OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

I would hate to see Kevin go, thats for sure, but he would have to be considered an interesting piece in a trade for another team. Glad I am not the GM, that would be a tough one.
 
Probably VERY unlikely to happen but what about

Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson to New Orleans
Jamaal Magloire and George Lynch to Sacramento
 
Most of these VERY unlikely trades we come up with around here work out very unblanced in our favor, so I'm pretty much always game. :p
 
Bibby to Atlanta for their SF and maybe pg followed by signing/trading for one or two third string pgs. That's something that wouldn't surprise me. Also another move would be to release KT. Cost cutting all the way!
 
outsider62 said:
Bibby to Atlanta for their SF and maybe pg followed by signing/trading for one or two third string pgs. That's something that wouldn't surprise me. Also another move would be to release KT. Cost cutting all the way!
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um...??? :confused:
 
outsider62 said:
Bibby to Atlanta for their SF and maybe pg followed by signing/trading for one or two third string pgs. That's something that wouldn't surprise me. Also another move would be to release KT. Cost cutting all the way!
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Explain how releasing KT would be cost cutting? Also, trading your starting PG for another SF- a backup basically- is dumb. That’s giving up way too much. As long as Peja is here there won't be enough minutes, and that swing man role looks set with Wells, and the kids.
 
:)
... that leads to lottery pick next year with huge statistical production by Brad, Peja an Wells. We have Bird rights to two borderline stars so we may be ready to aquire real superstar via S&T.





Not really, you can't ever count on it and Petrie doesn't gamble.
 
Packt said:
Explain how releasing KT would be cost cutting? Also, trading your starting PG for another SF- a backup basically- is dumb. That’s giving up way too much. As long as Peja is here there won't be enough minutes, and that swing man role looks set with Wells, and the kids.
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About releasing KT, it's Alan Houston rule. It doesn't affect salary cup but saves luxory penalty. And it would be attempt to suck for a year, inflate starters statistics and then use them and lottery pick as a trade chps.
 
But the point is, his money would still be on the books affecting our salary cap. It saves the owners some of the luxary penalty they pay for being over the cap, but it doesn't help the team sign more free agents and Kenny Thomas is on the books for 5 more seasons. If you waive him, there's no chance of trading him ever and getting that salary off the books. Your salary cap is effectively 6-8 million less than everyone else's for the next 5 years.
 
hrdboild said:
But the point is, his money would still be on the books affecting our salary cap. It saves the owners some of the luxary penalty they pay for being over the cap, but it doesn't help the team sign more free agents and Kenny Thomas is on the books for 5 more seasons. If you waive him, there's no chance of trading him ever and getting that salary off the books. Your salary cap is effectively 6-8 million less than everyone else's for the next 5 years.
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Exactly. There really is no reason to release any player under that amnesty clause who has trade value, except as a way to line the owners' pockets. But from a basketball/salasry cap perspective, not only is it worthless, it actually HURTS you because instead of having an asset eating up that cap room/money, it instead becomes dead money of which you have no way of ever being free.
 
outsider62 said:
:)
... that leads to lottery pick next year with huge statistical production by Brad, Peja an Wells. We have Bird rights to two borderline stars so we may be ready to aquire real superstar via S&T.





Not really, you can't ever count on it and Petrie doesn't gamble.
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The draft next year is suppose to be very weak, and Bibby is only 27 years old. Trading Bibby for another small foward when we already have Peja isn't a gamble, it's pretty stupid.
 
Bricklayer said:
Exactly. There really is no reason to release any player under that amnesty clause who has trade value, except as a way to line the owners' pockets. But from a basketball/salasry cap perspective, not only is it worthless, it actually HURTS you because instead of having an asset eating up that cap room/money, it instead becomes dead money of which you have no way of ever being free.
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Owners may find that to be pretty good reason. I must admit that I tried to put myself in their situation and I can't decide if I would actually do it, because of all reasons you mentioned.
 
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mbkings10 said:
The draft next year is suppose to be very weak, and Bibby is only 27 years old. Trading Bibby for another small foward when we already have Peja isn't a gamble, it's pretty stupid.
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No it is not, if the goal is not to be successfull this year. Bibby will be overpaid no defense pg next 4 or 5 years (I don't know). We can unload him to team bellow cap and not receive the same amount back. It doesn't really matter who would come from Atlanta. I said SF because they are looking to trade one. And Peja may be traded this year too or he may walk next year. The logic here is similar to one behind CWeb trade, trade one big contract for more smaller (in this case for one smaller).
I know that Bibby is healthy and he can play, but IMO his refusal to play any defense hurt us more then his clutch shooting helps. I just think there is the same probability that Peja will become clutch as Bibby starting to play defense. When I think more about our core, I like Brad most. His passing skills from high post are not replacable unless we somehow land Yao.
 
I'm just going to sya this one mroe time - but the Kings are NOT going to be dumping any of their players for cap room ro whatnot. That's just silly. And if anybody is sitting around waiting for it to happen, they are going to have a long long wait.

If anything, the Bonzi move indicates that Petrie is serious about trying to scrabble something together to get back into the mix next year rather than rebuilding with youth, let alone "rebuilding" by throwing away talented pieces for nothing so as to secure our spot in the loterry for the next 10 years.
 
outsider62 said:
No it is not, if the goal is not to be successfull this year. Bibby will be overpaid no defense pg next 4 or 5 years (I don't know). We can unload him to team bellow cap and not receive the same amount back. It doesn't really matter who would come from Atlanta. I said SF because they are looking to trade one. And Peja may be traded this year too or he may walk next year. The logic here is similar to one behind CWeb trade, trade one big contract for more smaller (in this case for one smaller).
I know that Bibby is healthy and he can play, but IMO his refusal to play any defense hurt us more then his clutch shooting helps. I just think there is the same probability that Peja will become clutch as Bibby starting to play defense. When I think more about our core, I like Brad most. His passing skills from high post are not replacable unless we somehow land Yao.
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Your plan makes some sense if you're looking to rebuild from the scratch and clear cap room (by trading Bibby and KT and letting go of Pedja) for 2006/07 FA season when Amare and Yao will be free agents. But we'd have nothing to compliment any of the great FA's in that year, unlike the Lakers who will be under cap, still have Kobe and all that alure of the "showtime".

Clearly, this team has been previously built on trades (Webber, Bibby,Miller etc.) in contrast to just one major FA (Divac) and just one draft pick that worked out well (Pedja). Reality is that that is the only way this team will be rebuilt - trades and hopefully draft pick(s) will work out here and there as we cannot get any free agents any time soon.
 
I agree that direction looks more probable. Is it better? You are entitled to your opinion and I am not quite sure. I think having Peja and Wells and two lottery picks next year may help acquiring real talents next season.

Anyway, when I think more about that I believe there is no way Petrie is going to go in that direction.
 
Theo Ratliff

Theo Ratliff is a name that is floating around as on the trading block... he is an athletic shot blocker and defender, decent rebounder, but not much offensively... he is the best shot blocker in the nba...

i think with the bonzi wells trade, the kings have more than enough offense in the starting line up, so what they need is someone who can defend the lane and block the shots of people who get past bibby and the others... he would be our defensive glue, ala doug christie was before....

he is 32 years old and will be making $11.6 mil per year with 3 years left.... now if petrie can swing a deal with any combonation of two players from Thomas, Williamson or Skinner for Ratliff.... preferably send them Thomas and Williamson for Ratliff....

The kings would have a well balanced team....

PF Ratliff / FA (Songaila)
SF Peja / FA (Evans or Barnes)
C Miller / Skinner
SG Wells / Martin / Garica
PG Bibby/ FA (House)
 
outsider62 said:
Yes, it would be great, but how it is from Portland's point of view?
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i think portland would be open to a trade of ratliff, since they said they won't just release/amenesty him... but i think they would be more open to a trade for Skinner and Corliss, since they are trying to trim payroll, these two have only 2 years on their contract, as opposed to thomas 5 years remaining... and skinner would give them a backup center for cheaper...

that being said, a Skinner and Corliss for Ratliff would still be okay for me... i think that Thomas, if he accepts the role, could be a 6th man of the year canidate off the bench... then i would sign hunter to backup Center...
 
Ratliff on the team would be sweet. He'd be a player that brings what we need, and have been missing since Keon Clark, and for a month, Brian Skinner. But who knows if Skinner is back next season. We'd have two ex-King killers! :)

Thomas coming off the bench would be great, but I don't see it happening...

Hunter as back-up center would be good, gives us youth/athleticism/defense off the bench.
 
This has already been discussed for quite a while in the trades thread... Because of that, I'm merging the threads.
 
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There was another thread that was made and I am sure that it is going to get locked so I wanted to bring this back up. Also, with all the talk about bringing DC back I thought I would update a depth chart.

PG - Bibby, Christie
SG - Wells, Garcia, Martin
SF - Stojakovic, Barnes
PF - Ratliff, Skinner
C - Miller, Skinner


We trade Big Nasty and KT for Ratliff (if not straight out then in a 3 way), sign DC (ONLY if for vets min), give Barnes a little contract and sign some back up big men (not sure how to fulfill that part). Peja gets more points because of DC always finding him and our defense would be buffed up with DC and Ratliff leading the way.
 
we definitely have to explore an option of getting rasho from sas via trade (he costs more than MLE) but do we have anything that sas need?....corlss + mo sign and trade?...rasho is not athletic (brick) but he is decent rebounder and shoot blocker
 
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