why this team could not run if our slowfooted softies can do it. Leave the coach -- still plenty of scorers, more athleticism, and we might actually have a chance to have the ball off of defensive stops and rebounds rather than always having to take it out under the hoop. If Skinner/Thomas/Peja/Mobley/Bibby can score 115 so can Miller/Chandler/Shareef/Bonzi/Bibby. Still no title without a stud. But no more embarrassing 115pt defensive efforts in the playoffs etiher. Have to earn it against that team.
P.S. I forgot -- resign House as the backup PG to get a little extra shooting.
P.S. I forgot -- resign House as the backup PG to get a little extra shooting.
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Bricklayer said:
OFFSEASON PLAN #364.7(c):
Move 1:
Have Petrie do whatever sneaky thing he is trying to do to get Shareef for $60mil (!!). Lose some of our contracts in the process.
Move 2:
Get Bonzi, for Bobby & Corliss (has been the standard idea, but alter as necessary)
Move 3:
throw the MLE at Eddie Griffin
Move 4:
Go to Chicago and offer Peja + remaining big(s) (KT if still around? Darius in S&T unless it eats our MLE?) for Tyson Chandler and Andres Nocioni.
Try to keep:
Miller (definite)
Bibby (definite)
Cisco (if possible)
Martin (if possible)
Skinner (if possible)
traded: Peja, Bobby, Tag, Corliss, KT, possibly Darius or Mo is S&T if does not kill out MLE, draft picks for flavoring, and if really necessary Skinner, Martin or Cisco
Return with team of:
Miller
Chandler
Shareef
Wells
Bibby
Griffin
Nocioni
Skinner (hopefully)
Martin (hopefully)
Cisco (hopefully)
With Chandler, Griffin, Skinner, nobody ever converts a layup against us again -- must say, its pretty damn easy to win big on paper.
Move 1:
Have Petrie do whatever sneaky thing he is trying to do to get Shareef for $60mil (!!). Lose some of our contracts in the process.
Move 2:
Get Bonzi, for Bobby & Corliss (has been the standard idea, but alter as necessary)
Move 3:
throw the MLE at Eddie Griffin
Move 4:
Go to Chicago and offer Peja + remaining big(s) (KT if still around? Darius in S&T unless it eats our MLE?) for Tyson Chandler and Andres Nocioni.
Try to keep:
Miller (definite)
Bibby (definite)
Cisco (if possible)
Martin (if possible)
Skinner (if possible)
traded: Peja, Bobby, Tag, Corliss, KT, possibly Darius or Mo is S&T if does not kill out MLE, draft picks for flavoring, and if really necessary Skinner, Martin or Cisco
Return with team of:
Miller
Chandler
Shareef
Wells
Bibby
Griffin
Nocioni
Skinner (hopefully)
Martin (hopefully)
Cisco (hopefully)
With Chandler, Griffin, Skinner, nobody ever converts a layup against us again -- must say, its pretty damn easy to win big on paper.
My only hope there is that by making it Peja + a big guy for Chandler/Nocioni that that means that we are giving up $14.5 million in salary, meaning that Chandler is getting $12 mil or so (the rest to Nocioni) and maybe the Bulls get gunshy at that amount (of course then Peja's upcoming max would be a problme too, and it is Chicago, should have plenty of money). Also should note that if the guy that went along was Thomas, Chicago would actually come out of the deal with an impressive +/- in pts that might (MIGHT) be of in interest to a team who had problems scoring at times last year. The "we need a big time scorer to take the next step" theory. I'd be onboard throwing in picks to make it happen as well.
But I agree. There would be a degree of stupidity in trading away your shotblocking if you're Chicago. That's why this is easier to do ythis on paper than in real life.
But I agree. There would be a degree of stupidity in trading away your shotblocking if you're Chicago. That's why this is easier to do ythis on paper than in real life.
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SacTownKid said:
God all you look at is blocking statistics, huh? Shutting down the lane and blocking shots aren't always the same thing.
Shutting down the lane and blocking shots aren't always the same thing.
The Webb stats were just to illustrate how sad you have to be to be that low, as were the Bibby stats. A one legged man and a PG block as many/more shots than you do, you've got a serious deficiency. Particularly when you're teamed with Brad and Peja, who suck themselves.
Final four teams last year had Duncan, Wallace, Shaq and Amare in there. Not a coincidence.
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Interesting question, but doubt it in the pros -- quick PGs would harass the hell out of him.
I don't like squishing the kids, but I think Bonzi could potentially be very good for us and could well be worth it. Cat? No. Wasn't really helping. Wouodl likely ratehr see if Kevin or Cisco was for real. But Bonzi is tough, rebounds, defends, plays in the post. More I have thought about it, the better idea I have thought it was. But the kids really look to be pretty much pure OGs, and that is going to really squish them (until Rick does his small ball thing and swings Bonzi up to SF ala Jimmy Jackson).
I don't like squishing the kids, but I think Bonzi could potentially be very good for us and could well be worth it. Cat? No. Wasn't really helping. Wouodl likely ratehr see if Kevin or Cisco was for real. But Bonzi is tough, rebounds, defends, plays in the post. More I have thought about it, the better idea I have thought it was. But the kids really look to be pretty much pure OGs, and that is going to really squish them (until Rick does his small ball thing and swings Bonzi up to SF ala Jimmy Jackson).
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i wouldnt mind bonzi wells, for the right price. somebody mentioned earlier (i think it may have been you, brick) that because of bonzi's attitude and tendency to commit fouls, as well as his penchant for earning technical fouls, he has never averaged more than the mid thirties for minutes per game in a season. he would start for the kings, and the kids would be squished, but there would be minutes to be had. it wouldn't be wise to play bonzi at the PG heavily, but he could get a few minutes here and there at that position. and, hell, we'd actually be playing big for once, just at the wrong positions. also, its not unappealing to me to think of both wells and b-jax on the court at the same time. the offense would be extremely erratic, because neither has a real tendency to pass the ball a lot, but we'd be damn tough at the 1 and 2 guard position. b-jax aint big, but he plays big. so does wells. thats a tough guard attack there, and not a bad one defensively, assuming b-jax's wheels dont break down in typical kings fashion. its all just speculation, but we could do worse than wells in the current free agent market. much worse. (*cough*antoinewalker*cough*)
also, its not unappealing to me to think of both wells and b-jax on the court at the same time. the offense would be extremely erratic, because neither has a real tendency to pass the ball a lot, but we'd be damn tough at the 1 and 2 guard position. b-jax aint big, but he plays big. so does wells. thats a tough guard attack there, and not a bad one defensively, assuming b-jax's wheels dont break down in typical kings fashion. its all just speculation, but we could do worse than wells in the current free agent market. much worse. (*cough*antoinewalker*cough*)
Ok. Chicago signs Chandler for 5 years for 45 mil, We trade Them Thomas & Jackson for him and a 2nd Rounder. We Re-sign Darius Songaila, Sign Wells when he is released, and use the rest of the MLE on Steve Blake <-- Great Point guard so that gives us
C-Chandler/Ostertag
PF-Miller/Songaila/Skinner
SF- Stojakovic/Williamson
SG- Wells/Martin/Garcia
PG-Bibby/Blake/Garcia
I can dream...
C-Chandler/Ostertag
PF-Miller/Songaila/Skinner
SF- Stojakovic/Williamson
SG- Wells/Martin/Garcia
PG-Bibby/Blake/Garcia
I can dream...
If Antoine Walker is going to be the next King's pf, I think the 'less bad' Kings can do is something like:
- Trade C Williamson or K Thomas to San Antonio for R Nesterovic and rights of Luis Scola
Then, send Nesterovic to Seattle or to Atlanta for a pick.
- Boston trade A Walker (5 mill/year) and M Blount for E Robinson (expiring contract) and B Skinner.
- Chicago trade E Robinson contract for M Blount and rights of Luis Scola (a player they like)
- Sacramento trade B Skinner and rights of Luis Scola for A Walker
- Trade C Williamson or K Thomas to San Antonio for R Nesterovic and rights of Luis Scola
Then, send Nesterovic to Seattle or to Atlanta for a pick.
- Boston trade A Walker (5 mill/year) and M Blount for E Robinson (expiring contract) and B Skinner.
- Chicago trade E Robinson contract for M Blount and rights of Luis Scola (a player they like)
- Sacramento trade B Skinner and rights of Luis Scola for A Walker
So out of all that we end up with Anotine Walker and a pick?
Frankly, we would be better off just stopping after stage 1, and bringin home Rasho (and Scola) for KT or Corliss. We could use the shotblocking and a second legit big man. But have no idea why San Antonio would do that at all. Corliss has a shorter deal than Rasho, but have to beleive they could do better and not deal with a potential rival, far though we may have fallen.
Frankly, we would be better off just stopping after stage 1, and bringin home Rasho (and Scola) for KT or Corliss. We could use the shotblocking and a second legit big man. But have no idea why San Antonio would do that at all. Corliss has a shorter deal than Rasho, but have to beleive they could do better and not deal with a potential rival, far though we may have fallen.