OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

starks said:
we definitely have to explore an option of getting rasho from sas via trade (he costs more than MLE) but do we have anything that sas need?....corlss + mo sign and trade?...rasho is not athletic (brick) but he is decent rebounder and shoot blocker
If it's the last thing possible, maybe, but I'd rather trade for someone who can give us rebounding, shot blocking, AND a healthy bit of athleticism. The last thing we need is an expensive big guy that ends up riding the bench for most of the game (as he did in SA).
 
I love Doug, he was one of my 3 favorit kings players (other two are Vlade and Bobby) but I would rather develop Martin and Garcia which will not be the case if he is on the roster.
 
outsider62 said:
I love Doug, he was one of my 3 favorit kings players (other two are Vlade and Bobby) but I would rather develop Martin and Garcia which will not be the case if he is on the roster.
yes, that is the one problem with bringing him back. I think that adelman would play him too much. What I mean is just to have him as a mentor for the guys, buff up defense and have as a back up for Bibby. If that would be possible then I would LOVE to see him back.
 
I would trade Skinner and Corliss for Theo. Then use some or all of our MLE on Steven Hunter. Then I would trade KT for ?????? (preferrably a backup PG or a pick I dont know) because he wouldnt take a backup role and we could get some talent for him. Sign Matt Barnes if we have the room.
PG: Mike, KT trade?
SG:Bonzi,Kevin,Francisco
SF:peja, FA/Matt Barnes
PF:Theo, Brad
C:Brad,Steven Hunter, Theo
 
IF those trades went through, I wouldn't trade Thomas. A 3 player rotation for C/PF is not a good idea. Keep on Thomas, use Theo/Thomas for PF and Brad/Hunter at C, might not be a bad idea. Although I don't think the Ratliff deal would go through.
 

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captain bill said:
IF those trades went through, I wouldn't trade Thomas. A 3 player rotation for C/PF is not a good idea. Keep on Thomas, use Theo/Thomas for PF and Brad/Hunter at C, might not be a bad idea. Although I don't think the Ratliff deal would go through.
Actually I think a three player big man otation is just about perfect ala the Wallace/Wallace/Mcdyess trio in Detroit or our own Vlade/Webb/Pollard trio here. Third guy is a big PF/C type. Just not enough minutes to play 4 guys at two positions, unless you just don't have a big off the bench good enough to earn big minutes at that #3 position.
 

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Bricklayer said:
Actually I think a three player big man otation is just about perfect ala the Wallace/Wallace/Mcdyess trio in Detroit or our own Vlade/Webb/Pollard trio here. Third guy is a big PF/C type. Just not enough minutes to play 4 guys at two positions, unless you just don't have a big off the bench good enough to earn big minutes at that #3 position.
At least until about 3 games into the season when someone breaks a limb and then you have nobody to sub in at all....

We need at least 4 big men, preferrably 5, to cope with the inevitable injury bug.
 
Warhawk said:
At least until about 3 games into the season when someone breaks a limb and then you have nobody to sub in at all....

We need at least 4 big men, preferrably 5, to cope with the inevitable injury bug.
Even though this is the Sacramento Kings, you can't look at it that way. Rick doesn't go past a 9 man rotation most times anyhow so you have to look at who you can bring in that has the most ability and/or brings something you need. But Ratliffs contract is SCARY for a 33 year old
 

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:D I love it. The Theo Ratliff talk is back. If Portland will take Kenny Thomas, I love that trade. It saves us money in the long run and gets us a better bench piece. I'd rather he was our backup C/PF than our starting PF, but it doesn't look like there's a lot of alternatives available.
 
starks said:
we definitely have to explore an option of getting rasho from sas via trade (he costs more than MLE) but do we have anything that sas need?....corlss + mo sign and trade?...rasho is not athletic (brick) but he is decent rebounder and shoot blocker
for some reason, i think petrie may have his eyes set on a center intead of a power forward, opposite of what everyone is thinking... i think the kings may be adverse to using the full MLE on any one player, so i think that petrie is thinking trade more than FA signing... rasho nesterovic seems to fit the bill for the kings... a rebounder and shot blocker at the center position and move brad miller to power forward.... i think rasho could be had for Brian Skinner (or corliss) and a sign and traded mo evans....

Kings would have alot of size on the front line, but won't be very athletic....

PF Brad Miller/ Thomas
SF Peja Stojokovic/ Williamson
C Rasho Nesterovic/ FA (Hunter?)
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ (FA House?)
 
kingsofnba said:
for some reason, i think petrie may have his eyes set on a center intead of a power forward, opposite of what everyone is thinking... i think the kings may be adverse to using the full MLE on any one player, so i think that petrie is thinking trade more than FA signing... rasho nesterovic seems to fit the bill for the kings... a rebounder and shot blocker at the center position and move brad miller to power forward.... i think rasho could be had for Brian Skinner (or corliss) and a sign and traded mo evans....

Kings would have alot of size on the front line, but won't be very athletic....

PF Brad Miller/ Thomas
SF Peja Stojokovic/ Williamson
C Rasho Nesterovic/ FA (Hunter?)
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ (FA House?)
I also think that they're going to be looking closely at centers, but that lineup frightens me. That frontline, across the board, is about as unathletic as it gets. Combine that with a not-so-speedy Mike Bibby, and we will have some awful transition defense. Somehow we've got to find an athlete out there.
 
kingsofnba said:
for some reason, i think petrie may have his eyes set on a center intead of a power forward, opposite of what everyone is thinking... i think the kings may be adverse to using the full MLE on any one player, so i think that petrie is thinking trade more than FA signing... rasho nesterovic seems to fit the bill for the kings... a rebounder and shot blocker at the center position and move brad miller to power forward.... i think rasho could be had for Brian Skinner (or corliss) and a sign and traded mo evans....

Kings would have alot of size on the front line, but won't be very athletic....

PF Brad Miller/ Thomas
SF Peja Stojokovic/ Williamson
C Rasho Nesterovic/ FA (Hunter?)
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ (FA House?)
:eek:

Rasho is WAY overpaid. He is on very similar salary to Brad Miller and Brad is MILES better than Rasho. Rasho would be handy but we would be better off offering that money to someone else.
 

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Čarolija said:
:eek:

Rasho is WAY overpaid. He is on very similar salary to Brad Miller and Brad is MILES better than Rasho. Rasho would be handy but we would be better off offering that money to someone else.
I was actually surprised to see that Rasho is only being paid $6.7 mil next year. I've always thought he was soft, but in a center starved league he is a legit starter and shotblocker, so 6-7 mil really isn't that out of line for that caliber of big man.

Considering that Theo Ratliff's name has been thrown out here with a salary nearly twice as large...
 
Bricklayer said:
I was actually surprised to see that Rasho is only being paid $6.7 mil next year. I've always thought he was soft, but in a center starved league he is a legit starter and shotblocker, so 6-7 mil really isn't that out of line for that caliber of big man.

Considering that Theo Ratliff's name has been thrown out here with a salary nearly twice as large...
Yeah, I just checked his salary on hoopshype and he is being paid less than I originally thought.

Maybe we could trade Kenny Thomas for Rasho (works on trade checker) and use the MLE to possibly get another PF.
 
kingsofnba said:
for some reason, i think petrie may have his eyes set on a center intead of a power forward, opposite of what everyone is thinking... i think the kings may be adverse to using the full MLE on any one player, so i think that petrie is thinking trade more than FA signing... rasho nesterovic seems to fit the bill for the kings... a rebounder and shot blocker at the center position and move brad miller to power forward.... i think rasho could be had for Brian Skinner (or corliss) and a sign and traded mo evans....

Kings would have alot of size on the front line, but won't be very athletic....

PF Brad Miller/ Thomas
SF Peja Stojokovic/ Williamson
C Rasho Nesterovic/ FA (Hunter?)
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ (FA House?)
Scary thought! While I was playing NBA 2k5 during the season mode with the Knicks (don't ask), and the Kings made a trade for Rasho. Was it a sign of things to come?
 
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Do the Spurs have the MLE left after signing Oberto? That alone could be enough to make it necessary to sign and trade Evans. Evans+? for Rasho would be ok in my book.

Brad/Rasho/Thomas/(MLE big man: Hunter?) and we're suddenly BIG again!
 
How bout Williamson and Thomas for Al Harrington? Per realgm it will work, 2509610. He has a lot of upside and with the Hawks drafting Williams, he could be on his way out. He and Bonzi can also use up minutes at SF when Peja needs a blow.
Then throwing Zaza Pachulia a part of the MLE along with Robert Traylor. I like Pachulia, he has a decent post up game and a rebouning nose. With decent minutes I think he could be at least a 12ppg 8rpg and could be played with Miller sliding Brad to play PF for stints. I also am big on "Tractor" Traylor, would bring great energy off the bench and a very phyical force inside with a soft touch. Both players could play C/PF. Bring back Barnes and Songila and we are a well balanced team.

PG- Bibby, Hart
SG- Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF- Peja, Barnes
PF- Harrington, Songila, Traylor
C- Miller, Skinner, Pachulia
 
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Squad907 said:
How bout Williamson and Thomas for Al Harrington? Per realgm it will work, 2509610. He has a lot of upside and with the Hawks drafting Williams, he could be on his way out. He and Bonzi can also use up minutes at SF when Peja needs a blow.
Then throwing Zaza Pachulia a part of the MLE along with Robert Traylor. I like Pachulia, he has a decent post up game and a rebouning nose. With decent minutes I think he could be at least a 12ppg 8rpg and could be played with Miller sliding Brad to play PF for stints. I also am big on "Tractor" Traylor, would bring great energy off the bench and a very phyical force inside with a soft touch. Both players could play C/PF. Bring back Barnes and Songila and we are a well balanced team.

PG- Bibby, Hart
SG- Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF- Peja, Barnes
PF- Harrington, Songila, Traylor
C- Miller, Skinner, Pachulia
You just can't be a great team with Al Harrington as your starting PF. He's got talent, but no position. And if he did have one, it would probably be SF. As a PF he's a poor rebounder, non-existent shotblocker, and in general soft.
 
Here we go...

Sacramento trades Corliss Williamson and Kenny Thomas to the Charlotte Bobcats. Bobcats signa and trade Brevin Knight to Utah, who send Carlos Boozer to Sacramento. Can't check it, because Knight is a FA and so his salary is obviously unknown. Charlotte probably needs to send filler out to make this trade work, or someone needs to throw in an exemption. Some picks also go to Charlotte to make this trade work.

Why they do it:
Sacramento: duh. pow-wah fowuhd.
Utah: they were rumored to be shopping Boozer a while ago and were looking for a PG in return. The Jazz are pursuing Jaric, but they can't be too hopeful with him being restricted and the Clippers wanting to keep him. They want Knight. This trade makes sense for them.
Charlotte:this is the tough end. They want to keep Knight, but he is an unrestricted FA and may want to play elsewhere. This trade works on the assumption that Knight gets close to walking, and the Cats do this to get something in return. Corliss and Thomas aren't bad, and I'm assuming they also recieve 2 future picks from Sac and or Utah, maybe one first, one second, or two first. If negotiations with Knight go south, this trade goes through.

Sacramento comes out like so:
PG:Bibby
SG:Wells
SF:peja
PF:Boozer
C:Miller
Bench:Hart, Garcia, Martin, Songaila, Skinner, Barnes?

Allows us to get Songaila, obviously. I like this a lot. Can score many different ways, good rebounder, good hands, good defender. What's not to like? On the downside, this might also require that we send something else to Utah, maybe Skinner, someone else, picks, cash, something. But I get the feeling that if everything goes the right way in Charlotte this trade could possibly occur.
 

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Uh...sorry to say but this trade does NOT make sense for Utah. :p


Shopping Boozer is one thing. Trading him for Brevin Knight quite another.:eek:

In any case, with Charlotte just trading their other PG to us, you would have to assume that they are planning on bring ing back Brevin now and just didn't need the third PG.
 
I know Charlotte wants to bring Knight back, which is why I said this trade is contingent on the contract negotiations breaking down. Some stories out of Utah have indicated that they will part with Boozer for a PG, and Knight is a good option. Granted, we will probably have to give them something else, too. Probably just a pipe dream actually, but I can wish.
 
captain bill said:
I know Charlotte wants to bring Knight back, which is why I said this trade is contingent on the contract negotiations breaking down. Some stories out of Utah have indicated that they will part with Boozer for a PG, and Knight is a good option. Granted, we will probably have to give them something else, too. Probably just a pipe dream actually, but I can wish.
Pipe dream indeed, the Jazz just drafted Williams and they would love to have a veteran point guard to tutor him, but not at the cost of Boozer.
 

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In the interest of grand and never-happening KG scenarios, I now present to you something I kind of first suggested before the offseason had even begun, but only fully fleshed out after we got Bonzi.

Without further ado, THE blockbuster which kind of/almost fills each team's needs:

Sacto out:
Peja $7.6
Brad $8.8
KT $6.1
Kevin $0.9
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$23.4mil

Sacto in:
KG $18.0
Harpring $4.5
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$22.5mil

Minnesota out:
KG $18.0
Wally $10.0
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$28.0mil

Minnesota in:
Peja $7.6
Miller $8.8
Boozer $11.6
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$28.0mil

Utah out:
Boozer $11.6
Harpring $4.5
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$16.1mil

Utah in:
Wally $10.0
KT $6.1
Kevin $0.9
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$17.0mil

And somebody, or maybe both, throws in a pick for Utah as well (as they do get an OG prospect but are rid of the Boozer monster deal only to get back Wally's monster deal). Alternately Utah could make it into a pure salary dump and take back ending contracts (Cassel, Kandiman) in lieu of Wally, just take the cheaper PF and the propect at OG, along with the cap room. Minneosta gets rid of Wally's deal, or two cancers int he alternate, and gets an entire frontline....of guys stuck to the floor. :) Oh well. Fresh blood up there. Meanwhile we end up fielding this VERY serious tough and defensive minded bunch, with offense still to spare:

C- Skinner
PF- KG
SF- Harpring
OG- Wells
PG- Bibby

Bench - Hart, Garcia, Songaila (resign), Barnes, Corliss (trade bait). Then use the MLE to sign...pick your player. I might vote Griffin for frontcourt depth. Or bring back Mo. And need to find a true center for backup minutes. Not a great bench, but maybe good enough with those starters. Potentially better than the best record in the West Minnesota team a couple of years back.
 
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Bricklayer said:
C- Skinner
PF- KG
SF- Harpring
OG- Wells
PG- Bibby

Bench - Hart, Garcia, Songaila (resign), Barnes, Corliss (trade bait). Then use the MLE to sign...pick your player. I might vote Griffin for frontcourt depth. Or bring back Mo. And need to find a true center for backup minutes. Not a great bench, but maybe good enough with those starters. Potentially better than the best record in the West Minnesota team a couple of years back.
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Bricklayer said:
In the interest of grand and never-happening KG scenarios, I now present to you something I kind of first suggested before the offseason had even begun, but only fully fleshed out after we got Bonzi.

Without further ado, THE blockbuster which kind of/almost fills each team's needs:

Sacto out:
Peja $7.6
Brad $8.8
KT $6.1
Kevin $0.9
----------
$23.4mil

Sacto in:
KG $18.0
Harpring $4.5
-----------
$22.5mil

Minnesota out:
KG $18.0
Wally $10.0
-----------
$28.0mil

Minnesota in:
Peja $7.6
Miller $8.8
Boozer $11.6
------------
$28.0mil

Utah out:
Boozer $11.6
Harpring $4.5
------------
$16.1mil

Utah in:
Wally $10.0
KT $6.1
Kevin $0.9
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$17.0mil

And somebody, or maybe both, throws in a pick for Utah as well (as they do get an OG prospect but are rid of the Boozer monster deal only to get back Wally's monster deal). Alternately Utah could make it into a pure salary dump and take back ending contracts (Cassel, Kandiman) in lieu of Wally, just take the cheaper PF and the propect at OG, along with the cap room. Minneosta gets rid of Wally's deal, or two cancers int he alternate, and gets an entire frontline....of guys stuck to the floor. :) Oh well. Fresh blood up there. Meanwhile we end up fielding this VERY serious tough and defensive minded bunch, with offense still to spare:

C- Skinner
PF- KG
SF- Harpring
OG- Wells
PG- Bibby

Bench - Hart, Garcia, Songaila (resign), Barnes, Corliss (trade bait). Then use the MLE to sign...pick your player. I might vote Griffin for frontcourt depth. Or bring back Mo. And need to find a true center for backup minutes. Not a great bench, but maybe good enough with those starters. Potentially better than the best record in the West Minnesota team a couple of years back.
Looks BAD. VERY BAD for Utah. The Kings and Twolves would have to throw in 1st rounders, but I don't think that would be enough. The Wolves are garunteed in the playoffs and so are the Kings.

I dare you to go post this trade on realgm.com. Actually is one of the better ones I have seen, but noway Utah fans for for this.
 
nbrans said:
First round and out. Skinner at center? Songaila as a backup power forward? Matt Harpring as your small forward?

I'd be as thrilled as anyone to see KG on the Kings, but if he couldn't win with Cassell, Sprewell and Rasho playing about as well as they have their respective careers then he's not going to win with Bibby, Bonzi Wells and very, very mediocre change.

KG's good, but he's not worth Peja and Brad Miller combined.
Actually I think Brick put together a very good team. Bibby, Wells, Harpring, KG, and Skinner is very orderly. Everyone has their role on the team and the combined talents could work very well together.
 
SacTownKid said:
Actually I think Brick put together a very good team. Bibby, Wells, Harpring, KG, and Skinner is very orderly. Everyone has their role on the team and the combined talents could work very well together.
Yeah, I deleted my post because I had second thoughts. It's a good team. I don't know if it's a championship team. I still am dubious that trading Peja AND Miller AND Thomas for KG and Harpring leaves the Kings better off than before. KG is a great player, Harpring is a good, injury-prone defender, but I just don't see how that team is better than the Minnesota team a few years ago. It's a team that's one key injury away from lottery land and it leaves the Kings without any tradable assets or much cap room.

Bringing KG to the Kings would be great, I'm just not sure he's worth trading half of the franchise.
 
nbrans said:
Yeah, I deleted my post because I had second thoughts. It's a good team. I don't know if it's a championship team. I still am dubious that trading Peja AND Miller AND Thomas for KG and Harpring leaves the Kings better off than before. KG is a great player, Harpring is a good, injury-prone defender, but I just don't see how that team is better than the Minnesota team a few years ago. It's a team that's one key injury away from lottery land and it leaves the Kings without any tradable assets or much cap room.

Bringing KG to the Kings would be great, I'm just not sure he's worth trading half of the franchise.
I totally see your point and would probably agree with you.